Greta Gustava Martela / Kjel Anderson & Nina Chaubal / Niraj Chaubal - Stole $350k+ from Trans Lifeline, kill count of 2+ from negligence, Founders of Sisterwood/La Zorra.

[Cthulu]

If he wasn't one before

He was

 

[ADN_VIII]

Powerlevel: I got a relative up to speed on this case, since he's a federal agent that operates closely with ICE in the course of his duties. He tells me that the split second Greta or Nina misses a hearing or summons is not only aneed immediate deportation order, as covered earlier, but likely to spark a further investigation on Greta since the proper marriage and immigration paperwork from the past had never been completed properly. He said, and I'm paraphrasing, that the current administration and the incoming administration are extremely unlikely to allow leeway in a case like this, since it's well known in the international community that India doesn't do pogroms or purges of trans people. If we were talking Iraq or Iran or Arabistan, that would be different since being anything but a heterosexual Muslim in those countries runs a strong risk of being thrown off a building or beheaded.

I would also add that India is already pretty tolerant of transsexuals in any decent sized city, and the country has a history of tolerating androgynous public dancers.

 

[BIG DADDY]

The sad thing is, if Greta doesn't leave Nina out to dry and actually fights for her legalization at this point, the reason will undoubtably be that he's trying to come up on top of his dispute with us. As someone said earlier, he has a very masculine (and childish) desire to "win" against anyone critical of him/his endeavors, and I think he will try very hard at this point to keep Nina in the country so that he can rub it in our faces.

Also, lol at Greta culling her supporters off. If I were a troll on her page, I'd be saying stuff like "signal boosting the shit out of this" and blabbering about whiteness checkpoints to egg her insanity on/delegitimize her viewpoints (sorta what Phil's posts do), not trying to give her constructive criticism.

 

[Cthulu]

Also, lol at Greta culling her supporters off. If I were a troll on her page, I'd be saying stuff like "signal boosting the shit out of this" and blabbering about whiteness checkpoints to egg her insanity on/delegitimize her viewpoints (sorta what Phil's posts do), not trying to give her constructive criticism.

 

[pirate holiday]

Something like "Chell." It's a Scandinavian name.

On that note, I wish I were clever enough to write a Greta parody ... "Norwegian Troon," after the Beatles song.

Gave it a shot call and response style.
(Greeda's lines in purple, Kiwi Chorus in green)

I say I'm a girl
A cow with a fake charity
So pretty you'll swoon
Aren't you a loon Norwegian troon?

My groupies are bae
Stupid and stunned all with dangerhair
They support my fund
As you REEEE and get rich off despair

I work hard to keep people alive
Answer your line
We need money from AZ we've fled
Leelah is dead

I told you I worked
Threatening Null's Mum? Don't make us laugh
Who is this Manapan?
Lizzy's wife and your very own /Baph/

ICE are all bigots Nina's alone
Pick up the phone
Don't call me a liar
Aren't you a goon Norwegian troon?

 

[Rokko]

So, english is not my first language, and I had a bit trouble understanding all that law-talk.
Am I understanding the situation right that basically nothing has changed except Nina is out of custody.
Still unrealistic that he can stay in the U.S.? Thanks!

 

[kcbbq]

Powerlevel: I got a relative up to speed on this case, since he's a federal agent that operates closely with ICE in the course of his duties. He tells me that the split second Greta or Nina misses a hearing or summons is not only aneed immediate deportation order, as covered earlier, but likely to spark a further investigation on Greta since the proper marriage and immigration paperwork from the past had never been completed properly. He said, and I'm paraphrasing, that the current administration and the incoming administration are extremely unlikely to allow leeway in a case like this, since it's well known in the international community that India doesn't do pogroms or purges of trans people. If we were talking Iraq or Iran or Arabistan, that would be different since being anything but a heterosexual Muslim in those countries runs a strong risk of being thrown off a building or beheaded.

I would also add that India is already pretty tolerant of transsexuals in any decent sized city, and the country has a history of tolerating androgynous public dancers.

We deport da homos to Iran all the time, pogrom or not.

 

[buffaloWildWings]

So, english is not my first language, and I had a bit trouble understanding all that law-talk.
Am I understanding the situation right that basically nothing has changed except Nina is out of custody.
Still unrealistic that he can stay in the U.S.? Thanks!

Big fat ogre lady cut off penis. Tiny fat donkey ogre cut off penis too.
Troll send picture of young boy penis and big fat ogre lady angry.
Show it to police? The gypsy tears are many when arrest.
Such is life in Amerikanskij gulag.

Serious summary: Nina is fucked. And not in a good way.

 

[bacterium]

So, english is not my first language, and I had a bit trouble understanding all that law-talk.
Am I understanding the situation right that basically nothing has changed except Nina is out of custody.
Still unrealistic that he can stay in the U.S.? Thanks!

Yes. They either paid to get Nina out, or let him out based on his word that he would show up.

He still has to go to court for it.

If he doesn't, he will have a warrant for his arrest and forfeit his bond money.

 

[AnOminous]

So, english is not my first language, and I had a bit trouble understanding all that law-talk.
Am I understanding the situation right that basically nothing has changed except Nina is out of custody.
Still unrealistic that he can stay in the U.S.? Thanks!

Pretty much. Government is likely to pursue deportation, while Nina pursues an asylum claim. If the money keeps flowing, and Nina doesn't fuck up again during the process, the asylum adjudication could take years from the initial decision (likely a deportation order) to the denial of the final appeal.

 

[GS 281]

Pretty much. Government is likely to pursue deportation, while Nina pursues an asylum claim. If the money keeps flowing, and Nina doesn't fuck up again during the process, the asylum adjudication could take years from the initial decision (likely a deportation order) to the denial of the final appeal.

Wouldn't the money flow need to be like in the 6 figures?

 

[keksz]

the asylum adjudication could take years

Could they pursue a green card meanwhile? With all this time I guess it would be more than enough to get the entire paperwork and protocol done and over with. Or can't a green card be issued for their marriage (once they have all the documents) while Nino's residency is in dispute elsewhere?

 

[ADN_VIII]

Wouldn't the money flow need to be like in the 6 figures?

Definitely. Five figures minimum if everything goes perfect and the case is resolved quickly. Six, maybe seven if it drags out.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

Wouldn't the money flow need to be like in the 6 figures?

Depends on the lawyer and how far it goes. If lets say Nina's CF is denied, or the eventual asylum claim is denied by an IJ you get into appeal territory and six figures then isn't out of the question when it gets that far into the weeds due to sheer time and complexity involved. But for the moment, given what we know about the case, I'm calling a $5,000- $10,000 retainer and then probably another $10,00o to $20,000 to get to and through the individual merit hearing, if they are lucky, everything is routine and nothing complex comes up pursuing the defensive asylum claim.

While we may hate the fact that Greta is using their irresponsibility to fundraise it also ensures no lawyer is going to give them a discount or do anything but expect a large retainer and high hourly rate for the case.

Another thing that I"m curious about. It does look like Greta bullshitted about the marriage being legal, I mean they might be but, her excuses about this matter don't add up at all. The fact she's pushing an asylum claim for Nina rather than pursuing a I-130 is a huge red flag to me. (Or maybe they will just wait and use it for another reason to ask for free money.)

But a lot of people have asked if Greta could be in any trouble for being with an "illegal" and the answer is no in almost all cases, except for this. If Greta did submit an application for a marriage VISA when they weren't actually legally married. To combat marriage immigration fraud they have clamped down hard on people submitting false marriage claims. This is the one thing that could actually get Greta in legit trouble (besides her IRS shit). Lying to Nina about the marriage is one thing, but lying to immigration about a marriage is another entirely and means criminal prosecution for fraud.

 

[August16]

@MirnaMinkoff

As expected, Chicago court date confirmed. Thoughts?

 

[AnOminous]

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@MirnaMinkoff

As expected, Chicago court date confirmed. Thoughts?

It's a reasonable enough venue. They have no particular reason to be particularly hardass about having the hearings near where Nina is a domiciliary. Contrary to all the troon shrieking, Nina is being treated as anyone else in this situation would be. Actually, many have been treated far worse.

 

[keksz]

So how tough on El Nino can we expect Chicago immigration judges to be compared to the ones in Arizona or California that have already been brought up?

 

[Luminous Being]

What kind of immigration lawyer they got is probably a big factor. If they went for some shrieking femmepower SJW kind of attorney (because they're sympathetic to their "cause" and offered to help for cheaper) that isn't liked by the local judiciary, I'd bet that would mean problems along the way. I don't know how prone prosecutors and judges are to try to trip you up if you or your lawyer are dickboats, but it's likely not unheard of.

If they went for someone respected (maybe even a *gasp* white hetero cismale) that costs good money, and if Greta and childwife shut the fuck up and leave ALL the talking to the lawyer that might give them a chance.

I do hope they went for the activist lawyer type. though. It would be infinitely funnier to see Greta tardrage about unfair judges and the transphoobic US gubmint!

 

[NQ 952]

So how tough on El Nino can we expect Chicago immigration judges to be compared to the ones in Arizona or California that have already been brought up?

It's a 50/50 shot at this point.

DiMarzio, Philip L. 187 claims, 4.3% approval, 95.7% denied
Zerbe, Craig M. 310 claims, 42.3% approval, 57.7% denied
Vinikoor, Robert D. 527 claims, 45.2% approval, 54.8% denied
Perez-Guzman, Virginia 346 claims, 55.5% approval, 44.5% denied
Giambastiani, Jennie L. 354 claimsm 56.2% approval, 43.8% denied
McNulty, Sheila 228 claims, 57.5% approval, 42.5% denied
Cuevas, Carlos 291 claims, 59.1% approval, 40.9% denied

sauce: http://trac.syr.edu/immigration/reports/447/include/denialrates.html

Side note: this sounds way more realistic in terms of fairness in evaluating asylum claims. While I'm rooting for the shitstain to get deported my primary concern is about TLL's failure to take calls and save lives. The research continues.

 

[AnOminous]

So how tough on El Nino can we expect Chicago immigration judges to be compared to the ones in Arizona or California that have already been brought up?

If the judge does anything but instantly grant El Nino full asylum plus a pony, they'll be shrieking transmisogyny the second the hearing ends.