Greta Gustava Martela / Kjel Anderson & Nina Chaubal / Niraj Chaubal - Stole $350k+ from Trans Lifeline, kill count of 2+ from negligence, Founders of Sisterwood/La Zorra.

Honestly, if Lordkat's info from his recent podcast is accurate, El Nino has, at best, a ~3% of having their asylum plea accepted. Eloy and Pinal County have the toughest judges concerning passing asylum pleas in the entire country. Hoping someone brings up all the social media info, El Nino will probably have a one way ticket back to India with a "Do not let in" status applied to their file. Or we may see the start of the "on the run" saga.

honestly, El Nino would've had a better chance of getting asylum in Chicago than Eloy.
 
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Is it just me, or is Greta acting like Gargamel with these cartoon villain style threats on kiwi farms.

'I've got something special planned for those kiwis and their little friend, Null!'

*twirls mustache*

In a gruff, male voice *laughs maniacally*
Honestly, I'm really looking forward to it. Unless it was just that whole "Nina gets out" thing. That was boring.

New Zealand just got ten times better.
I hear it's full of Kiwis.
 
Here are those emails edited better thanks to Jaimas
Basically showing how there are various volunteers who want to help but we never heard back from anyone and when we did it was said it would "be fixed" and Wasn't.
 

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Are we getting the MSM coverage of Greta's freak show after all? I'd honestly feel let down if that didn't happen.

MSM attention would only increase the money pouring into the legal fund, and draw attention from TLL's shady stuff to the plight of two deluded men who can even begin to follow immigration laws.
 
MSM attention would only increase the money pouring into the legal fund, and draw attention from TLL's shady stuff to the plight of two deluded men who can even begin to follow immigration laws.
MSM coverage would maybe also mean the government will fight much harder to make an example of Arjun, proving that being a crazy troon doesn't mean to law won't apply to you.

Who knows, maybe it would make them look into TLL as well, seeing as Vihaan is listed in the paperwork.
 
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MSM coverage would maybe also mean the government will fight much harder to make an example that being a crazy troon doesn't mean to law won't apply to you. Who knows, amybe it would make them look into TLL as well, seeing as Vihaan is listed in the paperwork.

While I think that would happen as well, I have no doubt the media will spin this as persecution of two innocent trans women. That's what I don't want to happen, since it creates a persecution narrative that never goes away.
 
While I think that would happen as well, I have no doubt the media will spin this as persecution of two innocent trans women. That's what I don't want to happen, since it creates a persecution narrative that never goes away.
What the media does and what the general population thinks are two entirely different pairs of shoe.

I'd wager that a majority of people are sick and tired of the far-left crazy train that is the SJW's and troon brigade. The only people that would get upset are the already convinced. Preaching to the choir and all that.
 
But we are persecuting them. And we're never going to stop.

Ever.

I meant more in the context of media persecution, since it's so well publicized by the 24 hour news cycle.

What the media does and what the general population thinks are two entirely different pairs of shoe.

I'd wager that a majority of people are sick and tired of the far-left crazy train that is the SJW's and troon brigade. The only people that would get upset are the already convinced. Preaching to the choir and all that.

Dunno. People seem to get upset and indignant over all sorts of things they shouldn't.
 
While I think that would happen as well, I have no doubt the media will spin this as persecution of two innocent trans women. That's what I don't want to happen, since it creates a persecution narrative that never goes away.
I doubt any media will be interested other than LGBT blogs. If you're a mainstream news source, what's the story? Someone who founded a service you've never heard of gets arrested for something that's nothing to do with their trans status?

If anyone mainstream is going to be interested, it'll be the right wing news - it basically ticks all the boxes for a "whiny lefties" story.
 
How's this going to go down from now im in regards to the court system? I'm assuming whatever judge heard their case today basically just waved it through because it's more or lessa preliminary thing and they just released her on bond until they can get to a new court that will ultimately decide what's going happen?

Which federal court would this case be assigned to, the one closest to where Pajeet lives or the one in the district where childwife was in custody?

She's in immigration court which is under the Dept. of Justice. She got out today because this was nothing more than a simple bond hearing and she's didn't have any issues that caused automatic denial of bail (like a felony, being an arriving alien, past deportation, etc..) The judge today didn't look at anything else besides the matter of bail and flight risk - nothing else. (I do wonder what her bail was they had to post. When my husband got to spend a few days in immigration detention he was released on his own recognizance, no money was required for him to be released.)

Immigration Courts (IC) are a specific type of court and they have them across the country, some states have two or three some have none, depends on the need. You can see where the various IC are by googling it.

The asylum claim and case will first be assigned to the IC at Elroy because that's where she was detained. I'm assuming they will request to have the case transferred to Chicago IC since that is where they live. (You can get your case moved to the court closest to your registered permanent residence and they will usually grant that no problem but you can't just get it moved to any random IC in the country because you think your chances are better with a certain IC or judge.) There are a number of judges in each IC and which judge is assigned the case is totally random.

The next step will be (if it hasn't already happened) a credible fear interview, which is just done by a USCIS officer (not a judge). If she is found to have credible fear she will be then be allowed to petition for asylum, if they find she doesn't have CF she will not be allowed to apply for asylum and be deported (She can appeal the CF finding to a IJ, but good luck with that).

It's not terribly difficult to be granted a credible fear finding, it's just basically the govt. agreeing that their is a reason to review your asylum claim and they tend to play it safe/ give people the benefit of the doubt if there isn't an obvious red flag or reason not too.

Once CF is found, then the actual defensive asylum claim begins where your lawyer starts guiding you through the process and court appearances where you submit a long form (forget the #) that details all persecution you experienced in your home country, evidence about your governments treatment/persecution/lack of protection, witness statements (if any), etc.. Besides your personal narrative you need to attached documentation to back it up. Asylum claims based solely on the word or claims of the defendant are not good cases. It's pretty important to provide evidence to support at least some of the claims you make.
This form will be given to the prosecutor to review and pick apart. The prosecutor will start an investigation, based on the info you provided, to fight your claim. After the submission of your official asylum claim a Individual Merit hearing will be scheduled.

An Individual Merit hearing is probably what most people here think of when you say you are defending an asylum claim in court, it is similar to a criminal trial where you have a prosecutor and defendant. Since this is a defensive asylum claim the burden of proof is solely on Nina to prove it. She will go before a judge to be questioned about the testimony/evidence she has submitted, a prosecutor will also be there to actively fight against her claim, cross examining and present evidence against your claim or statements she made. At the end of the hearing the IJ will then rule on the matter on whether to grant the claim of asylum or not. (Generally it is a written decision issued weeks after the actual hearing)

If the judge find the claims has merit, she's now legally allowed to remain and work in the USA. If the judge denies her claim she will be ordered to leave the country within a certain amount of time. You can appeal the ruling if the judge finds against you, but it's extremely rare for such a ruling to be reversed. These cases have occasionally been appealed all the way to the Supreme Court, but that's extaordinarily rare.

In many cases an asylum claim is used to stay in the country, get bail and buy extra time. Most people try to get married or have a kid to get another avenue to legality - and that's because defensive asylum claims are so difficult to win, take years and are very expensive. You can spend tens of thousand of dollars pursuing a defensive asylum claim with no guarantee of wining or becoming legal. It's far better to claim asylum while you are here legally and then it's not a defensive process, but Nina let ICE get her so she just put herself in a very difficult, expensive corner with only a small chance of success.

If Nina has no other avenues of relief (like being able to become legal via marriage) the asylum claim will proceed much faster. If she's got another avenue for relief, then the judge may grant a lot of continuances to give her time to get legal that way. But marriage is the only other option for relief she has and that's why it will be very interesting if she sticks with the asylum claim - showing Greta is really fucking her over and has some major reason to stay in the shadows and let Nina hang out to dry fighting a defensive asylum claim.
 
An Individual Merit hearing is probably what most people here think of when you say you are defending an asylum claim in court, it is similar to a criminal trial where you have a prosecutor and defendant. Since this is a defensive asylum claim the burden of proof is solely on Nina to prove it. She will go before a judge to be questioned about the testimony/evidence she has submitted, a prosecutor will also be there to actively fight against her claim, cross examining and present evidence against your claim or statements she made. At the end of the hearing the IJ will then rule on the matter on whether to grant the claim of asylum or not. (Generally it is a written decision issued weeks after the actual hearing)
Are these hearings open to the public? Maybe we could get some Kiwi Agents to attend one incognito like the CWC hearings. Watching some troons flip out in court (or getting reports) would be fucking hilarious.
 
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