🚨 COCK.LI IS ON RED ALERT.

[Psychonaut]

Funny enough, the IETF is kind of trying to do that right now:
- Revision of Core Email Specifications
- Structured Email
- JSON Mail Access Protocol

...but it is the IETF so expect countless rounds of revision and infighting until something there garners attention from normies or some giant like Google or Microsoft swoops in and starts actually implementing it.

I have this idea where instead having server or provider where they host your email, your computer is the e-mail and PGP Encryption & E-Mail Clients like Thunderbird could be put to good use with it.

 

[Breadquanda.]

I have this idea where instead having server or provider where they host your email, your computer is the e-mail and PGP Encryption & E-Mail Clients like Thunderbird could be put to good use with it.

How would you send email to someone whose computer was off at the time?

 

[Psychonaut]

How would you send email to someone whose computer was off at the time?

You could still send an email and the person will receive it when their computer is on and is connected to the Internet.

 

[Hexadecimal Machine]

You could still send an email and the person will receive it when their computer is on and is connected to the Internet.

How would this work though? When you send an email, it expects the receiving server to be on and operational. If it isn't, it's just gonna fail delivery. Email doesn't just get queued until the server comes online.

 

[Psychonaut]

How would this work though? When you send an email, it expects the receiving server to be on and operational. If it isn't, it's just gonna fail delivery. Email doesn't just get queued until the server comes online.

That I don't know I haven't been thinking too deep into that. I think the concept is solid, the technical issue in my eyes is the problem.

 

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How would this work though? When you send an email, it expects the receiving server to be on and operational. If it isn't, it's just gonna fail delivery. Email doesn't just get queued until the server comes online.

You're never seen a 'failed delivery... [x] of [y]' message when sending an email that didn't go through first (or second, or third) time (most often because you just got an email address wrong)?

This is literally exactly how email is supposed to work. Although if the idea was to have everyone running their own 'chatemail' server on their device hosted through tor, then the server implementation would need to be trying to resend emails a lot more frequently a lot more times for a lot longer than a standard email server (which might try once a day for a couple days).

 

[Psychonaut]

You're never seen a 'failed delivery... [x] of [y]' message when sending an email that didn't go through first (or second, or third) time (most often because you just got an email address wrong)?

This is literally exactly how email is supposed to work. Although if the idea was to have everyone running their own 'chatemail' server on their device hosted through tor, then the server implementation would need to be trying to resend emails a lot more frequently a lot more times for a lot longer than a standard email server (which might try once a day for a couple days).

If the receiver is the only issue. Then maybe we could some type of receiver hardware where it’s connected to your outlet & the computer and it’s on 24/7 and it can receive emails and give that info to the computer?

 

[Kosher Dill]

Then maybe we could some type of receiver hardware where it’s connected to your outlet & the computer and it’s on 24/7

And what if it didn't need to be in the same house as you? Maybe we could just have a huge building somewhere full of receivers and everyone could talk to a receiver over their internet.

 

[Hegaylian Dialolctic]

That I don't know I haven't been thinking too deep into that. I think the concept is solid, the technical issue in my eyes is the problem.

"The idea is good I just can't figure out how to implement it in practice" means that the idea is bad. If you have an idea and your answer to the question "why hasn't anyone else done this before?" is "idk lol", the idea is bad. If you don't understand the problem that the original solution is solving, the idea is bad.

 

[Psychonaut]

"The idea is good I just can't figure out how to implement it in practice" means that the idea is bad. If you have an idea and your answer to the question "why hasn't anyone else done this before?" is "idk lol", the idea is bad. If you don't understand the problem that the original solution is solving, the idea is bad.

Yeah maybe you’re right. I guess it’s just me being blinded by Optimism sorry if the idea is retarded. I just hope the we don’t have to rely on server providers or Email Providers to host our E-mails. Maybe one day when technology gets better and better.

 

[AnOminous]

I'm sorry but... COCK.li?

You expect the mail provider with domains like horsefucker.org, hitler.rocks, national.shitposting.agency, cocaine.ninja, etc. etc. etc. to have a normal name?

"The idea is good I just can't figure out how to implement it in practice" means that the idea is bad. If you have an idea and your answer to the question "why hasn't anyone else done this before?" is "idk lol", the idea is bad.

That's not necessarily true. There are plenty of things where the concept was sound but the practical implementation wasn't or there was some technical hurdle nobody had solved. For instance, Chaum originated the concept of blockchain all the way back in 1982 but it simply wasn't practical to implement until much later.

 

[Psychonaut]

That's not necessarily true. There are plenty of things where the concept was sound but the practical implementation wasn't or there was some technical hurdle nobody had solved. For instance, Chaum originated the concept of blockchain all the way back in 1982 but it simply wasn't practical to implement until much later.

I think the problem with giving out ideas especially if its on the Internet is that people aren't going to like your ideas because they think its impossible, the only time they will like your ideas is if you prove them wrong. I think a good example would be if you bring the idea of adding Physics in Videos Games on Internet Chat Rooms or Forums in the 90's they would laugh at you and say how would that be even possible until you prove them wrong and say "hey look I added Physics in my video game" then they will like your idea. But hey that's just my opinion and feel free to disagree.

 

[AnOminous]

But hey that's just my opinion and feel free to disagree.

Well, a Ph.D. presenting a white paper on something is definitely different than a literally who on the Internet saying "I have this great idea so how about you go do it for me."

I'm certainly not saying every random idea that can't actually be done is good.

 

[Psychonaut]

Well, a Ph.D. presenting a white paper on something is definitely different than a literally who on the Internet saying "I have this great idea so how about you go do it for me."

Well yeah, having someone who actually knows and shares an idea to a bunch of other smart people on a conference then someone on the Internet giving out ideas that may or may not be possible are different.

I'm certainly not saying every random idea that can't actually be done is good.

Yeah if the idea is so impossible that even a disabled retard can see it its definitely not good. But if idea could be possible then I think its okay depending on what the idea is.

 

[P R O X Y]

Forgive me for not going through 15 pages of people asking "who cares about a site with cock in the name" type of shit.

Was it explained what was in the luks files, what was the implication? It's removed now from the live website so I'm confuse about what exactly that part was.

The UPS failure is suspicious and probably LE has moved in but that hasn't been explained either from my understanding? Is this in response to some type of legal request they cant talk about or something else? I think the only thing that would make cockli better was actually automatically deleting email contents after a certain period (6 months?) so that things like this aren't such a big hit to people.

My guess is feds are using his website and don't want their crimes to be discovered. https://www.vice.com/en/article/cockli-admin-russian-intelligence-svr-fbi-dhs-cisa-report/

 

[Breadquanda.]

Forgive me for not going through 15 pages of people asking "who cares about a site with cock in the name" type of shit.

Was it explained what was in the luks files, what was the implication? It's removed now from the live website so I'm confuse about what exactly that part was.

The UPS failure is suspicious and probably LE has moved in but that hasn't been explained either from my understanding? Is this in response to some type of legal request they cant talk about or something else? I think the only thing that would make cockli better was actually automatically deleting email contents after a certain period (6 months?) so that things like this aren't such a big hit to people.

My guess is feds are using his website and don't want their crimes to be discovered. https://www.vice.com/en/article/cockli-admin-russian-intelligence-svr-fbi-dhs-cisa-report/

No, it was not discovered. People suggested they were likely insurance against certain people, based on the filename of 'ins1', etc. All we know is that they are encrypted Linux filesystems. The links are still on here, somewhere.

The missing drive is also unexplained, but probably seizure.

I think you accidentally mixed up the URL and text in that link, but it is very interesting and relevant.

 

[P R O X Y]

No, it was not discovered. People suggested they were likely insurance against certain people, based on the filename of 'ins1', etc. All we know is that they are encrypted Linux filesystems. The links are still on here, somewhere.

The missing drive is also unexplained, but probably seizure.

I think you accidentally mixed up the URL and text in that link, but it is very interesting and relevant.

Ah I did lol..

But all that makes sense. I guess we'll either find out or we won't. Not sure "insurance" is the right move but maybe it's the only move in this type of situation outside of giving up.

 

[s0m3dood]

That I don't know I haven't been thinking too deep into that. I think the concept is solid, the technical issue in my eyes is the problem.

Normal mail servers give the sender a status report after a few hours (some after 24h) about the delayed message and usually try to deliver the mail for roundabout 2 days before returning to sender with an error. So if your own mailserver at home is online for a few hours every day incoming mail should just work fine. Even when it's late.

 

[Breadquanda.]

Normal mail servers give the sender a status report after a few hours (some after 24h) about the delayed message and usually try to deliver the mail for roundabout 2 days before returning to sender with an error. So if your own mailserver at home is online for a few hours every day incoming mail should just work fine. Even when it's late.

I thought the point was to avoid third-party servers and relays, meaning that your computer would have to be on for the entire time these attempts to deliver were being made.

 

[Nekoi.Inukuma.00]

I honestly think that setting up your own E-Mail Server is for the best, I would rather have to deal with taking care of its security and hosting than having to switch E-Mail Providers only for those Mail Providers or Feds having to fuck you over & over again. The only issue is that I think no one in this forum has experience of hosting a private or public server, all I know so far from what I can gather is that in order to host your own E-Mail server you have to.

1. Purchase a domain
2. Purchase an Ubuntu Server from places like INCOGNET or Rumble Cloud
3. Download Mail Software's like Mail-in-a-Box or Mailcow
4. Set it up
5. Setup the its security from its Mail Software to the Server itself, and your Domain

That is from what I can gather. Again I have no experience of setting up an E-Mail Server.

Can confirm, it's not that hard to run an email server for a normie purposes. Personally I figured it out from an older version of this guide. (archive)

The only downsides I see is that a personal email server forgoes the ability to "hide in the crowd" that using a major service offers. If you host multiple domains on one box, they can all be linked back to you. I remember someone getting outed, during GamerGate I think, doing gayops because they hosted a wiki they were the admin of on the same box they were using to CP bomb 8chan. (edit: it was Laurelai Bailey)

Just remember, CISA was something that was created during the Trump administration (Trump wanted this).

I know some people have hopes for Trump and the Internet but honestly I just think he will crack down on websites and online services that are popular with gray hats and black hats on the Internet.

It doesn't help that Elon Musk is on Team Trump now where he may push for the Republicans and Trump to enact harsher revisions for the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act of 1986 (because Elon Musk doesn't like doxing and detest hackers).

CISA existed before it was CISA, as part of DHS. It sounded like a good idea when it was doing "cybersecurity and infrastructure protection". It wasn't until it became interested in protecting NATO's "cognitive infrastructure" that it got all 1984. Of course, maybe that was the point all along, with "defensive cybersecurity" mandate being a Trojan horse.

Hit me with rainbows, but considering people like Elon and Trump appear to be listening to people who have been all over outing "disinformation researcher" grift, like Mike Benz, I don't think the Trump admin is liable to make that mistaken again. If anything he's likely to make things worse by going to hard in the other direction.

Not like it matters, all these NGOs are already far enough outside the government they're going to be a pain in our ass for the foreseeable future.