Ursula Haverbeck (1928-2024): warrior for truth

https://www.heritageanddestiny.com/ursula-haverbeck-1928-2024-warrior-for-truth/ (A)
Posted on November 20, 2024 by admin978
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"The great German patriot, writer, publisher, and educator Ursula Haverbeck has died, less than a fortnight after her 96th birthday. The occupation government that calls itself the Federal Republic of Germany was seeking to jail Ursula right up to the instant of her death.

Though born in western Germany, Ursula was living in East Prussia as a young girl until it was overrun by Stalin’s Red Army, at which point she became a refugee, first in Sweden and then in the UK.

In 1963 she and her future husband Werner Haverbeck (a veteran national socialist academic) founded the Collegium Humanum – an educational institute based at their home in the northern German town of Vlotho.

This Collegium provided a wide range of educational and ideological training for several generations of Germans, with speakers including the intellectual founder of the modern European environmentalist movement, Dr E.F. Schumacher.
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Ursula Haverbeck with fellow revisionist scholar Horst Mahler (now 88) who has also been jailed for his books and speeches on historical topics.
In 1992 Ursula became active in an organisation seeking to build proper memorials for German civilian victims of the Second World War, whether victims of the terror-bombing campaign by the Western allies, or the campaign of mass rapes, murders and expulsions by their Soviet counterparts.

Though this might have been thought a simple acknowledgment of historical facts, Ursula attracted the hostile attention of German state authorities who wished to impose an authorised version of history.

Increasingly this state-imposed version of history has concentrated on criminalising any attempt to question the alleged ‘Holocaust’ of six million Jews in supposed homicidal gas chambers on the presumed orders of Adolf Hitler.
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The inaugural Robert Faurisson International Prize was awarded to Ursula Haverbeck in 2019
Historians, scientists and even lawyers who draw attention to serious evidential problems with the orthodox ‘Holocaust’ narrative were first demonised and driven out of their jobs, then criminalised, and increasingly subjected to long jail sentences.

Ursula herself was first fined for this invented thought-crime of ‘Holocaust denial’ – defined in Germany as Volksverhetzung, or ‘public incitement’ – in 2004. Almost ten years ago, as her revisionist activities continued, Professor Robert Faurisson noted that “at her own risk and peril, a great German lady has publicly opened the black box of ‘the Holocaust’. She has done so in the country which, along with Austria, is the most ruthless in Europe against historical revisionism.”

In 2019, three months after the Professor’s death, Ursula was awarded the inaugural Robert Faurisson International Prize at a ceremony in Vichy organised by the Italian tenor and revisionist campaigner Joe Fallisi. The prize was accepted on her behalf by her Berlin lawyer Wolfram Nahrath, because Ursula herself was by that time imprisoned.
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Ursula Haverbeck with her friends and fellow campaigners Dr Rigolf Hennig (1935-2022) and Lady Michèle Renouf.
During the last twenty years of her life, Ursula was repeatedly dragged into court, despite her advancing years, for the ‘crime’ of asking politely worded questions about ‘Holocaust’ history in letters to academics, politicians, and other public figures; for writing historical articles in magazines; and more recently for the ‘crime’ of answering questions in an online video interview.

From May 2018 until November 2020 Ursula served two and a half years in prison for such ‘crimes’, and in April 2022 she was sentenced to a further 12 months imprisonment.

Appeals against this sentence were turned down, and further cases continued this year in Hamburg. Right up until her death, Ursula was awaiting imprisonment – the main obstacle for the courts was finding a prison (even a prison hospital) that had appropriate facilities for a lady in her mid-90s!
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Ursula Haverbeck with her indefatigable lawyer Wolfram Nahrath.
Even in death, Ursula is feared by our enemies worldwide: less than two weeks ago, to give just one example, YouTube banned an H&D video that had been posted to mark her 96th birthday – although this video was simply an excerpt of an interview with Ursula that had been broadcast on a mainstream German television channel!

The good news – which Ursula knew and celebrated – is that this censorship is visibly failing. New generations of European patriots and intellectuals are challenging the lies that have been imposed on our continent for almost eighty years.

H&D will continue to honour Ursula’s legacy: an obituary will appear in our next edition.
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Ursula’s campaign for historical truth has spread across Europe.
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Nigga what is the lend lease act?

America started lend lease with Russia the day after Germany invaded Russia. They are already in the war

2016 called. James alsup tried this and it did not work, nor did it work for a single groyper, nor did it work for any other person who ever said nigger over text message that tried to infiltrate the GOP. It turns out the whole point of the GOP is to absorb and redirect those kinds of tendencies into gay butt sex liberalism and viciously stamp out radicals. This is still happening by the way https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/11/04/trump-organizer-white-nationalist-pennsylvania/
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I couldn't resist -- LM seems kind of retarded.
James Allsup is the only person from the 2016 crop to emerge with real promise or integrity; I hope he and his family prosper.
 
Anyone who says it didn't happen is a retarded neonazi and have no National Socialist revolutionary fervor.
I don't know why Wignats simp for a man who declared the Jews a scourge upon all mankind and yet somehow never, ever acted on his words.
"Yes, Hitler was completely right about the Jews, aside from that part where he killed six million of them."

Just once I'd like to see a wignat actively say Hitler was a pussy bitch for not finishing the job instead of insisting the Holocaust never actually happened and is just a Jewish lie to make Hitler look bad.
Standard delousing.

224k tops, and due to disease.

Even if it did happen, they deserved it.
Oooooh, so close, yet no cigar.
Then how do they keep outfoxing the superior Aryan Race at every turn?
I've never, ever seen a wignat have a proper answer to this conundrum. "Whites are the superior race, which is why we must persecute and drive out the Jews lest they control all of our institutions."
Because Germany was invading all their neighbors with impunity? Russia is an ocean and a continent away.
The only viable invasion route into Russia for the West is through Western Europe... which was occupied by Germany at the time.

And then in 1945 you have the obvious issues of a worn-out West with problems of its own (like the fact the UK was bankrupted to the point the entire Royal Navy got sent to the scrapyards) and Stalin being politically smart in how he occupied Eastern Europe.
 
I am not telling anyone here to be weak or passive
This is laughable. You came into this thread about a proud German woman who gave the last years of her life to fighting oppression, and you made it about Trump and internet politics.
>renege on a non-aggression pact and invade Russia in winter
The Finns fought the Soviets (with German help), and successfully repelled them. They didn't want or need to start marching towards Moscow.
The Icebreaker Thesis is more popular than ever. Also Hitler and Mannerheim talk about this very subject in this attached recording.
To paraphrase the evil genius Alinsky, true revolutionaries hide their power level and work within the system. Clown World didn't just happen one day in the 2010s; it was the result of Cultural Marxists' Long March through the institutions.
The laws Ursula Haverbeck was convicted under long predate the 2010s. Zundel was given 5 years in Germany during the 2000s for instance. I don't give a fuck about "Clown World" or whatever bad things you think suddenly happened in the 2010s that you want to make this about. This is about Europe being invaded by millions of nonwhites every year, and you can easily trace the roots of the driving ideology for this back to official American anti-nazi propaganda in the 1940s for instance. Left-wing radicals have openly advocated for everything we're seeing today long before the 2010s. If you're not making demands and politicizing race in a pro-white direction you're not going to get anything. Politics isn't done by keeping everything you believe secret and becoming a university professor or something and then coming public with your beliefs 40 years later.
If you're not making it about race, white people, freedom of speech for white people in Europe, why are you even in this thread? No one gives a fuck if Trump is going to ban transexual surgery for kids, not unless that issue is being used as a stepping stone to further radicalize people along racial lines, and most of the time it's not and is instead just used for conservatives to have edgelord credentials over a relatively harmless political issue that can easily be reversed decades down the line.
Who are the public face of white nationalism? Richard Spencer. Nick Fuentes. Mike Peinovich. All fair-weather faggot lolcows who declare "all is lost" at the first sign of trouble.
Who are the public faces of white nationalism? We're in an Ursula Haverbeck thread you retard. Get your head out your ass for two seconds. Why you come in this thread about Ursula Haverbeck and derail it to be about how "wignats" are all cowards and do nothing, while also saying that they do do things but that this somehow makes it impossible for sensible, pragmatic, grass-touching "righties" to swoop in and save the day, is all very transparent.
It's like arguing that America declared war on Russia because it boycotts Russian goods.
Lots of people make the argument sanctions are an act of war, that's not even fringe. You should've instead just said it was private individuals in the case of Jews if you wanted to defend the Jewish boycott.
your assumption that sanctions are always a prelude to war is a perfect example of why wignats/Nazis never win.

You have no concept of statecraft, strategic thinking, or realpolitik. You just expect every knee to bow and every tongue confess that you are the Master Race who deserves to rule because you say so, without ever having a single fact to back it up.
Why do you keep "mUh maStEr rAce"-posting? aren't you larping that you ideologically agree with us but just have pragmatic disagreements? It seems like your Saul Alinsky entryist tactics are more being used for entering white nationalist spaces and subverting them to be about "Clown World" and the wokesters. it's not convincing to just come in here with the typical exaggerated leftist caricature of what nazis believe to ridicule it when you're trying to subvert natsocs
Think longer-term. Not in years or election cycles; instead, decades.
Europe doesn't have decades. if you think it's just about trannies, feminism, etc. it does. not if you want to enact Nuremburg Laws against the nonwhites and mass deportations.
Germans killed a lot of Jews and were very meticulous about keeping records, and knew what would happen if they got caught doing it.
Just to be clear, my own beliefs are agnostic on most of this issue. But revisionists are concerned with the claims of gas chambers, primarily Auschwitz. No one cares that Jews got shot in the East, if it were restricted to just that the suffering of Jews in WW2 wouldn't be used as a cudgel like it is today. Photos of Germans doing mass shootings aren't compelling because you can find a lot of those for many different ethnicities on the Eastern Front. There's also a ton of footage and photographs of German civilians getting shot in many different countries after the war was already over, during the ethnic cleansing. No one cares.
 

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So I made up the fact that Hitler was influenced by Nietzsche's concepts of the Ubermensch and the Will to Power? And that the Third Reich was defeated militarily?
Was Hitler influenced by the actions of communists and jews or not? You keep leaving that part out. I wonder why.
Because Germany was invading all their neighbors with impunity? Russia is an ocean and a continent away.
Invading all their neighbors? Which neighbors did they invade and why exactly? So you admit bad things are ok when communist do it and is worthy of alliance then?
"But, but they HAD to invade everyone else because of what everyone else MIGHT HAVE DONE!" Okay, Netanyahu.
'Sure they were already doing something but you aren't allowed to defend yourself unless jews say it's ok"
I know where you're coming from. Churchill was a warmonger and Versailles unjustly fucked over Germany. But Germany's quest to reclaim greatness spiraled out of proportion into a vindictive brother-war.
Lmao vindictive brother war? What does that even mean.
I don't dispute this. The problem is that Germany's racial autism caused them to kill a lot of white and white-adjacent people who did nothing wrong and were minding their own business.
Racial autism? What is a white-adjacent person exactly? I know you like making shit up just to hear yourself talk but it has no basis in reality.

Don't lie, Mohammedian. Just admit that you're assblasted all the time because deep down you know you'll never really pass for white anyway, no matter how much you pretend on the internet.
If lusting after me keeps you away from children, I guess I'll have to put up with it.
I don't know why Wignats simp for a man who declared the Jews a scourge upon all mankind and yet somehow never, ever acted on his words.
He did act, that's why he expulsed the jews from Germany. I know thinking isn't your strong spot but maybe crack open a history book. It's always telling how you wish for genocide and assume everyone else feels the same way, as if it's the only answer.
Oooooh, so close, yet no cigar.
There's a whole holocaust thread you can make your case in, go for it so we can laugh at you.
I've never, ever seen a wignat have a proper answer to this conundrum. "Whites are the superior race, which is why we must persecute and drive out the Jews lest they control all of our institutions."
There is no conundrum. White people are morally superior and don't engage in genocide. I know that's foreign to jews who are amoral vindictive sewer goblins. Being a schizo psychopath isn't a good thing no matter how many baby dicks your good book tells you to suck.
The only viable invasion route into Russia for the West is through Western Europe... which was occupied by Germany at the time.
So where was the economic sanctions then? The shipping blockades? You don't condemn one person and praise another for the same action unless you have ulterior motives.
And then in 1945 you have the obvious issues of a worn-out West with problems of its own (like the fact the UK was bankrupted to the point the entire Royal Navy got sent to the scrapyards) and Stalin being politically smart in how he occupied Eastern Europe.
Or you have communists and jews conspiring behind the scenes. Just ask Patton how he felt about the war before they killed him.
 
Hehe, if I put "wignats" in snark-quotes and pretend this isn't about white nationalism but about a little old lady, I can No-True-Scotsman my way out of it! That'll show him!
Don't play dumb. You deleted your post about how white people need to be bloodthirsty and violent for its own sake. I replied, "no, that's retarded nigger behavior that will ultimately get you killed, and violence should be used prudently. Fight smarter, not harder."
Europe doesn't have decades. if you think it's just about trannies, feminism, etc. it does. not if you want to enact Nuremburg Laws against the nonwhites and mass deportations.
Europe is a lost cause. They made their bed, now they can lie in it.

Like many others, I am fighting the current war before me. America is damaged, but still salvageable. Please don't get in my way by giving my enemies propaganda material.
Why do you keep "mUh maStEr rAce"-posting?
Says the username "Last True Aryan". Again, don't play dumb. You think you're some big and bad viking warrior, but somehow can't stop losing when it matters the most.
aren't you larping that you ideologically agree with us but just have pragmatic disagreements?
Sort of, except it's not a larp. You had your chance to accomplish our common goal; then you got a big dick and tripped over it. Nazism did more long-term harm to white people than Jews ever have.

You were right about the Judeo-Bolsheviks, Rothschilds, and degenerates like Hirschfield. Where you fucked up is when you decided to extend your anger to innocents who were not in league with them. Moshe the milkman, Simon the shopkeeper, and Piotrek the plumber were minding their own business.

And before you say, "but they and their Jewlings *could* have been subverting us!": collective presumption of guilt is uncivilized psychopath behavior. Advanced white societies by the 1930s already had largely encoded the presumption of innocence.

It seems like your Saul Alinsky entryist tactics are more being used for entering white nationalist spaces and subverting them to be about "Clown World" and the wokesters.
So why not adopt entryism yourselves? It seems to be working quite well for our common enemy. You could learn something from the Rules for Radicals.

Or are you too impatient or high-and-mighty for a long-term winning strategy? Or is it too much to ask that you drop your atavistic attachment to a defeated ideology that is now politically suicidal?
Just to be clear, my own beliefs are agnostic on most of this issue. But revisionists are concerned with the claims of gas chambers, primarily Auschwitz. No one cares that Jews got shot in the East, if it were restricted to just that the suffering of Jews in WW2 wouldn't be used as a cudgel like it is today.
And that's why revisionists are stupid. Their fixation on the gas chambers is missing the point. Not everyone who died was gassed, and the other ways they died don't make it any better.

Sure, you're gonna get Jussie Smollett tall tales like the skin lamps and masturbation machines, but that's par for the course in any historical event. Similarly, there are no shortage of people who are in the military during wartime who claim they were in combat when they weren't. Some people lying doesn't mean it didn't happen.
There is no conundrum. White people are morally superior
The Nazis claimed to be physically, mentally, martially, and genetically superior. Morality had nothing to do with it. You don't get to build an ideology on "might is right, and we are the mightiest, therefore we are right", then claim a moral victory when you lose.
and don't engage in genocide.
Tell that to an Injun or any former European colony. Or are you gonna give me another No True Scotsman about how they weren't actually white?
Racial autism?
Don't play dumb. You know all about Himmler's moronic notion that Germans are the simultaneously Thuleans and ancient pajeets called Aryans.
What is a white-adjacent person exactly?
Slavs, Italians, Greeks, Czechs, even some Jews. The neighbors that the Germans decided were subhuman for looking slightly different.
Lmao vindictive brother war? What does that even mean.
'Sure they were already doing something but you aren't allowed to defend yourself unless jews say it's ok"
"Nein, Kinder, das neighbors of glorious Deutschland hate her for no reason! Nein, Juden Kinder, ve were not gassing and mowing down your sons 20 years earlier (but ist good that ve did!)".
 
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this isn't about white nationalism but about a little old lady
You clearly know nothing about Ursula Haverbeck. She's a celebrity in Germany among white nationalists. White nationalists have been her support, her media, even her defense lawyer is a longtime white nationalist.
You deleted your post about how white people need to be bloodthirsty and violent for its own sake
I did no such thing. I didn't make any post like that and I haven't deleted any posts I've made so far since making this account. I can't tell if you're genuinely schizo, this is some misunderstanding, or you've just given up and have started shitposting.
Europe is a lost cause. They made their bed, now they can lie in it.

Like many others, I am fighting the current war before me. America is damaged, but still salvageable. Please don't get in my way by giving my enemies propaganda material.
This sounds like a larp
Says the username "Last True Aryan". Again, don't play dumb. You think you're some big and bad viking warrior, but somehow can't stop losing when it matters the most.
I'm NS, I'm a white nationalist. I'm not playing dumb. No I don't larp like a badass viking who will endlessly, that's retarded, that's what I meant by the "mUh maStEr rAce"-posting. It's surface-level understanding of National Socialism that a lefty has. "hmmm guess you're not the ubermensch then getting dominated by all these jews" wow my entire ideology just got btfo'd epic style. it's like when people make comments about how Hitler didn't have blonde hair as if this is somehow a biting critique of the Third Reich.
You were right about the Judeo-Bolsheviks, Rothschilds, and degenerates like Hirschfield. Where you fucked up is when you decided to extend your anger to innocents who were not in league with them. Moshe the milkman, Simon the shopkeeper, and Piotrek the plumber were minding their own business.
This is so retarded. You have no understanding of the Jewish Question. It's not that Jews are all in on some highly-coordinated top-down conspiracy as much as Jews are a separate race with their own group interests and they instinctively all act on it, the same as some other immigrant groups do in Western nations except Jews are way more effective at it because there's a massive stigma (even in Hitler's day there was a stigma) on simply pointing them out as a separate race. These discussions were had not just by National Socialists but by a lot of Europeans in the 19th century onwards, as it was just an observable fact that Jews worked against the interests of their host nations wherever they were emancipated. Even in everyday social situations Jews didn't assimilate, it wasn't an observation only politicized people had, there was a cultural awareness of there being a problem that needed to be resolved.
A lot of your post reads like you're just shitposting because it's so dumb and melodramatic.
Moshe the milkman
I giggled btw
And before you say, "but they and their Jewlings *could* have been subverting us!": collective presumption of guilt is uncivilized psychopath behavior. Advanced white societies by the 1930s already had largely encoded the presumption of innocence.
Again it's not about guilt in some organized conspiracy. obviously there are lots of Jews who are involved in organized Jewish activity against the interests of the nation (e.g. the ADL in America). But the Jewish Question isn't restricted to that. It's about all Jews. The Nazis weren't maniacs about this. They made distinctions between Jews, mischlings (first and second degree), and Germans with partial Jewish ancestry. And they didn't want Jews having any influence in their society anymore, and wanted to incentivize them to leave. That's exactly what we're going to do to the other immigrant groups if we get power. Nothing to do with guilt. Remigration is a necessity.
 
Yes you're right noone cares considering
No, no one cares full stop. There was nothing unusual about it. It's not that people just don't care about the 1+million Germans killed after the war, they don't care about any of the mass shootings and atrocities on any of the sides of that conflict from 80 years ago. The only people who pretend to care are people trying to weaponize fake ethnic grievances, and it's seen transparently as being self-serving bs by anyone who doesn't have a stake in it (e.g. how other Europeans think of Polish people complaining about Germans today, or Serbs crying about the Ustaše, etc.).
The "Holocaust" is different because it's "unique".
The Holocaust narrative is about the use of gas chambers, crematoria, and the scale and efficiency of modern industrial machinery to coordinate a genocide. You can find a ton of quotes on this because we've all heard it before dozens of times, it's part of the official propaganda, but here's one from Raul Hilberg.
"The Holocaust stands alone in human history as the archetype of absolute evil... It is unique not only because it was the first industrial mass murder, but because the machinery of destruction used was employed solely for the purpose of exterminating entire populations deemed undesirable by the Nazi regime."
And it's literally enforced under the law that you have to accept its uniqueness. If you compare treatment of the Jews to treatment of the Poles to make the argument that the "Holocaust" was nothing unique, that's called "trivialization" and is illegal in many European countries. It's also officially deemed "antisemitic" according to EU institutions (and many nation states, even some states in the US) to compare the actions of Israel today to the nazis, using the IHRA definition of antisemitism. But you're a zionist so I guess you agree with that.
He did act, that's why he expulsed the jews from Germany.
Yeah I'm pretty agnostic about the gas chamber claims which is why I find the rest of the story far more interesting. The anti-semitic laws and plans prior to the war have hardly any contested history, and those laws can be realistically be argued for politically today, applied to all foreigners living in Europe. For instance I regularly argue for equivalent laws to the Nuremburg Laws, stripping citizenship from foreigners but being realistic about mixed race people. I'm obviously not willing to argue for gassing them (although I've been willing to say at the end of the day we should "shoot the boats" just to make a point when lefties are disingenuously, stubbornly claiming we somehow can't stop people invading Europe by other means)
There is no conundrum. White people are morally superior and don't engage in genocide. I know that's foreign to jews who are amoral vindictive sewer goblins. Being a schizo psychopath isn't a good thing no matter how many baby dicks your good book tells you to suck.
This is why I hate the argument from people who say we shouldn't be connected to our homelands and should be fine with becoming a diaspora people like Jews. The Jewish character is fundamentally ugly and it will be horrible if we're changed into becoming conniving, self-serving, nepotistic, insular people parasitising off other nations and having no home of our own. Jews are ironically one of the most racist peoples and anyone who interacts with them sees it.
 
Standard delousing.

224k tops, and due to disease.

Even if it did happen, they deserved it.
Over 20 million Soviet citizens died as a direct and indirect result of Germany's invasion. I get it, man. You hate white people. That's cool and all but I got to disagree with your poor comprehension of history.
 
@Last True Aryan

Even though your ideology and everything you posted is about expelling nonwhites and removing all nonwhite influence from Europe, I've run out of arguments so I'm just going to call you brown
"only brown people are racist, if you're racist you're a nigger" I've heard this tactic comes from discord or something. I accept your concession.
 
Most White people aren't NS because they know what Hitler did to Europe

It's always the Indians who seem to stan it on the Internet

Show hand saar, do the needful
Most White people aren't Nationalist so your point is moot. And if you're a European Nationalist you're going to have to put aside the anti-German shit seeing as they're the most powerful and important nation in Europe.
I'm not spergy about Hitler, if you don't like Hitler then fine. I still think he's the greatest European leader of the modern era by far, and a lot of Nationalists feel the same way and take inspiration from his words and what he was able to achieve, even though it ended in calamity, which no one denies (read Hitler's last testament).
It's dishonest to pretend natsocs in 2024 are thinking about how Germany should annex part of Russia or dominate Poland or whatever other fearmongering crap people with fake ethnic grievances against Germany want to bring up. Natsocs obviously view the war as a Nationalist order in Europe fighting against both liberalism and communism as destructive anti-nationalist forces. You can disagree, but that's how a lot of Nationalists are gonna see it so you should get over it. Most people can look beyond fake ethnic grievances dishonest actors use to divide Europeans. There were people flying Black Sun flags openly in the black bloc portion of the Independence March in Warsaw just last week. Get over it. WW2 was 80 years ago.
 
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> Muslim bringing up child rape for no reason whatsoever

I believe that's what we call a "Mohammed Moment." You will never be white, habibi. Stop lying to us and yourself.
There's your obsession with brown guys again, I'm sorry your ugly boyfriend isn't satisfying you.
Nazism did more long-term harm to white people than Jews ever have.
Lmao, when you can't not pretend to be a JIDF agent.
You were right about the Judeo-Bolsheviks, Rothschilds, and degenerates like Hirschfield. Where you fucked up is when you decided to extend your anger to innocents who were not in league with them. Moshe the milkman, Simon the shopkeeper, and Piotrek the plumber were minding their own business.
He said in a thread with jews defending Jewish terrorism that actively sought out to kill people and decrying bombings that didnt.
And before you say, "but they and their Jewlings *could* have been subverting us!": collective presumption of guilt is uncivilized psychopath behavior. Advanced white societies by the 1930s already had largely encoded the presumption of innocence.
"If I pretend historical fact didn't happen I can invent a hypothetical to make you look silly"
So why not adopt entryism yourselves? It seems to be working quite well for our common enemy. You could learn something from the Rules for Radicals.
"Just be more Jewish, do things like jews, sure you'll give up your moral and ethical standards but you'll do more of what i want you to do"
And that's why revisionists are stupid. Their fixation on the gas chambers is missing the point. Not everyone who died was gassed, and the other ways they died don't make it any better.
"Sure we made up gas chambers and you proved that, but forget that point focus on our new fake point instead" I'll just focus on the truth myself. It's a lot easier.
Sure, you're gonna get Jussie Smollett tall tales like the skin lamps and masturbation machines, but that's par for the course in any historical event.
"Yeah we didn't vet any of our own propaganda because it's really not important, what is important is you believe our lies NOW"
Similarly, there are no shortage of people who are in the military during wartime who claim they were in combat when they weren't. Some people lying doesn't mean it didn't happen.
If you don't make any attempt to seperate truth from fiction, fact from propaganda, then you have no ground to stand on when people make you prove every attempted assertion you make. So again where are the autopsy reports that showed a single jew was ever gassed?
The Nazis claimed to be physically, mentally, martially, and genetically superior. Morality had nothing to do with it. You don't get to build an ideology on "might is right, and we are the mightiest, therefore we are right", then claim a moral victory when you lose.
Yeah you can. Just like you can make shit up and pretend anyone cares.
Tell that to an Injun or any former European colony. Or are you gonna give me another No True Scotsman about how they weren't actually white?
You mean the Indians that lost several wars and were spared and claim their own sovereignty to this day? White men are so evil. Or the former colonies that still exist in the 21st century with full levels of modern technology given to them by the white man? Or the isolated tribes we let live their own lifestyles with our protection? Wow white people are mean.
Don't play dumb. You know all about Himmler's moronic notion that Germans are the simultaneously Thuleans and ancient pajeets called Aryans.
Why would I care about some guys theory of white people coming from ancient great civilizations?
Slavs, Italians, Greeks, Czechs, even some Jews. The neighbors that the Germans decided were subhuman for looking slightly different.
Were they subhuman because of their genetics or because of their actions?
"Nein, Kinder, das neighbors of glorious Deutschland hate her for no reason! Nein, Juden Kinder, ve were not gassing and mowing down your sons 20 years earlier (but ist good that ve did!)".
Hey look more being mad that Germany defended itself for no reason. I think you just hate germans. When do you start sperging about amalek?
It's not that Jews are all in on some highly-coordinated top-down conspiracy
Yeah that's why the world Jewish congress, aipac, adl, splc, etc don't exist.
Yeah I'm pretty agnostic about the gas chamber claims which is why I find the rest of the story far more interesting.
You shouldn't be, it's obvious lies. They even invented a gas chamber in dachau and then claimed they never even used it.
Over 20 million Soviet citizens died as a direct and indirect result of Germany's invasion. I get it, man. You hate white people. That's cool and all but I got to disagree with your poor comprehension of history.
"Why did the Germans force the Soviets to kill themselves like this" idk man why don't you ever assume any responsibility for communism?
 
There's your obsession with brown guys again, I'm sorry your ugly boyfriend isn't satisfying you.
I really just want to know why a Muslim brownoid would pretend to be white and Christian on the internet. Are you getting paid for this, or are you doing this for free?

Most White people aren't Nationalist so your point is moot. And if you're a European Nationalist you're going to have to put aside the anti-German shit seeing as they're the most powerful and important nation in Europe.
I'm not spergy about Hitler, if you don't like Hitler then fine. I still think he's the greatest European leader of the modern era by far, and a lot of Nationalists feel the same way and take inspiration from his words and what he was able to achieve, even though it ended in calamity, which no one denies (read Hitler's last testament).
It's dishonest to pretend natsocs in 2024 are thinking about how Germany should annex part of Russia or dominate Poland or whatever other fearmongering crap people with fake ethnic grievances against Germany want to bring up. Natsocs obviously view the war as a Nationalist order in Europe fighting against both liberalism and communism as destructive anti-nationalist forces. You can nitpick that, but given all of the sides were dirty, Nationalists in a lot of countries are obviously gonna sympathize with the side that's most ideologically aligned with Nationalism as the new order in Europe. Most people can look beyond fake ethnic grievances dishonest actors use to divide Europeans. There were people flying Black Sun flags openly in the black bloc portion of the Independence March in Warsaw just last week. Get over it. WW2 was 80 years ago.
Same question as above, why would a pajeet brownoid pretend to be white and Aryan on the internet?

inb4 "I'M HIGH CASTE INDIAN, WE ARE WHITE AND ARYAN, SAAR"
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