Debate Jade Philosophies on the age of consent - We've got a live one

[Tablet County]

The amount of time and energy people have spent trying to get guys to not put their dick into someone is astounding.

Something something Christianity! *rimshot*

 

[The Last Stand]

What do you automatically think when you see a man with a woman who is taller than him?

That they like tall people?

What do you automatically think when you see a relatively decent looking guy with a woman 3 times heavier than him?

That they have low standards?

What do you automatically think when you see a man dating a woman noticeably older than him?

That the man likes older women? That there's some trauma happening?

Arguably decent:
#1: A man looking to marry someone who is still a virgin for religious reasons and wants a more traditional family and many children.

What I hear: "The man wants to groom a child or teenager into marriage since they're too young to fully understand the relationship." Which matches up with those two points you mentioned above it.


Seriously, what is it with Internet oddities that rationalize pedophila with skewed moral dilemmas?

 

[Whatevermancer]

Also also, were the ones who did the study showing child pornography to the participants? Because that's extremely fucked up

I looked it up and CP became illegal in the US only in 1978, 8 years after the study. Also, apparently, photos of naked children(which is what they used in the study) don't always count as child pornography.

which is also somwthing to take into account, how old are the participants?

20 on average.

Because if it's a bunch of guys in their late teens and early 20s it is not abnormal for them to be aroused when looking at teenagers, otherwise it's rather strange

There was also study done by OkCupid, which shows women of what age men tend to prefer. 20 is the default value, but it can go as low as 18.

 

[The Last Stand]

I looked it up and CP became illegal in the US only in 1978, 8 years after the study. Also, apparently, photos of naked children(which is what they used in the study) don't always count as child pornography.

Unrelated note, but I recall two actresses from the 20th century that posed in the nude for photo shoots. Jean Harlow at 18, Betty White at 20, Hedy Lammar at 17-18,respectively. Standards have changed from then and now.

I would classify those as child pornography now since they were very young when they were taken.

 

[Toji Suzuhara]

I looked it up and CP became illegal in the US only in 1978, 8 years after the study.

I don't think that a study from 1986 will help us understand how the people in the present see sexual attraction all that much. But 50% of the participants being attracted to children between 4 and 10 years of age would explain @Jade Philosophies' way of thinking.

Also, apparently, photos of naked children(which is what they used in the study) don't always count as child pornography.

I'd believe that they would have some sort of provocative/arousing element if they were picked to study how arousal works. Altough there's also the fact that researchers can get away with an unbelievable amount of illegal things

 

[Jade Philosophies]

Betty White at 20

I would classify those as child pornography

Considering you're a self-confessed gerontophile and probably a faggot too I'm not surprised.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

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Here it is, folks. He's already sliding down into 14-year-olds being "peak attractiveness" for men. Boy, do I love it when I'm right.

Arguably decent:
#1: A man looking to marry someone who is still a virgin for religious reasons and wants a more traditional family and many children.

So you need to... marry an underage teenager? You can accomplish this by marrying someone your age. Unless, of course, you are already in your late 30's and you spent your entire youth addicted to porn, which would explain why you're defending pedophilia.

I'll say this: from a purely zoological perpective, pubescent teenage girls are likely at their "best" age, as in a natural caveman setting a male is likely to steal away a young girl in her "prime" and groom her into carrying his children.

Incorrect. Teenage pregnancies have all sorts of physical complications because, even though they can get pregnant, their bodies are not always fully developed and prepared to safely give birth. One third of late teenage pregnancies - aged 15-18 - end in C-sections. For women aged 20-39, the rate of C-sections is around 20%.

@Justa Grata Honoria is more or less correct. The prime age for healthy birth is between 20 and 29 years old, going by statistics. Of course, pedophiles and incels don't like statistics which prove they are wrong and, in actuality, disgusting predators.

Considering you're a self-confessed gerontophile and probably a faggot too I'm not surprised.

Considering you're a self-confessed pedophile and probably in possession of literal child pornography, you will probably get raped in an ass by Ahmed pretty soon.

Answer my question: do you own posters of naked 16-year-old UK models from the 80's and 90's?

 

[Toji Suzuhara]

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Do you like anime by any chance?

 

[Luke-Warm Tampon Tea]

Statistically prime age for breeding healthy offspring without killing the mother in the process is between 20 and 35. Teenage mothers have higher chances for complications and their kids have higher chance for autism for some fucking reason.

This is the opposite of true. The odds of autism and other forms of mental retardation increase with age, as well as chromatic mosaicism/down syndrome.

By at 15 a woman has 50-55% of her ovarian reserves left. By age 30 she has only 10% of her ovaries left.

https://www.healthline.com/health/fertility-timeline#Ages-18-to-24

So you need to... marry an underage teenager? You can accomplish this by marrying someone your age. Unless, of course, you are already in your late 30's and you spent your entire youth addicted to porn, which would explain why you're defending pedophilia.

As I said in my first post "underage" relates to ages under the statutory age of consent. If a person is above the age of consent then they're not under age. You keep saying "underage" to sensationalize things, but whether you find it unfortunate or not, in many countries 16 is not "underage", and in some other countries 17 is not "underage"

I'm not going to power level too much because it's fucking retarded to tell people on the details of your life but my preferences are for women between the ages of 18 and 24, I won't date women over the age of 24. I'd strongly prefer to date 18-19 but 24 is my limit. I'm currently engaged to someone who is within my dating range.

 

[Tablet County]

Incorrect. Teenage pregnancies have all sorts of physical complications because, even though they can get pregnant, their bodies are not always fully developed and prepared to safely give birth. One third of late teenage pregnancies - aged 15-18 - end in C-sections. For women aged 20-39, the rate of C-sections is around 20%.

What I mean is actually much more insidious. When I say "best" age in this case I mean that in the eyes of the horny caveman this is the perfect time to take advantage of a weak, easily-molded specimen. Of course, I'm not an anthropologist or anything so I'm kind of talking out of my ass based on what little I know of behavior patterns in chimpanzees and behavior that I have seen online from sex weirdos.

 

[Toji Suzuhara]

By at 15 a woman has 50-55% of her ovarian reserves left. By age 30 she has only 10% of her ovaries left.

Using that logic the prime breeding age is 0, dumbass.

Of course, I'm not an anthropologist or anything so I'm kind of talking out of my ass based on what little I know of behavior patterns in chimpanzees and behavior that I have seen online from sex weirdos.

Chimpanzee's sexual behavior is far more promiscuous and violent than the one humans have. Human sexual behavior is a middle point between gorillas' (very loyal) and chimpanzees' (very disloyal)

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

This is the opposite of true. The odds of autism and other forms of mental retardation increase with age, as well as chromatic mosaicism/down syndrome.
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By at 15 a woman has 50-55% of her ovarian reserves left. By age 30 she has only 10% of her ovaries left.
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https://www.healthline.com/health/fertility-timeline#Ages-18-to-24

As I said in my first post "underage" relates to ages under the statutory age of consent. If a person is above the age of consent then they're not under age. You keep saying "underage" to sensationalize things, but whether you find it unfortunate or not, in many countries 16 is not "underage", and in some other countries 17 is not "underage"

I'm not going to power level but my preferences are for women between the ages of 18 and 24, I won't date women over the age of 24. I'd strongly prefer to date 18-19 but 24 is my limit. I'm currently engaged to someone who is within my dating range.

Considering what you have posted in this thread, your "dating range" is questionable at best.

 

[Luke-Warm Tampon Tea]

That they like tall people?


That they have low standards?


That the man likes older women? That there's some trauma happening?


What I hear: "The man wants to groom a child or teenager into marriage since they're too young to fully understand the relationship." Which matches up with those two points you mentioned above it.


Seriously, what is it with Internet oddities that rationalize pedophila with skewed moral dilemmas?

I fundamentally reject this idea that a person can't understand a relationship at the same age they're expected to understand how not to kill people behind the wheel of a car, at the same age (in most places) where they're allowed to drink alcohol, where they are of the age to enlist in the military, drop out of school, find full time work, etc.

And I would also want to point out that there are many people in their 20s and 30s who are complete fucking retards as well, ideally you wouldn't chose to marry a fucking retard who you wouldn't trust to understand what a relationship is, how to drive a car, or whether or not they want to sign a contract to possibly get exploded in some shithole country for their government.

 

[Tablet County]

As I said in my first post "underage" relates to ages under the statutory age of consent. If a person is above the age of consent then they're not under age. You keep saying "underage" to sensationalize things, but whether you find it unfortunate or not, in many countries 16 is not "underage", and in some other countries 17 is not "underage"

I'm not going to power level but my preferences are for women between the ages of 18 and 24, I won't date women over the age of 24. I'd strongly prefer to date 18-19 but 24 is my limit. I'm currently engaged to someone who is within my dating range.

Look mate I understand the rational explanation and it does make sense, but you seem to be missing the je ne sais quois that most people don't feel the need to justify their age preferences with essays and statistics. At best you have a severe lack of social awareness brought on by autism which confounds your ability to pick up on these social cues. At worst you're a crypto-diddler who feels deeply insecure about his attraction to women of a certain age and overcompensates with overwrought justifications.
I'm leaning toward the former given that KF is a beacon of 'tism and I'm also an optimist.

 

[Whatevermancer]

I don't think that a study from 1986 will help us understand how the people in the present see sexual attraction all that much. But 50% of the participants being attracted to children between 4 and 10 years of age would explain @Jade Philosophies' way of thinking.

The study was in 1970, but it doesn't matter anyway cause it's not about how "people in the present see sexual attraction", but who people are attracted to. And my point is if these studies are to be believed, then the majority of men are pedophiles. Therefore men calling the OP a nonce for acknowledging his attraction to teenage girls are hypocrites.
However, I still disapprove Seinfeld dating a 17 year old, cause if I had a daughter I wouldn't want an older man to take advantage of her.

 

[Toji Suzuhara]

The study was in 1970, but it doesn't matter anyway cause it's not about how "people in the present see sexual attraction", but who people are attracted to. And my point is if these studies are to be believed, then the majority of men are pedophiles. Therefore men calling the OP a nonce for acknowledging his attraction to teenage girls are hypocrites.

The study was done using 20yos, I don't think that we are discussing whether or not it's normal for 20yos to be attracted to teenagers (but the 15% of 20yos that got aroused when seeing male teenagers still feels off to me)

 

[Whatevermancer]

The study was done using 20yos, I don't think that we are discussing whether or not it's normal for 20yos to be attracted to teenagers (but the 15% of 20yos that got aroused when seeing male teenagers still feels off to me)

Yes, and the OkCupid study seems to indicate that male preferences don't change as they age, so if it was morally and legally acceptable, 40 year old men would probably be fucking 14 year old girls.

 

[Luke-Warm Tampon Tea]

Look mate I understand the rational explanation and it does make sense, but you seem to be missing the je ne sais quois that most people don't feel the need to justify their age preferences with essays and statistics.

For most of the world - outside of the USA where a person who is 17 years, 364 days, 23 hours and 58 minutes old is "underage" - this question goes beyond the "je ne sais quios" of the subject being discussed here and speaks to personal autonomy, maturity, information, education, etc. Most people on this site are Americans, with American sensibilities, on top of the fact that a surprising number of posters on this site are older women from America. I don't share the hysteria around the subject because I'm not American. The perspectives I've given, while I've given them in a way that would deliberately provoke the Americans here into sperging out (for my enjoyment) are shared by most of the world.

You could substitute sex for any activity. The drinking age being 21 in America while it's 16-19 in the rest of the developed world or, for example.. Britain and Germany where teenagers age 14-15 can drink beer with their parent's supervision,
or driving a car which is 18 in some states of the USA, but a 15 year old can get a license for a moped in Spain, and 16 year olds can drive motorcycles in Slovenia.
In the UK you can join the military at 16.
Substitute any of these things for the subject, and it's pretty clear that the American tendency is to infantize their young-adult population which maybe why there is this sort of pearlclutching histronics on the topic of sexual autonomy from the American mind, as they don't even trust their young adults to serve in the military at 18 to celebrate not dying with a frosty mug of some beer until they're 21 and this is normal to them, but abnormal for everyone else.

So tl;dr to answer your question, I've been glib about the topic partially because watching americans get angry is funny to me, but I also seriously do believe that there is nothing wrong with a 17 or 18 year old person being given the autonomy over their own choices, whether that's alcohol, or driving, or military service, or marriage, or sexual activity.

So I guess a good question to ask is what is going on in America where young adults can't be trusted the way everyone else on earth can trust their young adults.

 

[Toji Suzuhara]

So tl;dr to answer your question, I've been glib about the topic partially because watching americans get angry is funny to me, but I also seriously do believe that there is nothing wrong with a 17 or 18 year old person being given the autonomy over their own choices, whether that's alcohol, or driving, or military service, or marriage, or sexual activity.

I honestly don't believe that a man your age dating a 17 or 18yo is seen as something normal in your country

 

[Tablet County]

For most of the world - outside of the USA where a person who is 17 years, 364 days, 23 hours and 58 minutes old is "underage" - this question goes beyond the "je ne sais quios" of the subject being discussed here and speaks to personal autonomy, maturity, information, education, etc. Most people on this site are Americans, with American sensibilities, on top of the fact that a surprising number of posters on this site are older women from America. I don't share the hysteria around the subject because I'm not American. The perspectives I've given, while I've given them in a way that would deliberately provoke the Americans here into sperging out (for my enjoyment) are shared by most of the world.

You could substitute sex for any activity. The drinking age being 21 in America while it's 16-19 in the rest of the developed world or, for example.. Britain and Germany where teenagers age 14-15 can drink beer with their parent's supervision,
or driving a car which is 18 in some states of the USA, but a 15 year old can get a license for a moped in Spain, and 16 year olds can drive motorcycles in Slovenia.
In the UK you can join the military at 16.
Substitute any of these things for the subject, and it's pretty clear that the American tendency is to infantize their young-adult population which maybe why there is this sort of pearlclutching histronics on the topic of sexual autonomy from the American mind, as they don't even trust their young adults to serve in the military at 18 to celebrate not dying with a frosty mug of some beer until they're 21 and this is normal to them, but abnormal for everyone else.

So tl;dr to answer your question, I've been glib about the topic partially because watching americans get angry is funny to me, but I also seriously do believe that there is nothing wrong with a 17 or 18 year old person being given the autonomy over their own choices, whether that's alcohol, or driving, or military service, or marriage, or sexual activity.

You could've just said that you were a faggot and been done with it.
Besides, if the rest of the world thought it was okay to all simultaneously walk into the ocean and drown themselves I don't think any amount of glibness will make the US look retarded by comparison.