Dragon Age: The Veilguard - A woke disaster? Yep!

[Mola Ram]

wasn't Juhani's lesbian romance dummied out of the released version (along with like 80% of her content)? I think the actual first gay romance in a BioWare game was in Jade Empire, iirc Silk Fox is bisexual (though on the other hand, if you play your cards right you can actually have a threesome in that game with a male PC, the straight female love interest, and Silk Fox).

It's not completely dummied out, but it is notoriously difficult to trigger, since you have to speak to her at very specific moments in terms of leveling and finding Star Maps, and if you miss even one conversation on that chain it disappears forever. There's never a kiss or fade to black, but she does make her feelings for you known at the peak of the Rakatan Temple after you confront Bastila and affirm your commitment to the light side of the Force.

LucasArts absolutely put the kibosh on the relationship (remember this is a decade or so before the Disney purchase), which is why it's so low-key and easy to miss. BioWare of the time was very proud they snuck in as much of it as they did, which, in hindsight, was indeed a warning sign of how bad things could get.

 

[Tor Lugosi]

It's not completely dummied out, but it is notoriously difficult to trigger, since you have to speak to her at very specific moments in terms of leveling and finding Star Maps, and if you miss even one conversation on that chain it disappears forever. There's never a kiss or fade to black, but she does make her feelings for you known at the peak of the Rakatan Temple after you confront Bastila and affirm your commitment to the light side of the Force.

LucasArts absolutely put the kibosh on the relationship (remember this is a decade or so before the Disney purchase), which is why it's so low-key and easy to miss. BioWare of the time was very proud they snuck in as much of it as they did, which, in hindsight, was indeed a warning sign of how bad things could get.

ah, i just remember there being mods to enable it (along with a ton of other content for her), maybe they were just for enabling more explicit scenes for it

 

[Mola Ram]

ah, i just remember there being mods to enable it (along with a ton of other content for her), maybe they were just for enabling more explicit scenes for it

If there's anything explicit it's probably fan-created and not restored content; nothing in KOTOR is especially explicit -- BioWare was still years away from doing bare butts in Mass Effect and sex with the underwear on in Dragon Age. I'd guess it's more dialogue, making sure her romance lines don't vanish, and fixing her very buggy personal quest. I don't remember the details, but I feel like there was confirmation at some point that Juhani was nearly cut from the game entirely (and as it is, you can kill her instead of recruiting her).

 

[SmugAutist]

We're going to be milking this game for years at this rate.

Are we? I remember back when ME3 came out the backlash lasted for months, even years. News, opinions, and editorials about the game were shat out of the internet asshole nonstop. It was so massive that it could even fill half of an Indian street. For Veilguard? Not so much. This game is already in the rear view mirror, barely even talked about. It made a fart alright, and a smelly one at that, but not many people noticed and far less people even listened.

Bioware is just a shadow of what it once was. Their relevance has long since passed.

 

[Frosted Snowflakes]

Kenneth Shephard of Kotaku (more like Kenneth Soytard) is soy-butthurt that Dragon Age: The Veilguard is not Game of the Year for this year's The Game Awards. So he made a clickbait article about it.

 

[Snekposter]

Are we? I remember back when ME3 came out the backlash lasted for months, even years. News, opinions, and editorials about the game were shat out of the internet asshole nonstop. It was so massive that it could even fill half of an Indian street. For Veilguard? Not so much. This game is already in the rear view mirror, barely even talked about. It made a fart alright, and a smelly one at that, but not many people noticed and far less people even listened.

Bioware is just a shadow of what it once was. Their relevance has long since passed.

We'll see. As far as I'm concerned what we've seen is just the tip of the iceberg's non-binary penis.

 

[Mola Ram]

Kenneth Shephard of Kotaku (more like Kenneth Soytard) is soy-butthurt that Dragon Age: The Veilguard is not Game of the Year for this year's The Game Awards. So he made a clickbait article about it.
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Uh huh.



You know what really tanked Veilguard's chances for awards? The fact that it's an atrocious lump of dogshit. Somehow the release date pales in comparison to that little datum.

 

[p1138]

Kenneth Shephard of Kotaku (more like Kenneth Soytard) is soy-butthurt that Dragon Age: The Veilguard is not Game of the Year for this year's The Game Awards. So he made a clickbait article about it.
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If the game was so great, it shouldn't need more than a few weeks to earn it's place as game of the year while people do their initial play throughs of it. Hell, what would putting the awards off for another month even accomplish? More people realizing it's dogshit once it goes on sale for 30% off on black friday or whatever? And even if they did it in January, so what then it would have the same effect on games released in December.

The fucking cope...

 

[LecherousGranolaBar]

Kenneth Shephard of Kotaku (more like Kenneth Soytard) is soy-butthurt that Dragon Age: The Veilguard is not Game of the Year for this year's The Game Awards. So he made a clickbait article about it.
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Did it miss VGA eligibility? It got the pity nom with the best accessibility category after all. If anything the game coming out so close to the VGAs should give it an advantage in terms of recency bias.

But be real; if they let the year finish out and then did the noms, what would change? Maybe Stalker breaks in a bit but Veilguard isn't getting any more noms. Game is just straight ass.

 

[BlankSpaceBaby]

The very existence of this game is to win awards. Bushyhead and Weekes live to experience the day when they can hold the award in their hands and realize, at last, troons and enbies are finally acknowledged as the supreme master race or something. This also means that their much-mocked game is IMPORTANT.

So, without even that, just a nomination for the Game Most Accesible to Retards or something, they now have to live with the crushing realization that their game does not matter. They do not matter. Troons and enbies do not matter. They are nothing. NOTHING!!!!

Muahahahaha!!!!!!!!

 

[Foltest]

Kenneth Shephard of Kotaku (more like Kenneth Soytard) is soy-butthurt that Dragon Age: The Veilguard is not Game of the Year for this year's The Game Awards. So he made a clickbait article about it.
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Discarding Dragon Age Veilguard (because it is shit), he is right about the game awards shouldn't be in dec.
There is a reason why the Oscars are a few months after the previous years has ended.
Anyway, Trannyguard would still not win as it blow.

 

[ZMOT]

Discarding Dragon Age Veilguard (because it is shit), he is right about the game awards shouldn't be in dec.
There is a reason why the Oscars are a few months after the previous years has ended.
Anyway, Trannyguard would still not win as it blow.

it doesn't really matter if the eligibility period includes the december past it (didn't check but I assume it does). most games also come out around the end of november for the christmas sale period.

 

[Megatardingo]

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You know your headcanon is wrong when you need 20 pages to defend how a paragraph didn't debunk it.

 

[Oliver Onions]

Did it miss VGA eligibility? It got the pity nom with the best accessibility category after all. If anything the game coming out so close to the VGAs should give it an advantage in terms of recency bias.

I wondered this too, since I believe in the past games released in one year haven't been nominated til the following year's awards, but the fact it got the slow bus nomination for innovations in catering to spastics suggests it must have been eligible.

I have two theories: one is that they deliberately didn't nominate it as a bit of 4D chess to prove the awards/industry isn't corrupt or Geoff Keighley is low-key based and just thought it would be funny.

 

[Mola Ram]

I wondered this too, since I believe in the past games released in one year haven't been nominated til the following year's awards, but the fact it got the slow bus nomination for innovations in catering to spastics suggests it must have been eligible.

I have two theories: one is that they deliberately didn't nominate it as a bit of 4D chess to prove the awards/industry isn't corrupt or Geoff Keighley is low-key based and just thought it would be funny.

The last day for eligibility was November 22. That's yesterday as of this posting. Veilguard had nearly the entire month of November, plus whatever time reviewers had with advance copies, to knock 'em dead.

Veilguard wasn't nominated for GOTY or Best RPG or any award anyone cares about because it's absolutely putrid. And when compared against previous installments from the same franchise -- even the rushed DA2 or the bloated DAI -- it's like comparing a glass of fine wine to a Styrofoam coffee cup full of rank hobo piss.

It's just a bad fuckin' game.

 

[Absolute Ego Dance]

Are we? I remember back when ME3 came out the backlash lasted for months, even years. News, opinions, and editorials about the game were shat out of the internet asshole nonstop. It was so massive that it could even fill half of an Indian street. For Veilguard? Not so much. This game is already in the rear view mirror, barely even talked about. It made a fart alright, and a smelly one at that, but not many people noticed and far less people even listened.

Bioware is just a shadow of what it once was. Their relevance has long since passed.

Mass Effect 3	Dragon Age: The Veilguard
The plot sucks	The writing sucks
The characters we loved weren't given the appearances they deserved	The characters we loved have been changed beyond recognition
Some of the new characters aren't very interesting	Most of the new characters are utterly insufferable
Too many dialogue options have been removed	All of the dialogue options amount to the same thing
Fuck you, fans of Mass Effect	Fuck you, fans of western civilisation
Our past decisions didn't make a meaningful difference	Our past decisions weren't even acknowledged
What we got was inadequate	What we got was dull
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[LecherousGranolaBar]

I wondered this too, since I believe in the past games released in one year haven't been nominated til the following year's awards, but the fact it got the slow bus nomination for innovations in catering to spastics suggests it must have been eligible.

I have two theories: one is that they deliberately didn't nominate it as a bit of 4D chess to prove the awards/industry isn't corrupt or Geoff Keighley is low-key based and just thought it would be funny.

I dont think they didnt nominate it on purpose. 2024 is actually a pretty heavy hitting year for games, especially RPGs. Unless you're genuinely retarded you're not gonna give props to veilguard when FF7 Rebirth, Metaphor, Infinite Wealth, P3 Reloaded or hell even Dragons Dogma 2. Regardless of the shortcomings of those games, they're leagues above Veilguard And you're definitely not giving it a GOTY slot over Black Myth or Astro or Balatro. It certainly can't grab Art Direction or any of those other categories it failed to get put into aswell. Its just shit and even the shill awards can't pretend its anything else.

The only thing its fit for is the short bus categories like the one it got nommed for or that retarded Games for Impact category. Dorito Pope copped enough shit for nominating Erdtree for GOTY as well so I don't think he wants multiple headaches to deal with this year.

 

[Waifuchu]

Kenneth Shephard of Kotaku (more like Kenneth Soytard) is soy-butthurt that Dragon Age: The Veilguard is not Game of the Year for this year's The Game Awards. So he made a clickbait article about it.
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Kenneth Shepard? Huh. That name sounds vaguely familiar, I wonder what else he's-

Oh.

 

[Übertroon]

It's not completely dummied out, but it is notoriously difficult to trigger, since you have to speak to her at very specific moments in terms of leveling and finding Star Maps, and if you miss even one conversation on that chain it disappears forever. There's never a kiss or fade to black, but she does make her feelings for you known at the peak of the Rakatan Temple after you confront Bastila and affirm your commitment to the light side of the Force.

LucasArts absolutely put the kibosh on the relationship (remember this is a decade or so before the Disney purchase), which is why it's so low-key and easy to miss. BioWare of the time was very proud they snuck in as much of it as they did, which, in hindsight, was indeed a warning sign of how bad things could get.

Doesn't help that Juhani is easily the ugliest character in the game.
Making the Cathar less human looking was a big improvement in later games

 

[A Sentient Cloud]

She went from looking like a member of the Broadway cast of CATS to one of the characters from the movie version.