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A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
Oh no the chickens are for eggs and company as they are oddly precious.

Honestly goats cheese is super easy, we had a little dairy and we used to make butter and goats cheese and provide local milk. Heat 2 gallons up in a pot to 170 f and then cool add 1 cup of vinegar and drain into a cheese cloth. Suspend it to drain and it takes about 2 hours, chuck some fresh herbs on the top and you are good to go. Which reminds me in the summer I have to try making jam, I was really close to getting some bees to help the local plants but life demanded attention.

I have to say even though I work in the city I love living in the country. I think when me and the other half return to America, we'll settle in TN or WY just because the privacy you get out there. I have never wanted to leave so much but finishing my studies gives me a very comfortable pay grade. I know a lot of us in this thread are planning our escape.
 
If someone with better credentials can explain why this video is retarded to me, I'd appreciate it
Fag's a mixed race, mystery meat, dysgenic, mutoid mutt. End of. And he's grovelling for acceptance from his lib-white superiors, by parroting the socially approved position. Classic midwit (at best). Just looking at that thumbnail made me want to fling a brick at it.
 
I remain convinced the hope not hate types were an m15 op all along and that tommeh waxy-lemon is in on it too, their stories are always the same and they always have mysterious family backgrounds with suspicious links to overseas fun, worst example is that o9a/druid/mullah guy who flipped through about 9001 extremist ideologies cultivating dissent before he hit retirement age and poofed away.
Do actual dissents even exist, did they ever?
Lookup English defence league on companies house.
 
There isn't much empathy for why people who are anti-immigration actually arrived at that position. It is treated like a closed case. The nuance of being against mass immigration is lost on most commentators. It's all hand waved away by the types of people that: live in wealthy suburbs; have never been hard of money; work in jobs that are unaffected by undercutting; have only interacted with immigrants from members of the upper-middle class and of equal or better education than their own, and who simply have never experienced (and can't even pause to hear) the problems that someone who has been a victim of cultural clashes, religious persecution or who has valid concerns or counter experience to that world view, might raise.

People have been trying to discuss the problems with cultural 'softness' for years. If you can't even define (through a lack of education or otherwise) what your defining values are as a nation then how can you even consider robustly integrating people from different cultures? Let alone when 1% of the population enters the country every year. And now, in the 21st century, we have reached a point where certain minorities are told they can't walk in particular suburbs of cities like Berlin for threat of violence. This is after being told for years that 'so-called no go areas' were a myth and a conspiracy theory.

Denial of reality only lasts so long. These commentators that bury their head in the sand will only do so until they are forced into a position where they are made to experience the impact of the measures they defend.
 
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Right? I'm not British (thankfully), and I don't know much about the inner workings of British culture like say a British citizen would but all I kept thinking to myself was "Is it wrong to be patriotic?". Like you mentioned the taxi driver, my first thought was "seems like a normal take to have" but OT wants to shape it as "unsympathetic alcoholics who really loves shouting racial slurs at dinner parties".
There's a famous quote by Orwell that discusses this:
In intention, at any rate, the English intelligentsia are Europeanized. They take their cookery from Paris and their opinions from Moscow. In the general patriotism of the country they form a sort of island of dissident 
thought. England is perhaps the only great country whose intellectuals 
are ashamed of their own nationality. In left-wing circles it is always 
felt that there is something slightly disgraceful in being an Englishman 
and that it is a duty to snigger at every English institution, from horse 
racing to suet puddings. It is a strange fact, but it is unquestionably 
true that almost any English intellectual would feel more ashamed of 
standing to attention during ‘God save the King’ than of stealing from a 
poor box. All through the critical years many left-wingers were chipping 
away at English morale, trying to spread an outlook that was sometimes 
squashily pacifist, sometimes violently pro-Russian, but always
anti-British.

Orwell does, in the essay this quote originates, suggest reasons for this; the stagnation of the Empire, technological changes, a general distrust for intellectuals by the English ruling classes.

Of all, there is something be said of the last point. England's greatest minds have in ways been common sense types and sentimentalists, a mindset that does not appeal to intellectuals. Our philosophers, Hobbes, Locke, Hume, Mill, Spencer all have a spirit of compromise (though dogmatism lays beneath that superficially open surface). It is a fair to say liberalism was 'discovered' in England, as with Empiricism. We like the facts, not the speculation. We make do with what can see and live with what works. We allow for the discomfort of a humbled pride give way to comfort and common ground. I admit to finding most English philosophers a drudge to read for this reason.

Contrast this with German philosophy, which is more epic, more grand, more romantic, than anything English philosophy ever produced. There is no English Kant, no English Hegel, our philosophers do not concern philosophy- barring perhaps Berkeley- with big and final questions, which for the English are the answers for the individual to discover. We like to collect ideas, make up practical systems, and let the reader work out the rest. Even Hume, who seems nihilistic, has this spirit of conservativism, and there have been arguments that he was only suggesting what philosophy cannot do rather than revealing any metaphysical truth. He was no radical, preferring the company of Edmund Burke than Thomas Paine.

In modern philosophy, you can still see this mentality in Mary Midgley (a prominent critic of scientism), and in John Gray (a Millian liberal disguised as a Schopenhauerian). Scruton is an exception. His influences are all German, however, and he rarely refers English philosophy except to criticise. Michael Oakeshott reflects the English conservative tradition far better, for better and for worse.

We are, sometimes rightly, despised by other philosophers for this because it undermines the idea of a truth founded on humanist aspirations, for when someone says you are entitled to your opinion and I to mine, there is a hidden sneer involved, as though what one says does not really matter, that life is not to be taken seriously, that it should all be forgotten about. (Schopenhauer, who loved English culture, is the notable exception).

This is one of the compromises one must make to live in traditional English democracy, and it does not appeal to an intellectual for whom a supposed search for truth, a worship of ideas, of wishing to be right is a main drive. The common English intellectual would prefer the life and death battles you may have found in France or Soviet Russia than the secure, and ultimately stifling nature of English debate. AN Wilson said English intellectuals in 70s and 80s desired the English government to treat them like how the Soviets treated Solzhenitsyn. That way, they would have known how important they are.

Our state church, in the Via Media, also encouraged this need for compromise. There is no sense of absolutism and dogmatism (has any other Christian church be so indifferent to people disagreeing with its main tenets?) that is found in other denominations. If you are a little more Catholic, go high church; if you are a little more Evangelical, go low. However, never commit fully to one or the other. That is the reason John Wesley and John Henry Newman were unable to stay confided within its walls.

It is worth mentioning Newman. Of all men from the Victorian period, he is the one who least tied to his time while remaining so important to it. He seems this way because, well, he seems far more principled to his conscience, than he is with social manners and with the getting on with the world. He looked over the facts, followed his own reasoned argument, and out of principle and compassion, left his cushy number in the Church of England for ostracism. Catholic conversions happened often in England, but Newman’s conversion was of importance because it was not done out of a fear of death like Ben Jonson or marital needs like Graham Greene; Newman’s justification was well thought out, reasoned, and done intellectually. Even the opponents of Catholicism gave Newman their respect. Strachey’s Eminent Victorians, a book Orwell would be thinking about when writing of English-hating intellectuals, treats Newman with so much praise that it sticks out in a book that is hatred for everyone else. Joyce in Portrait declared Newman the greatest Englishman. Orwell felt English intellectuals had a soft spot for Catholicism simply because it was not the Church of England.

This liberal spirit is in our two greatest writers, Shakespeare, and Dickens, who, not by coincidence, are also the two greatest writers of character. The spirit of Shakespeare is a spirit of agnosticism. Shakespeare has his opinions but the reason he stays so widely read is because he gives every character his own say. There is no judging in Shakespeare, you are who you are when Shakespeare gives you a speech.

Dickens is the same. Chesterton described him as a real "democrat". Not in the political sense, but because Dickens thought every man as interesting:

Dickens then had this English feeling of a grotesque democracy. By that is more properly meant a vastly varying democracy. The intoxicating variety of men -- that was his vision and conception of human brotherhood. And certainly, it is a great part of human brotherhood. In one sense things can only be equal if they are entirely different.

That Shakespeare and Dickens are funny writers is also worth noting. Humour makes fools of everyone. When you make a good joke, you bring out a truth. Intellectuals are, barring the best like Joyce, not funny people. They are serious. They want to be taken seriously. If you do not take them seriously, well they may just die. A well-timed joke can kill any intellectual.

While many modern English intellectuals today are liberals, they are not of this carefree attitude, for that would be mistaking political thought for a spiritual feeling. One is liberal in attitude and practise, but not in politics. Political ideas are merely guises for power and status. Intellectuals today advocate for socially liberal policies because the masses do not. They support troons because it makes folks uncomfortable. There is no freedom in 'the new toryism'.

The English succeeded without intellectuals, and they hate it. Our Darwin is no Goethe, our Dickens no Proust, but we have done all right otherwise. We show the rule that a self-admiring intellectual may be on paper prove himself right, but in the general business of the world, he is ill fit. Thom Gunn put it best:

That though the mind has also got a place,
It’s not in marvelling at its mirrored face
 
There isn't much empathy for why people who are anti-immigration actually arrived at that position. It is treated like a closed case. The nuance of being against mass immigration is lost on most commentators. It's all hand waved away by the types of people that: live in wealthy suburbs; have never been hard of money; work in jobs that are unaffected by undercutting; have only interacted with immigrants from members of the upper-middle class and of equal or better education than their own, and who simply have never experienced (and can't even pause to hear) the problems that someone who has been a victim of cultural clashes, religious persecution or who has valid concerns or counter experience to that world view, might raise.

People have been trying to discuss the problems with cultural 'softness' for years. If you can't even define (through a lack of education or otherwise) what your defining values are as a nation then how can you even consider robustly integrating anyone? Let alone when 1% of the population enters the country every year. And now, in the 21st century, we have reached a point where certain minorities are told they can't walk in particular suburbs of cities like Berlin for threat of violence. This is after being told for years that 'so-called no go areas' were a myth and a conspiracy theory.

Denial of reality only lasts so long. These commentators that bury their head in the sand will only do so until they are forced into a position where they are made to experience the impact of the measures they defend.
During the brexit referendum I actually got into a decent conversation with someone who was anti-brexit giving out flyers. They weren't local at all from this area and had been shipped up from somewhere but I decide to have a polite talk with them over my and many other stance on mass immigration coming to the local area.

She had mentioned getting a rather frosty response from a lot of the whites so I decide to let her know why. I even pointed out the exact back alley some young white girl got raped down the week prior and just slipped in that one of the rapist was called Abdul. To her credit she seemed to kind of "get it" after that but I don't think I could have truly changed her mind on why brexit at the time was necessary and why so many had hoped it would have reduced if not stopped mass immigration.

I honestly think a large part of why the anti-immigration movement can not catch on or be taken seriously is due to the "gammons" and how they tend to come across. Their not exactly subtle or explain their points all that well and tend to come off as thuggish.
 
The topic quickly turned to migration, where both agreed, almost instantly, that enough is enough and 'they' should be kicked out. 'they' have ruined Italy and milan with their 'antics' and how, once beautiful cities have fallen to 'them'. Both agreed that we will follow America and begin mass deportations.
This may make you laugh but I had a similar conversation with a Romanian
waitress
recently
 
His influences are all German, however, and he rarely refers English philosophy except to criticise.
I think this is a wider feature of academia, especially in the 'soft-science' faculties that have helped produce and promote the gender identity movement and critical social justice. An overabundance of praise or criticism will lead to dogmatism. The idea that the history of Britain is exclusively negative, that the British have been a solely negative force in the world, that we have nothing to be proud of and should accept the daily flagellation of our cultural heritage as punishment for the sins of (some of) our ancestors appears to be a prominent idea that is rarely challenged. History is usually a bit more complicated than black and white distinctions. What is true now is that we live in a better environment than any of our ancestors did, due in large part to their actions over many generations to secure it.

There are reasons why people want to live in the UK. However, we now have key features of what has made UK society attractive and a success (free speech and expression being the main example) under threat and without a sounding of supportive voices in its defense. Chipping away at the foundations of a successful society will lead to its collapse or regression at some point. It's just a matter of time.

Case and point. This complete hand waving response from The News Agents on the recent police visit to Allison Pearson, a journalist for the Telegraph, on account of a Tweet that she posted and deleted over a year ago. The police wouldn't even explain who the accuser was. People went to prison over social media posts following the riots. And yet, certain individuals like Nick Lowles of Hope Not Hate were free to amplify misinformation and face zero consequences. Is it really a mystery why the two-tier police state 'narrative' has gained traction?

Clip from the News Agents.

L/A

In other news, another partly recorded exchange where a member of the group Fair Cop was questioned by police for a Tweet that 'caused offense' and turned the law back on the police officers attempting to take him to the station.


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In other news, another partly recorded exchange where a member of the group Fair Cop was questioned by police for a Tweet that 'caused offense' and turned the law back on the police officers attempting to take him to the station.
It's like a sketch from Not The Nine O'Clock News...
 
What is true now is that we live in a better environment than any of our ancestors did, due in large part to their actions over many generations to secure it.
The final lines to Eliot's Middlemarch will suffice.
But the effect of her being on those around her was incalculably diffusive: for the growing good of the world is partly dependent on unhistoric acts; and that things are not so ill with you and me as they might have been is half owing to the number who lived faithfully a hidden life, and rest in unvisited tombs.
I mean, look at something as simple as the Samaritans. The founder, Rev. Chad Varah, once took a funeral for a fourteen-year old girl who committed suicide because she believed she had contracted an STD (she was menstruating). Facing her grave, he told her, "Little girl, I didn't know you, but you have changed the rest of my life for good," and he vowed that day to do all he could for people who were contemplating suicide. The Samaritans has done a lot good since, that can't be doubted.

Is that done in spite of the English character or because of it? Certain people have you think that the English have done no good, but our history is full of countless example of strange, eccentric, individuals trying to do their best. We should be grateful for what good others have done for us. Perhaps the reason a man like Varah thrived was because a certain aspect of our country allowed people like that to flourish. Perhaps the reason we have intellectuals who despise their own country is for a similar reason.
The idea that the history of Britain is exclusively negative, that the British have been a solely negative force in the world, that we have nothing to be proud of and should accept the daily flagellation of our cultural heritage as punishment for the sins of (some of) our ancestors appears to be a prominent idea that is rarely challenged.
I recently talked to a Middle Eastern lady about this. I asked what specifically had the British Empire done wrong that you couldn't find anywhere else. She brought up Algiers.

People who tend to think in black & white tend also to know the least. The Empire did some bad, certainly, but it certainly did some good, and I am glad it existed, for there has been far worse empires. The Empire doesn't stir me. I do not sing its praises. I like the Zulu film and that is about it, but I am not to going to pretend to be sorry for something that, judging by the standards of human nature, has done far more good than ill.
 
I can have empathy for them and not want them here. They’re not mutually exclusive positions.
Indeed. And one can even disagree based on what is the most effective method to help people. The government seized a student hall of residence for the next nine years to house, 700 migrants was it? The cost of that will be many millions. Such sums could provide food and shelter for many times the same amount of people in their native countries. For example.

AN Wilson said English intellectuals in 70s and 80s desired the English government to treat them like how the Soviets treated Solzhenitsyn. That way, they would have known how important they are.
I have to say your post was a sterling piece of work and the above line in particular made me laugh.

A well-timed joke can kill any intellectual.
I believe this to be true.
 
This may make you laugh but I had a similar conversation with a Romanian
waitress
recently
Even immigrants don't always want more immigration. Many want to bring their families, friends, and "clans" here, but some have a different mindset.
Some of them realize the differences in races and would prefer to live among white people.
Immigrants mostly work low-skill/low-wage jobs and do not want other immigrants stealing them.
Immigrants are aware of the fact that if too many of them come here to live on benefits, there is a higher chance that the native whites will rise up and kick them out.
Being the only black in a community must have advantages, some women will view you as exotic and different and want to sleep with you, you can also get jobs like acting in adverts easily because your the only nigger in the area. people will want to be friends with you in order to prove they're not racist because they've been misled into thinking that makes them morally superior to those who are.
Niggers generally lower the quality of life of other niggers, which is why there isn't a single pleasant African country. they drive up crime rates in all categories and even attack each other while giving each other a bad reputation.
I'm sure you could continue identifying more reasons why some blacks don't want more immigration, but you get the point, and the fact of the matter is, is that most aren't intelligent enough/self-aware enough to have those views.
 
Even immigrants don't always want more immigration. Many want to bring their families, friends, and "clans" here, but some have a different mindset.
Some of them realize the differences in races and would prefer to live among white people.
Immigrants mostly work low-skill/low-wage jobs and do not want other immigrants stealing them.
Immigrants are aware of the fact that if too many of them come here to live on benefits, there is a higher chance that the native whites will rise up and kick them out.
Being the only black in a community must have advantages, some women will view you as exotic and different and want to sleep with you, you can also get jobs like acting in adverts easily because your the only nigger in the area. people will want to be friends with you in order to prove they're not racist because they've been misled into thinking that makes them morally superior to those who are.
Niggers generally lower the quality of life of other niggers, which is why there isn't a single pleasant African country. they drive up crime rates in all categories and even attack each other while giving each other a bad reputation.
I'm sure you could continue identifying more reasons why some blacks don't want more immigration, but you get the point, and the fact of the matter is, is that most aren't intelligent enough/self-aware enough to have those views.
I moved to Texas a few years ago, and it was kind of funny to learn that some of the most vehement, almost virulently anti immigrant people are other Mexicans. More specifically it's the ones who spent the time/money/effort to get here legally who are absolutely sick of all the border hopping faggots causing shit and giving them all a bad name. I know a couple who even switched churches because they were fed up with their original one spending more on helping illegals than the people already in their community.
 
I moved to Texas a few years ago, and it was kind of funny to learn that some of the most vehement, almost virulently anti immigrant people are other Mexicans. More specifically it's the ones who spent the time/money/effort to get here legally who are absolutely sick of all the border hopping faggots causing shit and giving them all a bad name. I know a couple who even switched churches because they were fed up with their original one spending more on helping illegals than the people already in their community.
Think Trump will be able to finish that wall in the next 4 years?
I imagine many Mexicans are genuinely fleeing persecution from the cartels and shit, but it's not Americans job to look after them, and I can say that as a Manx man. when the people who could fix the country have the far easier option of just fleeing it, then it'll remain a shit country with a Jewish woman illegitimately as president.
 
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