Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

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Well the next variables are.

1. how much ATACMs can get produced?
2. How much will be given in 2 months assuming Trump puts a halt?
3. What air defenses are present in density?
4. Time period of when deliveries will happen? The longer it drags the more effective Russian air defenses would be giving more time for interceptions depending on the gains they make on Ukraine for each day.

Only countermeasures now is probably increased drone surveillance with satellite imagery to target MLRS systems before they strike and maybe a more denser air defense network than before that allowed some of their air defense launchers to get destroyed by barrages of missiles.
 
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Feline Supremacist said:
Ukrainian zhids, not even once.

They can go through the Takla Makkan and Northern Burma using our Karen/Kachin proxies.

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I'm not saying the US can, because in our current form it cannot but a fully functioning and provisioned army with a solid plan and the logistics to carry it out could. The border Afghanistan shares with China is one reason we held onto it for so long. It also why we cultivated the Uyghurs in whose province the border is situated.
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"Let's just invade through the mountains and deserts, with a supply line longer than the width of Europe."
Last I checked you didn't have Hannibal Barka on your roster of generals.
 
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Susanna said:
"Let's just invade through the mountains and deserts, with a supply line longer than the width of Europe."
Last I checked you didn't have Hannibal Barka on your roster of generals.
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I did point out we can't do it especially with the loss of Afghanistan but I can guarantee you there is at least one Pentagon retard that will claim it's a brilliant plan because we won with desert warfare in Iraq and Afghanistan (we didn't but that's the fictional belief that abound among neocons-some would even call it delusional ).

Tha Takla Makkan is nothing like a Middle Eastern desert btw but I mean we're talking about the US military, which allow men that pretend to be women into the ranks.

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how much ATACMs can get produced?
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Those have a range of about 300 km so uh sure go for it
 
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I'll say it again: So far, Russia has been holding back on direct attacks on heavily populated cities, trying to avoid civillian casualties.

I have a feeling that if the Ukies start lobbing missiles deep into Russia, that will quickly change.

Zelinsky wants this, so he can roll out pictures of dead Ukie civillians to try and guilt more support.
 
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Echo_Doge said:
I'll say it again: So far, Russia has been holding back on direct attacks on heavily populated cities, trying to avoid civillian casualties.

I have a feeling that if the Ukies start lobbing missiles deep into Russia, that will quickly change.

Zelinsky wants this, so he can roll out pictures of dead Ukie civillians to try and guilt more support.
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Targeting Ukrainians won't solve a damn thing. Ze will gladly kill the entire Ukrainians population before stopping any attacks into Russia.. The only way this stops if Putin orders strikes on NATO bases with a treat and if must follow up by tactical nukes.
 
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Rubick said:
Targeting Ukrainians won't solve a damn thing. Ze will gladly kill the entire Ukrainians population before stopping any attacks into Russia.. The only way this stops if Putin orders strikes on NATO bases with a treat and if must follow up by tactical nukes.
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They don't need to do that. All they need to do is strike the next Euro delegation to Ukraine. For some reason, they can't help but go visit Keef every other month.
For extra lulz, they ought to target Finns or Swedes.
 
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To be completely clear for readers who don't understand this - those missiles can't be used without us. Those long-range missiles use information from our satellites, they hone in on their targets using our GPS, with targeting coordinates supplied by us and they are launched with our launch codes that we supply. These are not weapons that we hand to Kiev and wash our hands of and say "oh, it was their decision."

The fact that we put a Ukranian soldier as one small component in the chain of events to push the physical button means nothing at the end of the day. It's a technicality valued only by lawyers and lawyers have power only over ordinary citizens, not foreign powers. If those missiles strike anywhere within Russia, that is a choice our leaders made. Not Kiev.
 
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Overly Serious said:
To be completely clear for readers who don't understand this - those missiles can't be used without us. Those long-range missiles use information from our satellites, they hone in on their targets using our GPS, with targeting coordinates supplied by us and they are launched with our launch codes that we supply. These are not weapons that we hand to Kiev and wash our hands of and say "oh, it was their decision."

The fact that we put a Ukranian soldier as one small component in the chain of events to push the physical button means nothing at the end of the day. It's a technicality valued only by lawyers and lawyers have power only over ordinary citizens, not foreign powers. If those missiles strike anywhere within Russia, that is a choice our leaders made. Not Kiev.
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They can't be operated without us and this puts Poland in a very precarious position; it's the Ukraine's logistical hub. The US has bases, personnel and the Ukraine's foreign weaponry goes through there.
 
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Ukraine strikes on Russia with US missiles could lead to world war, Russian lawmakers say | Archive
Leonid Slutsky, chairman of the State Duma lower house's foreign affairs committee, said that U.S. authorisation of strikes by Kyiv on Russia with U.S. ATACMS tactical missiles would lead to the toughest response, Russian news agencies reported.
"Strikes with U.S. missiles deep into Russian regions will inevitably entail a serious escalation, which threatens to lead to much more serious consequences," TASS news agency quoted Slutsky as saying.
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lmao this guy's name is Slutsky
 
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I have no idea how NATO thinks WWIII would go.

No nation has a standing army that can challenge Russia, and many have recruiting problems as they have become countries not worth dying for.

NATO equipment puts "quality" over quantity at best and have labyrinth supply chains at worst. By the time they spool up weapons production the war will be lost.

I'm reasonably confident that Russia has the ability to shoot down nukes that target it's cities and has enough for retaliatory strikes.

Starting WWIII just before Trump takes power will make him a hero, as he now has the ability to revitalize the economy with a war economy and has an excuse to push out corruption and the inept. Plus nobody will care about the abortion issue when they are having bomb drills.
 
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Betonhaus said:
I have no idea how NATO thinks WWIII would go.

No nation has a standing army that can challenge Russia, and many have recruiting problems as they have become countries not worth dying for.

NATO equipment puts "quality" over quantity at best and have labyrinth supply chains at worst. By the time they spool up weapons production the war will be lost.

I'm reasonably confident that Russia has the ability to shoot down nukes that target it's cities and has enough for retaliatory strikes.

Starting WWIII just before Trump takes power will make him a hero, as he now has the ability to revitalize the economy with a war economy and has an excuse to push out corruption and the inept. Plus nobody will care about the abortion issue when they are having bomb drills.
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What population in Western Europe would fight in a large scale war? They don’t have an abundance of hardened people like Ukraine does. There are barely any young Germans who aren’t soft rich urbanites, the German working class is largely East European or nonwhite. It’s the same story in Sweden/France/the UK, nobody is willing to die for a post-national liberal society.

NATO is fully aware of this, it’s why they’re fighting to the last Ukrainian. They’re very scared about what could come next.
 
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