Ursula Haverbeck (1928-2024): warrior for truth

https://www.heritageanddestiny.com/ursula-haverbeck-1928-2024-warrior-for-truth/ (A)
Posted on November 20, 2024 by admin978

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"The great German patriot, writer, publisher, and educator Ursula Haverbeck has died, less than a fortnight after her 96th birthday. The occupation government that calls itself the Federal Republic of Germany was seeking to jail Ursula right up to the instant of her death.

Though born in western Germany, Ursula was living in East Prussia as a young girl until it was overrun by Stalin’s Red Army, at which point she became a refugee, first in Sweden and then in the UK.

In 1963 she and her future husband Werner Haverbeck (a veteran national socialist academic) founded the Collegium Humanum – an educational institute based at their home in the northern German town of Vlotho.

This Collegium provided a wide range of educational and ideological training for several generations of Germans, with speakers including the intellectual founder of the modern European environmentalist movement, Dr E.F. Schumacher.

Ursula Haverbeck with fellow revisionist scholar Horst Mahler (now 8 who has also been jailed for his books and speeches on historical topics.​

In 1992 Ursula became active in an organisation seeking to build proper memorials for German civilian victims of the Second World War, whether victims of the terror-bombing campaign by the Western allies, or the campaign of mass rapes, murders and expulsions by their Soviet counterparts.

Though this might have been thought a simple acknowledgment of historical facts, Ursula attracted the hostile attention of German state authorities who wished to impose an authorised version of history.

Increasingly this state-imposed version of history has concentrated on criminalising any attempt to question the alleged ‘Holocaust’ of six million Jews in supposed homicidal gas chambers on the presumed orders of Adolf Hitler.

The inaugural Robert Faurisson International Prize was awarded to Ursula Haverbeck in 2019​

Historians, scientists and even lawyers who draw attention to serious evidential problems with the orthodox ‘Holocaust’ narrative were first demonised and driven out of their jobs, then criminalised, and increasingly subjected to long jail sentences.

Ursula herself was first fined for this invented thought-crime of ‘Holocaust denial’ – defined in Germany as Volksverhetzung, or ‘public incitement’ – in 2004. Almost ten years ago, as her revisionist activities continued, Professor Robert Faurisson noted that “at her own risk and peril, a great German lady has publicly opened the black box of ‘the Holocaust’. She has done so in the country which, along with Austria, is the most ruthless in Europe against historical revisionism.”

In 2019, three months after the Professor’s death, Ursula was awarded the inaugural Robert Faurisson International Prize at a ceremony in Vichy organised by the Italian tenor and revisionist campaigner Joe Fallisi. The prize was accepted on her behalf by her Berlin lawyer Wolfram Nahrath, because Ursula herself was by that time imprisoned.

Ursula Haverbeck with her friends and fellow campaigners Dr Rigolf Hennig (1935-2022) and Lady Michèle Renouf.​

During the last twenty years of her life, Ursula was repeatedly dragged into court, despite her advancing years, for the ‘crime’ of asking politely worded questions about ‘Holocaust’ history in letters to academics, politicians, and other public figures; for writing historical articles in magazines; and more recently for the ‘crime’ of answering questions in an online video interview.

From May 2018 until November 2020 Ursula served two and a half years in prison for such ‘crimes’, and in April 2022 she was sentenced to a further 12 months imprisonment.

Appeals against this sentence were turned down, and further cases continued this year in Hamburg. Right up until her death, Ursula was awaiting imprisonment – the main obstacle for the courts was finding a prison (even a prison hospital) that had appropriate facilities for a lady in her mid-90s!

Ursula Haverbeck with her indefatigable lawyer Wolfram Nahrath.​

Even in death, Ursula is feared by our enemies worldwide: less than two weeks ago, to give just one example, YouTube banned an H&D video that had been posted to mark her 96th birthday – although this video was simply an excerpt of an interview with Ursula that had been broadcast on a mainstream German television channel!

The good news – which Ursula knew and celebrated – is that this censorship is visibly failing. New generations of European patriots and intellectuals are challenging the lies that have been imposed on our continent for almost eighty years.

H&D will continue to honour Ursula’s legacy: an obituary will appear in our next edition.

Ursula’s campaign for historical truth has spread across Europe.
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[Jacques1194]

Hey since the holocaust is so real and true, take 10 seconds and find me an autopsy report that shows a jew was gassed to death. It shouldn't be difficult since they've had over 80 years to find one.

There were five "Kremas," each containing, among other things, an extermination gas chamber and furnaces to cremate the victims. The first was converted from its original use. The remaining four were designed as gas chambers from the start.

(For completeness' sake: a talented and well-respected amateur researcher by the name of Pressac believes that the two largest Krema were originally designed to be morgues and were switched over to gas chambers very early in their construction. He is in a minority of one in this belief.)

Two other extermination installations were called "Bunker I" or the "little red house" and "Bunker II" or "the little white house."

And again for completeness' sake: the first gassing was performed in the basement of Block 11, and there was also a sixth Krema which never got beyond the very early planning stages.

Recommended reading: The Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp, Gutman et al., pp. 157-245.

There are indeed numerous testimonies to gassings and other forms of atrocities, from Jewish inmates who survived the camps, and also from other inmates like POWs. Many of the prisoners that testified about the gassing are not Jewish, of course. Look for instance at the testimony of Polish officer Zenon Rozansky about the first homicidal gassing in Auschwitz, in which 850 Russian POWs were gassed to death, in Reitlinger, The Final Solution, p. 154:

Ask yourself why they had these gas chambers if no one was gassed? Secondly, not every jew died by gassing and died by other means.

When are they going to answer it once?

Because the wooden door argument has been answers so many times only for holocaust to go "Not good enough".

5 million people claim Bigfoot exists, does he? There's more evidence for Bigfoot than the holocaust.

So your argument is basically that its a secret conspiracy of Jews, starting around 1941, planted and forged myriad documents to prove that it did; then, after the war, they rounded up all the camp survivors and told them what to say?

The conspirators also supposedly managed to torture hundreds of key Nazis into confessing to crimes which they never committed, or into framing their fellow Nazis for those crimes, and to plant hundreds of documents in Nazi files which were never discovered until after the war, and only then, in many cases, by sheer luck. Goebbels' diary, for example, was barely rescued from being sold as 7,000 pages of scrap paper, but buried in the scattered manuscript were several telling entries?

(as translated in Lochner, The Goebbels Diaries, 1948, pp. 86, 147-14:

Why would German people say the holocaust happened? It's not like they were tortured or coerced into saying it.

This might be believable if only a few Nazis were captured after the war, or maybe if some had courageously stood up in court and shouted to the world about the supposed attempt to silence them. But hundreds testified regarding the Holocaust, in trials dating from late 1945 until the 1960s. Many of these Nazis testified as witnesses and were not accused of crimes. What was the basis for their supposed coercion? Many of these trials were in German courts. Did the Germans torture their own countrymen? Holocaust-deniers sometimes claim that the Jews have secretly infiltrated the German government and control everything about it. They prefer not to talk too much about this theory, however, because it is clearly on the lunatic fringe. What torture or coercion could possibly reach across decades to convince a Nazi to continue testifying about the horrors of the Holocaust in the 60s, 70s, and 80s? What torture or coercion was being applied to Nazis while they awaited trial in German courts?

We've proven jews are liars, so that's irrelevant.

one jew lying then every other Jew automatically is as well, is just an extension of the old antisemitic propaganda of Jews as world-conspirators.

I've refuted it for years. So we don't need your hypotheticals for things that have happened.

Translation "I ignore anyone who counters my points by claiming "jewish lies". The fact that you think all jews are liars just proves the point.

 

[Übertroon]

Ask yourself why they had these gas chambers if no one was gassed?

This can easily be explained by the old anthropological problem where an anthropologist will look at a archeology dig site and identify 10 different buildings for worship, but no building for food storage

 

[Bonesjones]

Ask yourself why they had these gas chambers if no one was gassed? Secondly, not every jew died by gassing and died by other means.

I noticed in all your insane irrelevant rambling you forgot to post an autopsy report. So clearly it doesn't exist. Thanks for playing, you lose.

When the allies bombed supply lines and caused rampant starvation and disease, an attempt to combat Typhus was delousing. These can be called "gas chambers". You can pretend these things were used on people of you wanted to lie, but it's funny to call Healthcare an attempt at genocide.

Saying jews died by other means when people were caught by deniers is an attempt at revisionist history. Funny how historians can deny the Holocaust when they reach the right conclusion.

Because the wooden door argument has been answers so many times only for holocaust to go "Not good enough".

It's not an argument, it's a distraction. You can't say a gas chamber exists if you can't prove anyone was gassed. So let's start there. Prove one jew was gassed.

So your argument is basically that its a secret conspiracy of Jews, starting around 1941, planted and forged myriad documents to prove that it did; then, after the war, they rounded up all the camp survivors and told them what to say?

Hey look more straw men. When the Soviets conspired to blame Germany for the Katyn Massacre. What happened?

Jews and communists invented stories of gassing as a method of gaining sympathy and to build support for their partisan activities. Rumors turn to propaganda turns to outright lies. Why would the allies invent a fake gas chamber in Dachau then claim it was never used?

The conspirators also supposedly managed to torture hundreds of key Nazis into confessing to crimes which they never committed, or into framing their fellow Nazis for those crimes, and to plant hundreds of documents in Nazi files which were never discovered until after the war, and only then, in many cases, by sheer luck.

I'm glad you understand how war crime trials work. Saying factual things incredulously, doesn't change anything. You do remember the allies intentionally starved millions of Germans post war or do they not count as people?

You do know that Germany was occupied by multiple hostile military forces? That had the time, ability, and willpower to forge, change, or delete documentation at will? That's why documents without corroborating evidence are useless, just like eye witness testimony.

Goebbels' diary, for example, was barely rescued from being sold as 7,000 pages of scrap paper, but buried in the scattered manuscript were several telling entries?

Cool, so you'll have no problem finding the entry that says "I love gassing jews and cremating them". Oh they don't exist? What about the massive military orders showing the shipping of materials used to gas and cremate 6 million people? Oh they don't exist either. Huh, I bet you think Nazis have psychic powers and thus don't need to be told what to do.

But hundreds testified regarding the Holocaust, in trials dating from late 1945 until the 1960s.

Hundreds testify to the existence of Bigfoot. Do you believe in Bigfoot or are you a hypocrite?

What was the basis for their supposed coercion?

There was a total war involving the death of millions and war crimes on both sides killing again tens of millions of civilians. If only there was a way to post hoc justify the entire thing.

Did the Germans torture their own countrymen?

Yes. Every country does.

Holocaust-deniers sometimes claim that the Jews have secretly infiltrated the German government and control everything about it.

Why would they have go infiltrate an American and Soviet vassal state. I'm beginning to think you ignore the context of the whole war just to invent a fake narrative that easily falls apart.

They prefer not to talk too much about this theory, however, because it is clearly on the lunatic fringe.

There you go editorializing again.

What torture or coercion could possibly reach across decades to convince a Nazi to continue testifying about the horrors of the Holocaust in the 60s, 70s, and 80s?

Because your life will be legally, financially, socially ruined to say otherwise? Remember you are posting in a thread about a woman who's life was attempted to be ruined 80 years after for no reason.

What torture or coercion was being applied to Nazis while they awaited trial in German courts?

There are many accounts of crushed testicles during the Nuremberg trials. I thought you did research or are you just playing dumb?

one jew lying then every other Jew automatically is as well, is just an extension of the old antisemitic propaganda of Jews as world-conspirators.

Saying jews don't lie is a Jewish supremacy canard that's constantly used and pushed. People aren't antisemitic because they irrationally hate jews, they hate jews for Jewish actions. If you could read you'd see several jews supporting terrorism and genocide openly in this thread alone.

Translation "I ignore anyone who counters my points by claiming "jewish lies". The fact that you think all jews are liars just proves the point.

"If you notice jews lying and point it out, it's your own eyes that deceive you"

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

I'm glad you understand how war crime trials work. Saying factual things incredulously, doesn't change anything. You do remember the allies intentionally starved millions of Germans post war or do they not count as people?

What does this have to do with this?

The conspirators also supposedly managed to torture hundreds of key Nazis into confessing to crimes which they never committed, or into framing their fellow Nazis for those crimes

You didn't address this, just cried about muh starvation

Because your life will be legally, financially, socially ruined to say otherwise?

Former Nazis were fully reintegrated by that time, they weren't required to say anything

 

[Bonesjones]

I know you like to play at being stupid but unfortunately we know you are actually dumb. Maybe if we were talking about children and assaulting them I could keep your attention better.

What does this have to do with this?

What does murder and torture have to do with false confession? It doesn't take a genius to figure that out.

You didn't address this, just cried about muh starvation

I did you just aren't very smart nor able to make basic connections.

Former Nazis were fully reintegrated by that time, they weren't required to say anything

Any association with the Nazis was fully illegal post world war 2, so they are unable to defend themselves. You can't say things didn't happen when you have legally enforced compelled speech. Shutting up even when people tell outrageous lies is a defense mechanism, not a matter of truth.

For someone who cries about context all the time, you sure don't understand it nor have the ability to discern information using it. Almost like it's a pilpul technique to direct conversation.

 

[Jacques1194]

When the allies bombed supply lines and caused rampant starvation and disease, an attempt to combat Typhus was delousing. These can be called "gas chambers". You can pretend these things were used on people of you wanted to lie, but it's funny to call Healthcare an attempt at genocide.

Saying jews died by other means when people were caught by deniers is an attempt at revisionist history. Funny how historians can deny the Holocaust when they reach the right conclusion.

Shifting the blame to others. "The Nazis didn't kill the Jews because they were themselves evil, they put them on concentration camps because they were infra-humans and their blood and culture would corrupt theirs, but it was the allies who cut the supply lines, and the merciful nazis had to put them on the gas showers to avoid to let them dying from hunger. How magnanimous were they and how nefarious were the allies!" Even so, had the Nazis not put the Jews in concentration camps, they would have been able to flee the war, like many did before things got too ugly, or they would fend for themselves as any other citizen of Germany trapped in the crossfire did.

It's not an argument, it's a distraction. You can't say a gas chamber exists if you can't prove anyone was gassed. So let's start there. Prove one jew was gassed.

You didn't answer the question, Why was Zyklon-B (a deadly gas) in these chambers then if there was no planned extermination? Its documented that 1.1 million jews were killed by this. Why was the gas in there if no one died?

When the Soviets conspired to blame Germany for the Katyn Massacre. What happened?

"The soviets lied so therefore the holocaust was a lie even though historians admit they lied!" What's your argument in the nazis lying about germans being killed in Poland to justify an entire invasion of the country?

Jews and communists invented stories of gassing as a method of gaining sympathy and to build support for their partisan activities. Rumors turn to propaganda turns to outright lies. Why would the allies invent a fake gas chamber in Dachau then claim it was never used?

Explain away the gas chambers at Majdanek. Or the fact that Faurisson's fellow denier, Jean-Claude Pressac changed his mind after visiting Auschwitz, studying the preserved documents and performing chemical analysis of the parts of the camp that are preserved from the original. Or the 1990 chemical analysis by Polish Institute for Forensic Research that found traces of cyanides in the crematorium, but not in the living quarters, which contradicts the common denial tactic of claiming that it was just fumigation. Or how Eisenhower literally order his men to document everything so that nobody can deny it?

Cool, so you'll have no problem finding the entry that says "I love gassing jews and cremating them". Oh they don't exist? What about the massive military orders showing the shipping of materials used to gas and cremate 6 million people? Oh they don't exist either. Huh, I bet you think Nazis have psychic powers and thus don't need to be told what to do.

Hitler made it no secret in his speeches and his own book that he wanted to exterminate jews.
speech delivered by Hitler in Salzburg, 7 or 8 August 1920. (NSDAP meeting)

The following quotation is from a shorthand transcript.

"This is the first demand we must raise and do [reversal of the Versailles Treaty provisions]: that our people be set free, that these chains be burst asunder, that Germany be once again captain of her soul and master of her destinies, together with all those who want to join Germany. (Applause)

And the fulfillment of this first demand will then open up the way for all the other reforms. And here is one thing that perhaps distinguishes us from you [Austrians] as far as our programme is concerned, although it is very much in the spirit of things: our attitude to the Jewish problem.

For us, this is not a problem you can turn a blind eye to-one to be solved by small concessions. For us, it is a problem of whether our nation can ever recover its health, whether the Jewish spirit can ever really be eradicated. Don't be misled into thinking you can fight a disease without killing the carrier, without destroying the bacillus. Don't think you can fight racial tuberculosis without taking care to rid the nation of the carrier of that racial tuberculosis. This Jewish contamination will not subside, this poisoning of the nation will not end, until the carrier himself, the Jew, has been banished from our midst. (Applause)

Source: D Irving, The War Path: Hitler's Germany 1933-1939. Papermac, 1978, p.xxi

Now lets see what Hitler was saying two years later in 1922:

Hitler's Conversation with Josef Hell, 1922

When Hell asked Hitler what he intended doing if he ever had full freedom of action against the Jews, his response was:

"If I am ever really in power, the destruction of the Jews will be my first and most important job. As soon as I have power, I shall have gallows after gallows erected, for example, in Munich on the Marienplatz-as many of them as traffic allows. Then the Jews will be hanged one after another, and they will stay hanging until they stink. They will stay hanging as long as hygienically possible. As soon as they are untied, then the next group will follow and that will continue until the last Jew in Munich is exterminated. Exactly the same procedure will be followed in other cities until Germany is cleansed of the last Jew!"
(quoted in John Toland, Adolf Hitler. London: Book Club Associates, 1977, p.116)

Also From Goering diaries
(as translated in Lochner, The Goebbels Diaries, 1948, pp. 86, 147-14:
February 14, 1942: The Führer once again expressed his determination to clean up the Jews in Europe pitilessly. There must be no squeamish sentimentalism about it. The Jews have deserved the catastrophe that has now overtaken them. Their destruction will go hand in hand with the destruction of our enemies. We must hasten this process with cold ruthlessness.

March 27, 1942: The procedure is a pretty barbaric one and not to be described here more definitely. Not much will remain of the Jews. On the whole it can be said that about 60 per cent of them will have to be liquidated whereas only 40 per cent can be used for forced labor.

Did the supposed Jewish conspiracy forge seven thousand pages to insert just a few lines? How did they manage to know Goebbels' affairs intimately enough to avoid contradictions, e.g. putting him or his associates in the wrong city at the wrong date?

Why would they have go infiltrate an American and Soviet vassal state. I'm beginning to think you ignore the context of the whole war just to invent a fake narrative that easily falls apart.

They didn't? Show evidence that the U.S, U.K, and the USSR were infiltrated and controlled by jews.

Because your life will be legally, financially, socially ruined to say otherwise? Remember you are posting in a thread about a woman who's life was attempted to be ruined 80 years after for no reason.

And? You can have your life ruined if you post "Slavery wasn't that bad and niggers deserved it!" in public. Does that mean slavery was a hoax?

There are many accounts of crushed testicles during the Nuremberg trials. I thought you did research or are you just playing dumb?

No one denies there were some cases of mistreatment. Some Allied soldiers were so shocked with what they saw in the camps that they reacted with violence, but this is not a serious factor in the overall picture. This is a long way from a policy of torture inflicted to extract confessions.
The main point is that not one of these supposed torture victims -- in fifty years, not one -- has come forth to support the claim that testimony was coerced.
On the contrary, confirmation and reconfirmation of their testimony has continued across the years. What coercion could have convinced Judge Konrad Morgen to testify to the crimes he witnessed at the International Nuremberg Trial in 1946, where he was not accused of any crime? And to later testify at the Auschwitz trial at Frankfurt, Germany, in 1963-65? What coercion was applied to SS Doctor Johann Kremer to make him testify in his own defense in 1947, and then, after having been convicted in both Poland and Germany, emerge after his release to testify again as a witness at the Frankfurt trial? What coercion was applied to Böck, Gerhard Hess, Hölblinger, Storch, and Wiebeck, all former SS men, all witnesses at Frankfurt, none accused of any crime there?why they shrug off the testimony of Franz Suchomel.

Saying jews don't lie is a Jewish supremacy canard that's constantly used and pushed. People aren't antisemitic because they irrationally hate jews, they hate jews for Jewish actions. If you could read you'd see several jews supporting terrorism and genocide openly in this thread alone

Claiming all jews lied and were in on a international conspiracy is a neo-nazi canard that is used and pushed. Bro you can literally go on any neo nazi website and they'll blame jews for anything they don't like. Hell, you have people that believe jews started the American Revolution ffs and every war that happened in the past 300 years because "muh Rothschild" conspiracy. Also I highly doubt you give a shit about Palestinians and are only crying genocide because Israel is doing it.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

What does murder and torture have to do with false confession? It doesn't take a genius to figure that out.

But these people explicitly weren't tortured or murdered plus were testifying in the 60/70s/80s. You literally have one excuse that applies to one point in time.

Pretending it's illegal to question the numbers of the Holocaust is also dumb because Holocaust scholars constantly question the numbers with respected ones saying it was 5.1 million

 

[Bloom Worm Cross Field]

You aren't going to win.

Performing in "drag" for pantomime shows at Christmas time (the time of that pic) has been a British tradition for ages, since in the pre-2010 times a man presenting himself as a woman was commonly understood to be funny. Complaining about this being "degenerate" comes off as a bit humourless to me, but it is the Germans.

 

[I'm a Silly]

Performing in "drag" for pantomime shows at Christmas time (the time of that pic) has been a British tradition for ages, since in the pre-2010 times a man presenting himself as a woman was commonly understood to be funny. Complaining about this being "degenerate" comes off as a bit humourless to me, but it is the Germans.

Get it twisted.

 

[Bloom Worm Cross Field]

Or how Eisenhower literally order his men to document everything so that nobody can deny it?

This is a pedantic point, but that's not exactly accurate. The widespread quote of Eisenhower that you're probably basing this on, "get it all on record now — get the films — get the witnesses — because somewhere down the track of history some bastard will get up and say that this never happened" is probably not real, but he did say in a letter:

I made the visit deliberately, in order to be in position to give first-hand evidence of these things if ever, in the future, there develops a tendency to charge these allegations merely to “propaganda.”

So the spirit of the quote is largely the same, but I don't think it's attested that he specifically "ordered his men to document everything". While he's describing scenes of utter cruelty and lack of humanity, he's not claiming that what he saw was an attempt at deliberate, industrial extermination (which makes sense since he visited the German concentration camp of Ohdruf, which is not claimed to have been an extermination camp). So you could argue that this quote doesn't really by itself support or refute the "revisionist" contention of the holocaust, about whether homicidal gas chambers were used to systematically eradicate the Jewish people.

This likely-fake quote has actually been shared by actual holocaust museums [A] too, which is disappointing.

Get it twisted.

What?

 

[Bonesjones]

Shifting the blame to others.

Genocide requires intent. You can't intentionally kill people by withholding things you don't have.

Even so, had the Nazis not put the Jews in concentration camps, they would have been able to flee the war, like many did before things got too ugly, or they would fend for themselves as any other citizen of Germany trapped in the crossfire did.

You do know many people in the concentration camps were let go when they found passage out of German territory? Of course you don't you are an idiot propagandist who regurgitates the same tired arguments.

You didn't answer the question, Why was Zyklon-B (a deadly gas) in these chambers then if there was no planned extermination? Its documented that 1.1 million jews were killed by this. Why was the gas in there if no one died?

Zyklon-b is a delousing agent. You are a fucking retard. It's documented that Bigfoot exists. So where is the scientific proof? Remember you can't prove one jew was gassed, everything else is irrelevant. Start there then talk.

What's your argument in the nazis lying about germans being killed in Poland to justify an entire invasion of the country?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident do you mean this?

Much of what is known about the Gleiwitz incident comes from the affidavit of SS-Sturmbannführer Alfred Naujocks at the Nuremberg Trials.

Crazy how everything relies on the testimony of people looking to save themselves.

"The soviets lied so therefore the holocaust was a lie even though historians admit they lied!"

Yeah the Soviets being antagonistic to Germany means you have to view everything they do with suspicion.

Explain away the gas chambers at Majdanek.

I don't have to, you have to prove jews were gassed. You've yet to do that.

Or the fact that Faurisson's fellow denier, Jean-Claude Pressac changed his mind after visiting Auschwitz, studying the preserved documents and performing chemical analysis of the parts of the camp that are preserved from the original.

Why would I give a shit about what someone else thinks? I deal in hard facts. Nice attempt at using consensus as a pilpul argument though.

Or the 1990 chemical analysis by Polish Institute for Forensic Research that found traces of cyanides in the crematorium, but not in the living quarters, which contradicts the common denial tactic of claiming that it was just fumigation.

Wow a study in 1990 was performed in a place that it's illegal to find the wrong answer. "We investigated ourselves and we are completely correct, who knew?"

Or how Eisenhower literally order his men to document everything so that nobody can deny it?

So where is the documentation for gassed jews. They did that right? Oh they didn't. I guess you are still a retard.

This Jewish contamination will not subside, this poisoning of the nation will not end, until the carrier himself, the Jew, has been banished from our midst. (Applause)

I looked up banished in the dictionary, it means total annihilation.

As soon as I have power, I shall have gallows after gallows erected

So where are the gallows?

Also From Goering diaries
(as translated in Lochner, The Goebbels

Are you leaving out the parts where he's talking about partisans on purpose or are you just cutting and pasting information from your JIDF handbook? You make this so easy for me.

Did the supposed Jewish conspiracy forge seven thousand pages to insert just a few lines?

They don't need to. You can just quote things out of context and pretend it's something else, just like you did!

How did they manage to know Goebbels' affairs intimately enough to avoid contradictions, e.g. putting him or his associates in the wrong city at the wrong date?

If only military intelligence departments don't have thousands of people who's whole job is to do that.

They didn't? Show evidence that the U.S, U.K, and the USSR were infiltrated and controlled by jews.

Yeah I need to prove Communist Russia was controlled by jews. You are a fucking retard.

And? You can have your life ruined if you post "Slavery wasn't that bad and niggers deserved it!" in public. Does that mean slavery was a hoax?

If saying slavery was a hoax could result in your imprisonment, then yeah I would believe it's a hoax.

No one denies there were some cases of mistreatment.

So you agree with me, argument over.

Claiming all jews lied and were in on a international conspiracy is a neo-nazi canard that is used and pushed.

Maybe all jews should stop lying then?

Bro you can literally go on any neo nazi website and they'll blame jews for anything they don't like.

Most people think this website is a neonazi website. Or do you not know where you are posting?

Also I highly doubt you give a shit about Palestinians and are only crying genocide because Israel is doing it.

Aww you can't help but reveal your actual Jewish character at first blush. Tell us more about what you'd love to do to innocent women and children.

But these people explicitly weren't tortured or murdered plus were testifying in the 60/70s/80s. You literally have one excuse that applies to one point in time.

Yes giving false testimony to avoid torture or murder is certainly a thing that never happens.

Pretending it's illegal to question the numbers of the Holocaust is also dumb because Holocaust scholars constantly question the numbers with respected ones saying it was 5.1 million

It's literally illegal in many countries you fucking faggot. Just because you can say it might not be 6 million but 5 doesn't change the fact, you go to jail for saying it's less than a million. Your worthless pilpul is obvious.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

Yes giving false testimony to avoid torture or murder is certainly a thing that never happens.

what torture and murder would exist in the 60s/70s/80s when denazification was far over? Why wouldn't (((they))) kill the proto revisionists that were popping up at that time.

 

[Bonesjones]

what torture and murder would exist in the 60s/70s/80s when denazification was far over? Why wouldn't (((they))) kill the proto revisionists that were popping up at that time.

Yeah the Nazi hunters just didn't exist nor persecute people for no reason. There you go pretending widely spread information doesn't exist so you can pretend your narrative makes sense. I thought you were a brave Jewish warrior? Cowardly hiding information should be beneath you.

It's always fun watching you squirm around cold hard facts because you have none. They literally admitted during the David Irving trial no proof of the Holocaust exists.


Mass Graves are proven to not exist where they said they do.


and it's so real they constantly had to fake photos to make it.


I'd go back to sucking on baby dick Rabbi, because it's the only thing you are good at.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

Yeah the Nazi hunters just didn't exist nor persecute people for no reason. There you go pretending widely spread information doesn't exist so you can pretend your narrative makes sense. I thought you were a brave Jewish warrior? Cowardly hiding information should be beneath you.

So the Nazi hunters would spare these Nazis if they would testify? Any proof?

They literally admitted during the David Irving trial no proof of the Holocaust exists.

No, they admitted no autopsy reports existed but point to other evidence to show it.

Mass Graves are proven to not exist where they said they do.

This is literally an ifunny meme (there was no Smithsonian scan of Treblinka in 2015) that shows the mass graves in the lidar image provided. Like the retard you are, you didn't do any research.

The generated maps highlighted a series of ground anomalies which were confirmed by walkover survey and, in some cases, excavation [23, 24] (Figure 4). Hundreds of features were recorded
which related to the camps and the execution site. Most significantly, these data enhancement
techniques revealed the presence of several apparent graves in the woodland to the south of the labour camp.

Your very own image showing how there were "no mass graves" shows a mass grave

I'd go back to sucking on baby dick Rabbi, because it's the only thing you are good at.

Wouldn't be one of your posts without the pedophilic fantasies

 

[Bonesjones]

So the Nazi hunters would spare these Nazis if they would testify? Any proof?

Proof of what exactly?

No, they admitted no autopsy reports existed but point to other evidence to show it.

I'm glad you admit I'm correct, no scientific proof exists. The end. No scientific proof, no holocaust.

Your very own image showing how there were "no mass graves" shows a mass grave

Where is it?

I can't seem to find the bodies in your post, just empty claims. Let me guess, you arent allowed to dig them up because of a Jewish law that specifically doesn't include mass graves? Crazy how you can't prove anything scientifically, specifically avoid using science to prove your point. I'm beginning to think you are hiding something. That's just me though.

You linked a study that involves every participant being under holocaust denial laws. So again, no science is being done here. It also makes zero mention of mass graves, so you are pretending information exists that doesn't. Look at your open dishonesty yet again, maybe Google less and read more.

Wouldn't be one of your posts without the pedophilic fantasies

What fantasy? You openly support terrorism, pedophiles and refuse to distance yourself from them because they are Jewish. You are literally an evil subhuman. I'm disgusted every time you post.

 

[Jacques1194]

You do know many people in the concentration camps were let go when they found passage out of German territory? Of course you don't you are an idiot propagandist who regurgitates the same tired arguments.

You're being fucking dishonest. What were they in the camps for? What were women and children doing in those camps in the first place if they were allowed to leave? Do you fucking believe all jews were in on a conspiracy to take down Germany?

Zyklon-b is a delousing agent. You are a fucking retard. It's documented that Bigfoot exists. So where is the scientific proof? Remember you can't prove one jew was gassed, everything else is irrelevant. Start there then talk.

Do you not know what fucking Zyklon-b does? It can fucking kill you and historical fucking evidence proves at least 1.1 million jews were at least killed by gas. This is literally documented fact.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident do you mean this?

Literally your own fucking link states it was a hoax retard.

Crazy how everything relies on the testimony of people looking to save themselves.

You straight up claim they were all tortured and I give you someone who wasn't tortured and your response is "He lied to save himself" Move that goal post more buddy.

Wow a study in 1990 was performed in a place that it's illegal to find the wrong answer. "We investigated ourselves and we are completely correct, who knew?"

Guy who finds evidence of gassing and now the goal post move again.

Yeah the Soviets being antagonistic to Germany means you have to view everything they do with suspicion.

And yet why aren't you doing the same when the nazis lied about invading Poland because of germans getting killed there?

I looked up banished in the dictionary, it means total annihilation.

I noticed you ignored the other parts of Hitler's speech where he straight uses words like "cleansed" and "destruction of the jews". Guess you're dumb argument will be "Well he didn't straight up say kill jews."even though its quite fucking clear what those words mean.."

Yeah I need to prove Communist Russia was controlled by jews. You are a fucking retard.

So was communist Vietnam controlled by jews as well because according to your dumbass logic "Communism= Jews control the government".

If saying slavery was a hoax could result in your imprisonment, then yeah I would believe it's a hoax.

Yet people have been fired from their jobs for that or at least downplaying it. So I guess you believe that was a hoax as well.

So you agree with me, argument over.

Typical fucking holocaust denier. Admitting a few got tortured (even though historians themselves admit this) ≠ agreeing with you that everyone was tortured to lie about the holocaust.

Maybe all jews should stop lying then?

If you believe all jews are liars then does that mean jews who deny the holocaust are also lying, or are they one of the good ones?

Yes giving false testimony to avoid torture or murder is certainly a thing that never happens.

How do you know they did that to avoid torture and the murder part is stupid because one ex nazi officer was in his 70s and admitted it to a few prisoners about it. What would he gain from it on his death bed?

and it's so real they constantly had to fake photos to make it.

Your posted is from fucking an ifunny meme and those photos were proven to be edited by fucking neo nazis. Nice try retard.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

It also makes zero mention of mass graves, so you are pretending information exists that doesn't. Look at your open dishonesty yet again, maybe Google less and read more.

It mentions mass graves 10 times

I can't seem to find the bodies in your post, just empty claims.

Human Remains
In the course of the excavations carried out in the death camp, a considerable amount of
human remains were encountered. These remains were not buried in mass graves but were
scattered remains that had never been buried in a grave. As per the advice of Chief Rabbi
Michael Schudrich, the remains were recovered and reburied by a representative from his
Office. Although it was not possible to carry out scientific analysis due to the stipulations of
Halacha Law (Sturdy Colls 2015, ch.3), it was possible to observe that many of the remains
found were not cremated. All of the remains found were fragmented and disarticulated. Some
of the remains did exhibit evidence of burning to varying degrees; some were white in colour
suggesting prolonged exposure to flames, whilst others were superficially charred, suggesting
a short period of exposure at low temperatures. This demonstrates that not all of the remains
of the victims at the extermination camp were cremated as documentary sources suggest. A
concentration of gold and silver teeth, and dentures were also discovered in the area of the old
gas chambers, suggesting that they were removed from victims somewhere in the vicinity.
This is consistent with witness accounts. As these remains are also bodily remains, they were
also reinterred with the bone fragments that were found.

>Scanned the area to find mass graves
>Didn't dig them up
>Still found burnt body parts elsewhere

 

[Bonesjones]

You're being fucking dishonest. What were they in the camps for? What were women and children doing in those camps in the first place if they were allowed to leave? Do you fucking believe all jews were in on a conspiracy to take down Germany?

So when Germany spent a decade deporting jews and seeking places to send jews it was all a cover? Why are jews so awful no one wanted them? It's a mystery. They don't have to be in on it to support other jews over the truth, as shown repeatedly in this thread.

Do you not know what fucking Zyklon-b does? It can fucking kill you and historical fucking evidence proves at least 1.1 million jews were at least killed by gas. This is literally documented fact.

I know exactly what it does and why they had it, I even explained it's use case! I guess illiteracy runs in your inbred family. If it's documented fact, where is the proof? You can't seem to find a single gassed jew even still. 80 years not one turned up, how unfortunate for you.

Literally your own fucking link states it was a hoax retard.

It says it was a hoax based on the testimony of a single person, funny how there is zero corroborating evidence. You think a guy arrested for war crimes would lie to get out of being killed? Nah that would never happen.

You straight up claim they were all tortured and I give you someone who wasn't tortured and your response is "He lied to save himself" Move that goal post more buddy.

Hey look you are pretending things again, why aren't you ever honest? I said they had compelled testimony.

Guy who finds evidence of gassing and now the goal post move again.

What evidence? Where is the gassed jews? I'm waiting.

And yet why aren't you doing the same when the nazis lied about invading Poland because of germans getting killed there?

My only concern is the holocaust lie.

I noticed you ignored the other parts of Hitler's speech where he straight uses words like "cleansed" and "destruction of the jews". Guess you're dumb argument will be "Well he didn't straight up say kill jews."even though its quite fucking clear what those words mean.."

I'm showing your argument being retarded because it shows you didn't even read what it says.

Yet people have been fired from their jobs for that or at least downplaying it. So I guess you believe that was a hoax as well.

I think your brain is a hoax

Typical fucking holocaust denier.

Do you spend a lot of time with holocaust deniers? How do you know how typical I am?

If you believe all jews are liars then does that mean jews who deny the holocaust are also lying, or are they one of the good ones?

They are liars, why would I believe or respect anything they say?

How do you know they did that to avoid torture and the murder part is stupid because one ex nazi officer was in his 70s and admitted it to a few prisoners about it. What would he gain from it on his death bed?

Calm down and think before you post.

Your posted is from fucking an ifunny meme and those photos were proven to be edited by fucking neo nazis. Nice try retard.

So where is the mass grave then?

It mentions mass graves 10 times

Why doesn't it show them?

>Scanned the area to find mass graves
>Didn't dig them up
>Still found burnt body parts elsewhere

So they claim to find something, don't actually look into it, pretend they found something else?

Although it was not possible to carry out scientific analysis due to the stipulations of
Halacha Law (Sturdy Colls 2015, ch.3)"

There you go not reading your own sources again. Thanks for proving me right one more time.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

So they claim to find something, don't actually look into it, pretend they found something else?



There you go not reading your own sources again. Thanks for proving me right one more time.

You need scientific analysis to see that human remains are human remains?

So where is the mass grave then?

In the image I posted and mentioned in text

 

[Bonesjones]

You need scientific analysis to see that human remains are human remains?

Yes, the point of scientific analysis is to prove your assertion beyond any doubt. I'm glad you are slowly working through the definition of scientific analysis. Maybe you'll get to words like "credibility" next. Though I doubt it.

In the image I posted and mentioned in text

So 900,000 peoples ashes and bones are in your picture? I'm not seeing any of them. I wonder why they are so hard to find.