Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

He has better intel than any of us do
Given the US involvement in Ukraine experiment, he is completely justified in his actions. If anyone still thinks this is RU-UKR war and not RU-US war, just raise your hand.
It's always funny how people like you willingly dismiss Russia's hand in Ukraine, following explicit policy of russification over the last few centuries in attempt to erase Ukraine as a nation to take their land for themselves, which continued under Putin.
Russian glowies were all over Ukraine before US even thought about getting involved. And as far as I'm concerned, it's a fair game for both when it comes to trying to bring independent country to your side. But Putin, despite his "better intel" as you claim, lost that fight and chimped out, leading to the bloodshed we're seeing now.

Russia is not entitled to Ukraine, I couldn't care less about "muh sphere of influence" bullshit. Nuclear weapons prove to be an effective deterrent, and that much was always fucking obvious, it's all simply a justification for Putin to LARP as a great unificator, nothing more. That's also obvious to anyone with at least two brain cells to rub together.
Regardless of the framing, Russia is in the wrong here.
 
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2/8/2023..."US/NATO scuttled early Russia-Ukraine negotiations"...Naftali Bennett & Israeli media had addressed this deliberate mistranslation by Russian State media, saying there hadn't even been a negotiation yet & the discovery of Bucha is what led Ukraine to reject the notion, not US/NATO pressure. But that didn't suit Tulsi's isolationist M.O.
It's gotten to the point where every western zigger is repeating this almost every day. Oh, we could have had peace in Istanbul, but NATO warmongers and the evil dictator Zelenskyy rejected it.

The "peace plan" was essentially surrender and turning Ukraine into a Russian puppet. Among the clauses were that Ukraine's military must be shrunk to the point where it is defenseless, Ukraine must not join any military alliance such as NATO and furthermore must get Russia's permission before accepting any military aid, and Ukraine has to not only give up the contested territory but pay Russia reparations for war damage.

Pro-Russia rightists use this to say peace is completely achievable if the villainous Zelenskyy weren't so pig-headed. That's what they see Trump doing: forcing Ukraine to accept "peace".

Article on peace plan: https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-ukraine-peace-deal-putin-draft-treaty/33183664.html

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Do we have confirmation of this? Normally I don't believe anything till Russia has denied it.

The article says ATACMS missiles hit Bryansk. If this is true, it means they're not just limited to Kursk. But maybe it's only another drone strike, and Russia issued this announcement to whip up World War 3 hysterics in pro-Russia Twitter. You know:
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It's gotten to the point where every western zigger is repeating this almost every day. Oh, we could have had peace in Istanbul, but NATO warmongers and the evil dictator Zelenskyy rejected it.

The "peace plan" was essentially surrender and turning Ukraine into a Russian puppet. Among the clauses were that Ukraine's military must be shrunk to the point where it is defenseless, Ukraine must not join any military alliance such as NATO and furthermore must get Russia's permission before accepting any military aid, and Ukraine has to not only give up the contested territory but pay Russia reparations for war damage.

Pro-Russia rightists use this to say peace is completely achievable if the villainous Zelenskyy weren't so pig-headed. That's what they see Trump doing: forcing Ukraine to accept "peace".

Article on peace plan: https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-ukraine-peace-deal-putin-draft-treaty/33183664.html


Do we have confirmation of this? Normally I don't believe anything till Russia has denied it.

The article says ATACMS missiles hit Bryansk. If this is true, it means they're not just limited to Kursk. But maybe it's only another drone strike, and Russia issued this announcement to whip up World War 3 hysterics in pro-Russia Twitter. You know:
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How much money is Russia sending to Marjorie? Complete and utter horse shit. Dangerous isolationism rhetoric.
 
How much money is Russia sending to Marjorie? Complete and utter horse shit. Dangerous isolationism rhetoric.
This bitch is out of her mind. If they're paying her anything at all, they're not getting their money's worth if that's the best she can come up with. "Muh WWIII" - why the fuck is everyone getting the blame for this mess but the guy that started all this bullshit in the first place?
The Chinese ship, Yipeng 3, associated with the damage to the Finland-Germany cable is being closely followed by Danish Navy vessels.
Earlier this year, another Chinese ship damaged a gas pipeline between Finland and Estonia in the same way.
I have no idea what's going on here. Is it intentional? If so, for what purpose?
 
He has better intel than any of us do
Given the US involvement in Ukraine experiment, he is completely justified in his actions. If anyone still thinks this is RU-UKR war and not RU-US war, just raise your hand.
If America was treating this as a defacto proxy war and not just the half hearted military support of a possible future ally. This war would already be over. The united states has such an enormous budget it could spin up entire factories for shell production the reason us shell production is so slow is because fundamentally the USA is not on a war footing. Even in the Vietnam war the USA produced over 10 million shells a year.
How do you even see where you are going in that moving IED.
 
This bitch is out of her mind. If they're paying her anything at all, they're not getting their money's worth if that's the best she can come up with. "Muh WWIII" - why the fuck is everyone getting the blame for this mess but the guy that started all this bullshit in the first place?

I have no idea what's going on here. Is it intentional? If so, for what purpose?
I've always considered her the republican version of AOC.
 

Jake Sullivan says that weapon systems have no impact on the course of the war in Ukraine, so he sees no issue with the US not providing them. According to him, manpower is the only issue.​


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After all, if 30 tanks and 5 aircraft can't change the course of the war, then nothing can. This reminds of the late stage arguments for not permitting strikes into Russia: If not all targets can be destroyed, then it's not worth destroying any of them.
This ignores the impact on morale of troops being asked to fight without equipment or munitions, as well as the increased losses incurred due to a lack of these things, as well as the effect suffering lower losses has on the Russian army.

He also continues the Biden tactic of pretending European contributions are American ones by claiming for the US the F-16s, which were build in Europe and handed from European air forces to Ukraine.
All the US did was not block the delivery, which I guess we can be grateful for, with people like Sullivan having a word in the matter.
 

Jake Sullivan says that weapon systems have no impact on the course of the war in Ukraine, so he sees no issue with the US not providing them. According to him, manpower is the only issue.​

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After all, if 30 tanks and 5 aircraft can't change the course of the war, then nothing can. This reminds of the late stage arguments for not permitting strikes into Russia: If not all targets can be destroyed, then it's not worth destroying any of them.
This ignores the impact on morale of troops being asked to fight without equipment or munitions, as well as the increased losses incurred due to a lack of these things, as well as the effect suffering lower losses has on the Russian army.

He also continues the Biden tactic of pretending European contributions are American ones by claiming for the US the F-16s, which were build in Europe and handed from European air forces to Ukraine.
All the US did was not block the delivery, which I guess we can be grateful for, with people like Sullivan having a word in the matter.
If they don't matter Jakey boy, why not hand em over anyway? It's school-yard tier rhetoric. I can't believe people run cover for this dude for some reason.
 

Jake Sullivan says that weapon systems have no impact on the course of the war in Ukraine, so he sees no issue with the US not providing them. According to him, manpower is the only issue.​

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After all, if 30 tanks and 5 aircraft can't change the course of the war, then nothing can. This reminds of the late stage arguments for not permitting strikes into Russia: If not all targets can be destroyed, then it's not worth destroying any of them.
This ignores the impact on morale of troops being asked to fight without equipment or munitions, as well as the increased losses incurred due to a lack of these things, as well as the effect suffering lower losses has on the Russian army.

He also continues the Biden tactic of pretending European contributions are American ones by claiming for the US the F-16s, which were build in Europe and handed from European air forces to Ukraine.
All the US did was not block the delivery, which I guess we can be grateful for, with people like Sullivan having a word in the matter.
How does this retard hold a job? 31 tanks isn't even enough to hold Rhode Island, how the fuck is 31 tanks and several unequipped conscripts going to beat Russia? Also the US sent zero aircraft. All F-16s cake from Netherlands and Denmark.
 
Little too late now but better than nothing, I believe Tomahawks would have been a lot more effective but it is what it is. Looking forward to more videos showing the new strikes, unless Russia intercepts 100% if them.. lol.
Russia intercepts 100% of drones and missile. It's only that the debris keeps destroying the targets.
 
Russia intercepts 100% of drones and missile. It's only that the debris keeps destroying the targets.
But comrade, State does not say WHAT intercepted the drone and missile! Just because an fuel storage depot is used to intercept the drones does not mean the drones were not intercepted. And 100% of all Ukrainian Drones and missiles blew up! Putin is like Judo master of Face to Foot style fighting!
 
I have no idea what's going on here. Is it intentional? If so, for what purpose?
Russian ships have been hovering ominously at locations of undersea infrastructure for a while, and these Chinese ships (first one had a Russian crew, this one idk) just happen to drop their anchor in a place where they end up damaging EU infrastructure.
At the same time Russians keep hiring people to conduct sabotage in European countries via telegram and such, while continuously jamming GPS over the Baltic Sea, Baltic countries, and Finland. There's also a stream of cyberattacks against various industrial facilities and internet infrastructure in Europe. And of course the massive Russian information campaign on social media, which promotes socially harmful anti-Western populist parties in Europe and the US.
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This is all part of self-dense against Ukrainian aggression towards the coal miners of Donbas.


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On light minetrawls​

Mine trawls have become necessary in the modern realities of war, not only on tanks, but also on light armored vehicles, given the density of mining in modern warfare due to the massive number of remote mining vehicles and the banal dropping of mines from UAVs. And at the same time, the development of UAVs reduces the effectiveness of sapper teams to almost zero, since their actions are under constant surveillance of eyes from the sky. With the mass supply of trawls, everything is sad, since although Stankomash reorganized after bankruptcy and carried out the order of the Ministry of Defense for the supply of newly developed ТМТ-К trawls, this order was primarily for engineering troops and limited. So in 2022, the same T-80BV and BMR-3M entered with these trawls.
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For light armored vehicles, the trawls never went beyond prototypes. Yes, we are talking about the KMT-10 light trawl, only it is bladed and was intended to withstand infantry mines - that is, the result of trawl should be a dug track. True, there is a special adapter from the BMP to the KMT-7, but has anyone seen them in real life? Again, the Soviet doctrine implied that a breakthrough is organized by tanks, and only then by BMPs, so accusations of Soviet engineers in "why didn't you foresee that we would take the landings in the BMP-3, driving right over tank mines?" looks very strange. So at the present time, the most widespread implementation of the light trawl concept is the American M1132 (ESV) vehicle based on the Stryker wheeled IFV, to which it is envisaged to install all sorts of engineering trawls. But that vehicle is also intended for demining roads, and not for assault through minefields.
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As a result, when the issue of increasing the survivability of equipment lies with repair battalions, there is no need to be surprised by "I molded you from what was available." But there is no point in admiring and presenting this as "the need for trawlers is met by our own efforts," and here is why:

Let's look at some photos of homemade products and, although one of the designs uses rollers removed from some KMT, this does not make the design successful, effective and, most importantly, does not pose a threat to the ersatz sappers themselves. In the first photo - a thin metal profile with a wall of God willing 10 millimeters, which does not give the trawl mass and, most importantly, after the first detonation will be irreversibly damaged. Levers and springs to reduce the load during detonation, both on the machine and on the trawl itself, are absent in principle. And another nuance, chains, they are there, but they are simply wound, and do not act as a means of detonating anti-personnel mines, during combined mining. But they should be in front of the trawl, along its entire length, except for the rollers, a frequent comb, because the anti-tank field in the first, and often not in the first line, contains anti-personnel mines, to complicate demining.
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Now let's look at the photo of the second homemade trawl with rollers from KMT - there is even something similar to a system of levers, but again a thin metal profile that will easily break at the first detonation. The chains are generally present, but not across the entire width of the trawl, and closer to the ends for some reason they are raised up strongly, which does not contribute to the effective detonation of anti-personnel mines.
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Both designs have another significant drawback: the lowboy is rigidly attached to the vehicle body, without a lever system. In the event of an explosion, this will lead to the following: the lowboy will be thrown up, the welds or other fastenings of the structure will burst, and it will become stuck in the ground directly under the vehicle body. Most likely, the vehicle will not be damaged, but it can at least get stuck, and in the worst case, it will either be turned over or get stuck with the body raised up.
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