Debate Jade Philosophies on the age of consent - We've got a live one

[Kiwisee]

Historically, pairings of women as young as 12 and men as old as their mid-20s were very common

First of all, Medieval marriage records say otherwise. The common ages of partners was 17-19 respectively among working class people. Contrary to your popular pro-pedo talking points, any adult man marrying a child was still frowned upon.

Kids who did get married typically were only married at 14 to 16-17 year olds the majority of the time. Quit taking your history lessons from Game of Thrones and other pedo fantasy writers like Marion Bradley Zimmer.

Do you wanna know where such pairings were common, though?

In countries that were uncivilized and full of people with niggerish impulses. Like India and Pakistan, for example; where high pedophilia rates. Almost like pedophilia is the reason why shithole societies can’t advance.

Also, “muh history” isn’t an argument in favor of pedophilia if that’s what you were hoping for. People used to treat diseases with leeches and dump their shit out of windows and onto cobblestone walkways. Does that mean we should do those as well?

Neck yourself, pedo apologist. We don’t like pedophiles here.

 

[Justa Grata Honoria]

@Jade Philosophies are you British, Muslim or both?

Worse may Allah forgive me middle aged man. Its always the same middle aged men pissed at the fact that they aren't allowed to groom teens . They also blame feminists for this even though throughout history there were laws were women weren't allowed to marry until age of 20 without parental consent for this same reason. See victorian england . Very feminists historical period lol.
Also see @Norbert the Tiger

 

[Jade Philosophies]

@Jade Philosophies are you British, Muslim or both?

I'm British, not a muslim and grew up in an age when young adults were mostly treated as young adults not little babies. I'm not going to change the views I've had since the 80s, and which most people had back then, just because a bunch of retards brainwashed by feminism had a tantrum on a forum and acted like SJWs to cancel me for not having their beyond-puritanical sub-boomer-tier views.

There was a documentary series in the UK in the 80s called 16 Up (not to be confused with the other "Up" documentary shows that followed people throughout the decades as they grew up starting with "7 Up") where they would talk to 16 year olds each week about various aspects of life. Here is an episode where they talk about relationships. It's not totally representative of 16 year olds in the UK in the 80s, and not where I lived, as they're from Depford in London so quite "common" as people would say. With the "Awight mayte!" sort of accent. (Not quite cockney, more lax than that.) But it gives you a general idea of 16 year old young adults in the 80s (and 90s, but different fashion then obviously) at least. Ignore the first 90 seconds, you'll understand when that part is finished.

 

[Kiwisee]

I'm British, not a muslim and grew up in an age when young adults were mostly treated as young adults not little babies. I'm not going to change the views I've had since the 80s, and which most people had back then, just because a bunch of retards brainwashed by feminism had a tantrum on a forum and acted like SJWs to cancel me for not having their beyond-puritanical sub-boomer-tier views.

That’s a lot of words for “I’m a groomer”.

 

[Justa Grata Honoria]

That’s a lot of words for “I’m a groomer”.

A lot of words for i am being called a creep on the regular for hitting on women who can be your granddaughters. Creepy old men i swear.

 

[CallmeCicada]

British

It shows.

just because a bunch of retards brainwashed by feminism had a tantrum on a forum and acted like SJWs to cancel me for not having their beyond-puritanical sub-boomer-tier views.

Lot of words to say, you said something in a retarded way then flip out like a deranged chimp. Typical lying birtoid behavior.

Glad you cooled off a bit. Screeching like a dumbass earrns you nothing but making me want to fuck with you.

Also your video proves nothing. I can bearly understand these mush mouthed bongs.

Also, “muh history” isn’t an argument in favor of pedophilia if that’s what you were hoping for.

Maybe we should bring back the practice of leave the mentally handicapped and disabled children to die in the forest back too. Lucky for him we don't and he gets to waste our time reading his bullshit he read on Reddit or discord. IDK where the fuck people get this idea from, Hollywood maybe?

Nigger needs to read a book or a suicide pamphlet.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

I mean, he isn't completely wrong. What do you guys think Quinceañeras and Sweet Sixteens originally were? It was all about setting up underage girls to marry (and have sex) with guys who were usually significantly older, because those were one the ones with money and status.

Unfortunately, our species evolved to desire strength and resources in men and youth and fertility in women. Historically, pairings of women as young as 12 and men as old as their mid-20s were very common. As time went by, the age gap of couples got progressively smaller and people now can be involved in more mature and healthy relationships, but that wasn't the norm before the 21st century, so our brains still operate under that logic.

Many people who say they would never find a minor attractive (even if they wouldn't have sex with them) are lying.

Oh, boy! Two for one!

 

[The Last Stand]

Goddamn what's happening in here

Britney Spears is used as a proxy to justify age of consent attractiveness.

 

[Dyn]

Personally, I think it's morally suspect to want to fuck children. In fact, I'll go a step further and say I think it's morally bad.

 

[JamusActimus]

How mentally stunned do you have to be to be okay with marrying a 12 year old?

 

[CallmeCicada]

Personally, I think it's morally suspect to want to fuck children. In fact, I'll go a step further and say I think it's morally bad.

How mentally stunned do you have to be to be okay with marrying a 12 year old?

You have to at least be British.

 

[Meyer Harris Cohen]

Don't know if this is the right place to ask.
What might happen if two minors under the age of consent have relations? No web search has been able to answer this satisfactorily.

 

[Kiwisee]

Don't know if this is the right place to ask.
What might happen if two minors under the age of consent have relations? No web search has been able to answer this satisfactorily.

The AOC laws were put into place so that an 18 year old wouldn’t be labelled as a sex offender for having a 16 year old partner.

Plus there’s Romeo and Juliet laws, AKA “reasonable age gaps”.

 

[Toji Suzuhara]

You have to at least be British.

Peer-reviewed sources confirm this

At age twelve Margaret [Beaufort] married Edmund Tudor, twelve years her senior, on 1 November 1455. The Wars of the Roses had just broken out. Edmund, a Lancastrian, was taken prisoner by Yorkist forces less than a year later. He died of the plague in captivity at Carmarthen on 3 November 1456, leaving a 13-year-old widow who was pregnant with their child.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Margaret_Beaufort

Also, she became infertile due to the complications caused by giving birth at such a young age, so that's another reason as to why the "but the people in the middle ages married 12yo girls!" cope is fucking stupid

 

[The Last Stand]

He's kind of right. American Beauty was produced and explores this phenomenon because it was a talking point back then. Plus you have dated skits like this:

Dude, what?

I can name women in their 20s-30s from the 20th century that aged better than Britney Spears in her heyday.

 

[Luke-Warm Tampon Tea]

There are some facts being discussed. Certainly most people are aware that the legal age of consent in most of Europe and basically every country other than the USA is 16.
Can we agree that "underage" means "below the age of consent" and if the age of consent is 16 then "underage" would be 15 years old or lower in countries like Finland, or 14 years old or younger in Sweden.

This being said.

There is a debate to be had about ethics vs the letter of the law.

While a 15 year old is legally "of age" in Sweden, and a 16 year old is legally "of age" in Finland
Ethically it is still extremely suspect for a man in his 30s to date a 15 year old in Sweden. It would be unethical for a 35+ year old man to date a 16 year old in Finland even if it's not prohibited by law.

On one level one could argue that 16-18 makes having healthy children, but medical technology kind of negates this fact.
Maybe if you're a farmer who can feed a very large family there is a benefit if you want to maximize the number of children you can have by 1-2.

But we're not talking about courtship, or bonding, or marriage, or fidelity or love. We're talking about degenerates trying to fuck girls under 18.

Of course, there is always going to be an undercurrent of haggery in these sorts of topics and simps who advocate on behalf of these hags who simply hate the idea of men being allowed to date girls who have what they've lost to time and experience.

So just to be clear, I'm not for raising the age of consent to something autistic like 21 or 25 or instituting legislation that says you can only date people X number of years apart from yourself mainly because I find it funny when hags kill themselves at 45 because no one wants them.

That being said. There clearly needs to be a consensus reached on how old is old enough. There's such a wide range of age of consent laws across the western world. Do Swedes mature faster than Fins? The AOC in France is also 15 but the age of consent in Britain is 16. Do the French mature faster?
I think not.
The age of consent isn't necessarily arbitrary but I think that different countries set the age of consent for various reasons.
I think America's AOC being 18 has a lot to do with the private prison industry more than protecting 17 year olds from horny 20 year olds.
I think the French and Swedes have similarly set the ages of consent lower for the exact opposite reason, because they don't want to spend money on prisons to house people for fucking people who should really honestly know whether or not they want to do what they're doing at that age.

I'm sure very few people will agree with me on any of this but I'm also no emotionally possessed with the spirit of puritanism that exists in the American psyche. I had my driver's license at 15. If society trusts me to operate a 2 tonne killing machine (if handled improperly) at that age, I assume I should have been old enough to decide where I wanted to stick my PP. At the same time, there are risks associated with sexual activity which may require a more mature temperament to evaluate the risk/reward matter, and yet the AOC in my country is 16. Here, a 16 year old could fuck a 45 year old if they wanted to and no one could stop them.

Of course I also think about how utterly retarded most people are in general. How many stupid women in their 20s are getting pregnant from drunken 1 night stands. Is it right to criminalize drunken sex because of some autistic view of consent?

The matter is extremely complex and there are many issues to account for.
The law can only attempt to protect society the best of it's capacity based on what society agrees ought and ought not be legal.

There's a wide range of ages of consent, ranging from 11 in Nigeria to Bahrain at 21. I think both extremes of the spectrum are inappropriate for different reasons, but actually putting a definitive age on sexual maturity is very difficult. 11 is retarded, Nigeria should be nuked from orbit, but going to jail for fucking a 20 year old is also fucking retarded. Should a person go to jail for having sex with a 18 year old? Or a 17 year old? or a 16 year old? I think probably not, but I definitely think that Sweden and France are a year too low. 15 seems too young to me but I also don't really see a problem with 16 or 17, or really 18 even though I don't think a 22 year old should get buttfucked in prison for dating a 16 or 17 year old

It's all extremely complex.

Also
I didn't read the thread because I assume that OP is a fucking sped and I assume most people are moral grandstanding for upcummies instead of being objective.

 

[Kiwisee]

I didn't read the thread because I assume that OP is a fucking sped and I assume most people are moral grandstanding for upcummies instead of being objective.

Anyone who argues on behalf of old men being creepy to kids, while claiming not to be emotionally invested in this topic, is a groomer trying to cover themselves.

I saw you trying to say that jerking it to cartoon kids isn’t pedophilia in another thread, so I’m not surprised you’re also defending pedophilia.

 

[Luke-Warm Tampon Tea]

Anyone who argues on behalf of old men being creepy to kids, while claiming not to be emotionally invested in this topic, is a groomer trying to cover themselves.

I saw you trying to say that jerking it to cartoon kids isn’t pedophilia in another thread, so I’m not surprised you’re also defending pedophilia.

25+ year old hands covered in cat hair typed this.

 

[Toji Suzuhara]

25+ year old hands covered in cat hair typed this.

Are you even young enough to be able to call 25+ year olds old?

 

[Luke-Warm Tampon Tea]

Are you even young enough to be able to call 25+ year olds old?

Unmarried women over 35 are useless, unmarried women over 25 are old. The Chinese call them Shondu. Leftover women.
Who would willingly work 10-15 years to be successful just to share all that work with some dead-egger who can, at best, give him one or two future kiwifarms posters.