Grand Theft Auto Grieving Thread - Yep, I've been drinkin' again...

[Jonah Hill poster]

Massive GTA Trilogy Definitive Edition update, release vs now (Patch 1.112)

Rockstar has removed references to the company they outsourced (Grove street games) seemingly to distance themselves.

Just want to say that the new run and gun feature that was added onto Vice City is probably the interesting thing that was updated for this game, and it makes me wish they did for the PS2 and PC versions. The only downside is that the character models went from being awkward looking to now just being barely okay.

Either way, it’s somewhat of an improvement.

 

[The Last Stand]

Revenge could've been done much better had they:

a) Build Pegorino up and made him a legit threat to Niko. He wasn't gonna get Dimitri levels of heat this late in the game, but you could've done something more intimidating than a mocking parody of Tony Soprano

I think the fall of Pegorino with Niko's pursuit to a happy ending fit well with each other. Pegorino was desperate to gain favor for the Commission. Problem was, he was a loose cannon. Horrible leader, horrible decisions, not a Liberty City family.

Shooting up a wedding against your best hitman was THE worst thing a mob boss could do. The Five Families never took him seriously before that; that reckless decision marked him for dead.

Niko was never meant to have a happy ending based on his past. IV actually subverts the happy endings that GTA is known for, which deconstructs the whole criminal fantasy. That said, I'd say that ending is more aligned with Niko's beliefs.

 

[30+GameOvers]

Japanese version of San Andreas has some really pathetic censorship

Just imagine living there and getting not only an inferior, glitchy copy of the game, but only being able to play it 3 fucking years after release. All because the same puritans like we've had in the US ala Jack Thompson threw a fit AND Soyny had a stick up their ass and made R* go thru the entire game with a fine toothed comb. It's clear they didn't want to, they went about it as half-assed as they could, lmao.

 

[Adash]

Just imagine living there and getting not only an inferior, glitchy copy of the game, but only being able to play it 3 fucking years after release. All because the same puritans like we've had in the US ala Jack Thompson threw a fit AND Soyny had a stick up their ass and made R* go thru the entire game with a fine toothed comb. It's clear they didn't want to, they went about it as half-assed as they could, lmao.

It was mainly Sony's fault. The only thing the puritans actually got was an 18+ rating that required ID to buy, similar to how the ESRB operates. However Sony threw a fit and forced Rockstar and Capcom to censor the game.

Hopefully most of the Japanese just modchipped their PS2s and imported or pirated the EU or US release. Or they imported the game for PC. I mean, did anyone actually give a shit after 3 years? IV was 1 year off from releasing dammit.

IV actually subverts the happy endings that GTA is known for

This also reminds me of TLAD: The entire point of that expansion was to be a flip on GTAs formula. You start off strong, but you lose everything by the end of it all.

I think that's the reason why IV is so polarising: it's a flipped take on GTA. Some people liked the difference. Others didn't.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

It was mainly Sony's fault. The only thing the puritans actually got was an 18+ rating that required ID to buy, similar to how the ESRB operates. However Sony threw a fit and forced Rockstar and Capcom to censor the game.

Eh, Asian countries are pretty insane about drug use. You can have all the weird sex stuff you want, but having someone taking drugs is a shitshow.

 

[Green Man]

Japanese version of San Andreas has some really pathetic censorship

Just imagine living there and getting not only an inferior, glitchy copy of the game, but only being able to play it 3 fucking years after release. All because the same puritans like we've had in the US ala Jack Thompson threw a fit AND Soyny had a stick up their ass and made R* go thru the entire game with a fine toothed comb. It's clear they didn't want to, they went about it as half-assed as they could, lmao.

It's really fucking strange to me that something like GTA SA is censored in Japan despite not having a whole lot of gore or anything, or even outright encouraging you to kill random civilians, yet porn games are a dime a dozen out there and nobody seems to care a whole lot. Like one that made waves early on even in the west was that fucking Japanese porn game where the goal was to rape women on the subway or some shit. Rapelay maybe? It must just be a cultural thing I guess.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

Japanese version of San Andreas has some really pathetic censorship

Just imagine living there and getting not only an inferior, glitchy copy of the game, but only being able to play it 3 fucking years after release. All because the same puritans like we've had in the US ala Jack Thompson threw a fit AND Soyny had a stick up their ass and made R* go thru the entire game with a fine toothed comb. It's clear they didn't want to, they went about it as half-assed as they could, lmao.

My favorite thing about the Japanese version is that because they didn't want to show acts of violence towards civilians in missions, they made literally everyone a member of the Ballas, regardless of how little sense that makes.

 

[Frederica Bernkastel]

Los Santos Red is a neat GTA V mod if you want to turn it into a more complete crim sim

https://github.com/thatoneguy650/Los-Santos-RED

Kind of a bitch to setup tho because GTA V mod sucks fucking ASS
You can enhance it with ScriptHookDotnet V mods that add home burglaries, striping or even prostitution as jobs for roleplaying

 

[Meth Dick]

My favorite thing about the Japanese version is that because they didn't want to show acts of violence towards civilians in missions, they made literally everyone a member of the Ballas, regardless of how little sense that makes.

The Japanese just really hate the Ballas because they can't pronounces the word.

 

[30+GameOvers]

It's really fucking strange to me that something like GTA SA is censored in Japan despite not having a whole lot of gore or anything, or even outright encouraging you to kill random civilians, yet porn games are a dime a dozen out there and nobody seems to care a whole lot. Like one that made waves early on even in the west was that fucking Japanese porn game where the goal was to rape women on the subway or some shit. Rapelay maybe? It must just be a cultural thing I guess.

Their fascination with censorship when there is entire culture of porn games just easily available both online and offline is really funny to me. I guess puritians and politicians there think that if they point their fingers at games like GTA or Manhunt enough, all of their social problems can easily be blamed on them instead of the mess they have at home.

Eh, Asian countries are pretty insane about drug use. You can have all the weird sex stuff you want, but having someone taking drugs is a shitshow.

Now that I think about it, do you see people deal or use drugs anywhere in games like Yakuza? You don't hit women, or pedestrians in general either. Your characters are criminals so it's not like they're soft little snowflakes either.

 

[Meth Dick]

Their fascination with censorship when there is entire culture of porn games just easily available both online and offline is really funny to me. I guess puritians and politicians there think that if they point their fingers at games like GTA or Manhunt enough, all of their social problems can easily be blamed on them instead of the mess they have at home.

Now that I think about it, do you see people deal or use drugs anywhere in games like Yakuza? You don't hit women, or pedestrians in general either. Your characters are criminals so it's not like they're soft little snowflakes either.

Yakuza games take that "outlaw with a code of honor" shit seriously.
It's not like the Red Dead games where 2 seconds after hearing Arthur Morgan or John Marston go on a spiel about "We're bad men but we got RULES!" you can quickdraw some random woman in the back of the head before walking off with a hat tilt saying "Madam"

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Now that I think about it, do you see people deal or use drugs anywhere in games like Yakuza? You don't hit women, or pedestrians in general either. Your characters are criminals so it's not like they're soft little snowflakes either.

You can punch women if they are trannies

In Yakuza being told a guy is dealing drugs is how you know a he is beyond salvation, with taking drugs usually being a show of sympathy. I don't remember any cases of use being shown directly or even drug paraphernalia.

Yakuza games take that "outlaw with a code of honor" shit seriously.
It's not like the Red Dead games where 2 seconds after hearing Arthur Morgan or John Marston go on a spiel about "We're bad men but we got RULES!" you can quickdraw some random woman in the back of the head before walking off with a hat tilt saying "Madam"

...not really. If anything it is even more slanted (eh) than RDR2. Yakuza just straight up ignores what irl Yakuza does most of the time and when it shows characters doing heinous shit they'll still a lot of time shill for them as long as it's nothing too criminal or too taboo. The advantage the Yakuza games has is that they are weird enough so it's easier to forget it.

 

[Meth Dick]

You can punch women if they are trannies

In Yakuza being told a guy is dealing drugs is how you know a he is beyond salvation, with taking drugs usually being a show of sympathy. I don't remember any cases of use being shown directly or even drug paraphernalia.

...not really. If anything it is even more slanted (eh) than RDR2. Yakuza just straight up ignores what irl Yakuza does most of the time and when it shows characters doing heinous shit they'll still a lot of time shill for them as long as it's nothing too criminal or too taboo. The advantage the Yakuza games has is that they are weird enough so it's easier to forget it.

I meant as in the Yakuza games there really isn't much blatant hypocrisy like there is in RDR games. While I admit the hypocrisy is probably written on purpose for RDR especially 2.
If the Yakuza games were more like what Yakuza IRL it wouldn't be as much fun or even allowed in Japan. Japan doesn't like it's media glorifying the Yakuza, it's not like in the US where gangster films are a beloved genre with films like Godfather, Goodfellas, etc. There are gangster films there but it's done very differently so Sega isn't going to go balls out depicting the really real Yakuza, but instead a more sugar coated version.
Also real life Yakuza members that have played the game have basically all been in agreement that if any Yakuza were like Kiryu, getting in fights literally every time he turns a corner he'd be ousted from any family and certainly not be any ranking member.
The Yakuza games on it's own is much like Japan's censorship of GTA where every enemy that needs to be killed is specifically said to be a bad guy, much like in Yakuza you can't go around hitting civilians so they load up the free roam with gangs of enemies to the point it's almost annoying

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

I meant as in the Yakuza games there really isn't much blatant hypocrisy like there is in RDR games. While I admit the hypocrisy is probably written on purpose for RDR especially 2.
If the Yakuza games were more like what Yakuza IRL it wouldn't be as much fun or even allowed in Japan. Japan doesn't like it's media glorifying the Yakuza, it's not like in the US where gangster films are a beloved genre with films like Godfather, Goodfellas, etc. There are gangster films there but it's done very differently so Sega isn't going to go balls out depicting the really real Yakuza, but instead a more sugar coated version.

Yakuza hypocrisy is so overt that there isn't a lot of point talking about it. It's not like with AssCreed turning pirates into freedom fighters who never harm civilians, the Yakuza are still horrible on screen with murders, bullying and sexual exploitation (only not shown to directly engage in the more unspeakable crimes) but they still get the song and dance on being honorable. While RDR and GTA has somewhat more nuanced image of the world.

Like what bothers me with the comparison is that Yakuza, as much as I liked the game, doesn't even try to deal with its subject materials, sticking mainly to safe tropes and plot points.

 

[30+GameOvers]

Speaking of Yakuza, didn't one of the games glorify the weird idol culture they have, that includes an underage female character partaking in it? There is a lot of questionable things these games praise, so it's funny that they cross the line at hitting civvies and portraying Yakuza too accurately.
As for an open world crime simulator in Japan, I don't even know if there is a good alternative. GTA Vice City was originally going to take place in Tokyo, before being changed to Miami due to the similarities to GTA 3 and it's drab tone. There is Sleeping Dogs that takes the whole gangster culture aspect more seriously but that game takes place in Hong Kong.

 

[The Last Stand]

Their fascination with censorship when there is entire culture of porn games just easily available both online and offline is really funny to me. I guess puritians and politicians there think that if they point their fingers at games like GTA or Manhunt enough, all of their social problems can easily be blamed on them instead of the mess they have at home.

Funny thing is that many sexual references in GTA were censored for the Japanese release. I don't think Vice City even had that much censorship for Japan.

 

[Meth Dick]

Speaking of Yakuza, didn't one of the games glorify the weird idol culture they have, that includes an underage female character partaking in it? There is a lot of questionable things these games praise, so it's funny that they cross the line at hitting civvies and portraying Yakuza too accurately.
As for an open world crime simulator in Japan, I don't even know if there is a good alternative. GTA Vice City was originally going to take place in Tokyo, before being changed to Miami due to the similarities to GTA 3 and it's drab tone. There is Sleeping Dogs that takes the whole gangster culture aspect more seriously but that game takes place in Hong Kong.

Fucking really wish they did more with Sleeping Dogs. Loved that game, the atmosphere, the lights, the action of driving, fighting, and shooting, the pork bun, all were the makings of what could have been a really good series.

 

[Adash]

Los Santos Red is a neat GTA V mod if you want to turn it into a more complete crim sim

So, LSPDFR but with gangs instead? Or am I getting that wrong. (nvm, i am. it seems to just add way more stuff when it comes to the original gameplay) Redone police scanners is a game changer for me, changing it to something like F.E.A.R will probably bring way more dynamic police chases and stuff like that.

Fucking really wish they did more with Sleeping Dogs. Loved that game, the atmosphere, the lights, the action of driving, fighting, and shooting, the pork bun, all were the makings of what could have been a really good series.

It's ALWAYS the pork bun.

 

[The Last Stand]

Now, that raised an interesting question about the future of GTA Online after GTA 6. Would GTA Online continue after GTA 6's lifespan?

I'd say yes with hesitation. I don't see R* just shelving GTA Online after 6's online launch, that's ridiculous. But, because of the PS4/XB1, larger updates would reach an inevitable end because of hardware limitations. Now, I see why GTA Online are separate entities for the next gen consoles. So that updates could be allocated at an efficient rate.

Of course, their planned obsolescence would be to get players to the latest entry. Fortnite is able to continue updates despite being on older platforms.

 

[Adash]

Now, that raised an interesting question about the future of GTA Online after GTA 6. Would GTA Online continue after GTA 6's lifespan?

I'd say yes with hesitation. I don't see R* just shelving GTA Online after 6's online launch, that's ridiculous. But, because of the PS4/XB1, larger updates would reach an inevitable end because of hardware limitations. Now, I see why GTA Online are separate entities for the next gen consoles. So that updates could be allocated at an efficient rate.

Yes, but not forever of course.

GTA V on PS3 and 360 got updates with PS4 and Xbox One, up until 2015. After that, no more updates came. They then shut the servers down in 2021. They'll probably make updates for 2 more years, then shut down the servers a while after.