Greta Gustava Martela / Kjel Anderson & Nina Chaubal / Niraj Chaubal - Stole $350k+ from Trans Lifeline, kill count of 2+ from negligence, Founders of Sisterwood/La Zorra.

So i read all this and had to make an account.

I totally thought KF was totally terrible so then I came to see what all the fuss is about and y'all are completely on track.

I'm a professional in a field that deals with suicide heavily. I never took a call because their training was so minimal and their advice on how to deal with active suicide was completely unethical (I get why mental health services are shit for trans people but I'm not having blood on my hands).

New callers are supposed to be put into groups and mentored. Never happened. I still get group emails where volunteers are saying they want to take phone calls but have no idea how and no one is helping them. It's a total shit show. I offered to try and help with training and to help actually get phone calls answered and there was no interest.

Ever since I saw the way Greta responded to Amanda I've been pissed as hell but biting my tongue. But seriously wtf
 
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What happens to everything in your name when you're in this situation? TLL is under Nina's name, right? Does her current status and possible attempt for an asylum plea have any active repercussions? It sounds like seeking asylum is a way of saying "Yes, I'm illegal but if you send me away then it will get me killed" so doesn't that mean someone has to take a look at TLL and check the finances? I know nothing of the law but it just seems like something a government would want to do when someone who was here illegally had access to those kinds of funds. Hell, TLL is what enabled Nina to finance their stay here. Will there be any restrictions for Nina in regards to interacting with anything TLL related? So many questions.
 
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kiakai said:
So i read all this and had to make an account.

I totally thought KF was totally terrible so then I came to see what all the fuss is about and y'all are completely on track.

I went through their training. I'm a professional in a field that deals with suicide heavily. I never took a call because their training was so minimal and their advice on how to deal with active suicide was completely unethical (I get why mental health services are shit for trans people but I'm not having blood on my hands).

New callers are supposed to be out into groups and mentored. Never happened. I still get group emails where volunteers are saying they want to take phone calls but have no idea how and no one is helping them. It's a total shit show. I offered to try and help with training and to help actually get phone calls answered and there was no interest.

Ever since I saw the way Greta responded to Amanda I've been pissed as hell but biting my tongue. But seriously wtf
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Welcome to the farms friend, enjoy your stay.
 
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Kiwi Farms is extremely effective at gathering and eliciting information, but it is very poor at persuasion because of all the rhetoric and the nature of forum communications. We are the ones who have all the incriminating information on this duo, and we have no easy way right now of relaying our evidence to the world at large. It is absolutely critical that there be a master article or thread which can be presented to the world at large with all evidence on Greta's character and TLL's dysfunction- preferably one which doesn't have any of the usual antagonistic rhetoric. Also, whenever possible, evidence should be archived rather than merely screenshotted. Most people have jobs and personal lives, so I don't expect such a thing to be done overnight.
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Digging a little bit back for this post because it's so fucking important. I'd just like to point out that if anyone is enough of a hero willing to go back (or forward with new content) and document it properly for people who want a "bird's eye view' on Greta and the TLL scam then the most appropriate place would be the Lolcow Wiki - especially if we can get a link to the fully documented wiki page in the OP here https://lolcow.wiki/wiki/Greta_Gustava_Martela

There is nothing I can say that Officer Crappenberg hasn't said already and even myself a few more pages back. I'll see if I can find the discipline to replicate findings there in the future but I just don't have the time to go through all the posts again and do so. I also can't ask that anyone do the same either but just think what an important resource that would be for journalists coming into this thread through Google's first page results.

Maybe if we can find some 10, 20 or 30 people willing to work on this (getting all the information here into the wiki) as a community effort it would surely be less of an herculean effort. Anyone interested feel free to send me a private message and if we got enough people I'll be more than happy to coordinate the work and also join in on it.

EDIT sorry for the rant, the idea came to me as I was writing this.
 
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Maiden-TieJuan said:
I sure hope Null has something set up for an "incase Greta comes calling" scenario. That look in her eyes says "I am not taking 'he's in the shitter' for an excuse now!". I wonder if there are any Marine Trained Kiwis that would consider guarding our fearless leader's home from the Tranny Patrol?

I keep thinking that maybe Greta and Nina will use the cash to flee to Canada and try to get asylum there. Close to their "congregation" of donators, and yet far enough that ICE will more then likely write them off. Plus, the TLL has a branch in Canada so they can continue to bilk donations from Americans and Canadians.
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Stand your ground state.
 
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kiakai said:
I totally thought KF was totally terrible so then I came to see what all the fuss is about and y'all are completely on track.
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Hey, welcome to Kiwi Farms!

I mentioned this in an earlier post. We are great at gathering information but we suck at persuasion. Someone has to be relatively objective and analytical to peruse all of this and ignore the hostile rhetoric (which is often done merely to antagonize the lolcow and elicit entertaining reactions) and weigh the provided evidence on its merits. KF actually has some trans-friendly and even trans members, and the main cause of the attention on lolcows such as Greta is their behavior and not their transness.

kiakai said:
New callers are supposed to be out into groups and mentored. Never happened. I still get group emails where volunteers are saying they want to take phone calls but have no idea how and no one is helping them. It's a total shit show. I offered to try and help with training and to help actually get phone calls answered and there was no interest.
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Could you provide some documentation of this, so we can better understand what you're speaking about? We don't want you to endanger yourself or someone else in doing so, but we would love to have more evidence of how badly TLL fails at its ostensible mission and to better understand your perspective. And, thank you again for visiting our corner of the internet!
 
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kiakai said:
So i read all this and had to make an account.

I totally thought KF was totally terrible so then I came to see what all the fuss is about and y'all are completely on track.

I went through their training. I'm a professional in a field that deals with suicide heavily. I never took a call because their training was so minimal and their advice on how to deal with active suicide was completely unethical (I get why mental health services are shit for trans people but I'm not having blood on my hands).

New callers are supposed to be out into groups and mentored. Never happened. I still get group emails where volunteers are saying they want to take phone calls but have no idea how and no one is helping them. It's a total shit show. I offered to try and help with training and to help actually get phone calls answered and there was no interest.

Ever since I saw the way Greta responded to Amanda I've been pissed as hell but biting my tongue. But seriously wtf
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Is there any way you would be willing to screen's and censor the names on these emails and post them here? We have a ton of evidence and testimontials, but this isn't something we have yet.
 
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keksz said:
Digging a little bit back for this post because it's so fucking important. I'd just like to point out that if anyone is enough of a hero willing to go back (or forward with new content) and document it properly for people who want a "bird's eye view' on Greta and the TLL scam then the most appropriate place would be the Lolcow Wiki - especially if we can get a link to the fully documented wiki page in the OP here https://lolcow.wiki/wiki/Greta_Gustava_Martela

There is nothing I can say that Officer Crappenberg hasn't said already and even myself a few more pages back. I'll see if I can find the discipline to replicate findings there in the future but I just don't have the time to go through all the posts again and do so. I also can't ask that anyone do the same either but just think what an important resource that would be for journalists coming into this thread through Google's first page results.

Maybe if we can find some 10, 20 or 30 people willing to work on this (getting all the information here into the wiki) as a community effort it would surely be less of an herculean effort. Anyone interested feel free to send me a private message and if we got enough people I'll be more than happy to coordinate the work and also join in on it.

EDIT sorry for the rant, the idea came to me as I was writing this.
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There seems to be an issue, the categories list Greta as "Lolcow articles on the Rapp family" and unless She's been smoozing Alison and I haven't heard anything that doesn't seem accurate.

kiakai said:
That's what took me so long to say anything. I don't want any part in that cray
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Welcome about friend. I think You'll come to find a good spot in our bizarre little community.
 
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kiakai said:
I totally thought KF was totally terrible.
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On that subject, if you are who say you are. Keep identifying parts the ones that Greta can hone in on, out.

Other then that's I love youvile of at Facebook. Nothing stood out, but this.


Lol @eliperry quit being a bitch.
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