Why Mass Deportations Would Cripple California’s Economy

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In the days following President-elect Donald Trump’s victory, I reached out to a longtime Northern California family farmer to gauge his level of concern.

Trump has, after all, already made full-throated declarations that his administration will conduct the largest deportation of undocumented residents in U.S. history. That should resonate in a place like California, with its estimated 1.8 million undocumented immigrants — and it certainly would shake up a state agriculture industry in which nearly half of all workers are undocumented.

But the farmer, who asked not to be identified to avoid political conflict with business partners, was unruffled. A self-described social moderate and fiscal conservative, he and his family have spent generations in the business. While his own seasonal employees are on work visas, his understanding of the industry’s historical reliance on undocumented workers runs deep, through direct experience, colleagues and a seat on the board of an agriculture lending institution.

He knows the stakes. Even at a time when some farmers use more authorized workers than ever, the industry overall remains heavily reliant on undocumented immigrants.

“I suspect it’ll be like it always has been: If you’re undocumented but stay out of trouble, not much is going to happen,” he told me. “Dragging hard-working people out of here does not go over well.”

That is hardly a poetic response. It does, however, have the ring of truth.

Trump’s notion to mass deport nearly 5% of the U.S. workforce is a recipe for such economic wreckage that it feels impossible. But that doesn’t mean those who study immigration and try to shape policy don’t take him seriously.

“It is unlikely that a large share of the unauthorized immigrant population will be deported quickly,” said Daniel Costa, director of immigration law and policy research for the Economic Policy Institute. “But there’s a lot the Trump 2.0 administration can do to remove a high number fast.”

Among the possibilities: Trump’s administration could go after immigrants who have received a final order of removal or are in the country under temporary protected status (TPS), which is usually extended to those whose home countries are experiencing problems that make it difficult or unsafe for them to return. Those nations include Venezuela, El Salvador and Haiti.

Costa, a visiting scholar at the University of California Davis’ Global Migration Center, also suggested that Trump could adjust federal policy to expand temporary work visa programs — one way to assuage employers, by theoretically replacing deported undocumented workers with those possessing a legal but short leash to remain in the country.

“Those visas give employers a lot of power and control over workers because their visa status is tied to the employer,” Costa said. “They cannot easily change jobs. And if they get fired, they become deportable, which keeps them from complaining about substandard working conditions or from [trying to join] a union.”

But all of that presupposes that the Trump administration would first locate and then expel hundreds of thousands of undocumented workers in California alone. On both counts, experts say, that’s a longshot.

Jamshid Damooei, executive director of the Center for Economics of Social Issues at California Lutheran University, has been studying the economic impact of undocumented immigrants in the state for years. To Damooei, the numbers tell the story.

According to the center’s analysis, undocumented immigrants are the source of more than half a trillion dollars of products in California, either by direct, indirect or induced production levels. Their work adds up to nearly 5% of the state’s gross domestic product, or GDP.

And while 46% of the state’s agricultural workforce is undocumented, that’s just the tip of the iceberg. For example, the center’s report found that in Los Angeles County, 28.7% of the construction workforce is undocumented, along with 17.5% in manufacturing, 16% in wholesale trade and more than 15% in retail trade.

“How could L.A. County function with a significant share of its vital workforce being deported?” Damooei said. “In my county, Ventura, 70% of farmworkers are undocumented. In Santa Barbara it’s closer to 80%. Then there is construction, manufacturing, transportation. … Look, this is just incredibly powerful.”

Employers aren’t likely to give up that kind of workforce willingly, especially considering how much less they generally pay undocumented workers than others. That’s one reason the Northern California farmer sounded relatively confident that, all political rhetoric aside, the status quo will hold.

None of this answers the larger questions of what Trump really wants or how his administration would achieve it. But even setting aside the sheer inhumanity of a mass deportation policy, the financial equation makes the idea untenable.

According to the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy, undocumented immigrants paid almost $100 billion in federal, state and local taxes in 2022. More than a third of those taxes went to fund programs the immigrants are barred from using, like Social Security, Medicare and unemployment insurance.

Six states raised more than $1 billion in tax revenue from undocumented immigrants that year, the institute found. The leader of the pack? California, at $8.5 billion (followed by Texas, New York, Florida, Illinois and New Jersey). And in 40 states, including California, undocumented immigrants paid higher state and local tax rates than the top 1% of households.

“Undocumented immigrants are not a source of depletion of our tax revenue — they subsidize our benefits,” Damooie said. “They are not the takers of our tax revenue but the makers, who receive very little in return.”

Damooie and others argue that a path toward citizenship, not deportation, ought to be the goal. That’s not a likely scenario over the next four years.

In the meantime, the Northern California farmer said, “These workers are mostly just going to keep working.” It is work destined to be continued in the shadows — where it’s almost always been.
 
We need illegal immigrants to work below market slave wages because paying Americans would cost too much.

But they also want to legalize all of these people which means not only paying at least minimum wage but also double minimum wage with no impact to product costs.

The Democrats entire argument for illegal immigration is basically a flat earth tier conspiracy theory.
 
Trump’s notion to mass deport nearly 5% of the U.S. workforce is a recipe for such economic wreckage that it feels impossible.
That's 8.5 million illegal workers. That's 8.5 million jobs that could be done by someone you know for a good, honest wage and benefits.

And while 46% of the state’s agricultural workforce is undocumented, that’s just the tip of the iceberg. For example, the center’s report found that in Los Angeles County, 28.7% of the construction workforce is undocumented, along with 17.5% in manufacturing, 16% in wholesale trade and more than 15% in retail trade.
So literally they force out the people who need this work the most, you know the working class. A construction worker in 1974 (50 years ago) made 12,000 grand a year on average, that's 76.8 grand a year into day's money. Do you know any construction workers who make that much now? I don't.

“How could L.A. County function with a significant share of its vital workforce being deported?” Damooei said. “In my county, Ventura, 70% of farmworkers are undocumented. In Santa Barbara it’s closer to 80%. Then there is construction, manufacturing, transportation. … Look, this is just incredibly powerful.”
Cry me a river, you champagne socialist parasites. Eat the commie rich!

In the meantime, the Northern California farmer said, “These workers are mostly just going to keep working.” It is work destined to be continued in the shadows — where it’s almost always been.
Let the work place raids begin, let this bastard of a farmer lose everything he owns for employing scab labor over American citizens who want a decent wage.
 
And in 40 states, including California, undocumented immigrants paid higher state and local tax rates than the top 1% of households.
Literally how? They're undocumented, who is the IRS/municipal government sending the check to? Are we just being cheeky and counting sales taxes?
 
Only a fascist would turn against an economy built upon human trafficking and underpaying workers as a means to increase profits and dodge taxes!

Cry me a river, you champagne socialist parasites. Eat the commie rich!
Learn to farm.

They're literally complaining that this will remove "the help" from their homes....
 
So exploiting people and depressing wages in order to bolster the profit margins of law breaking employers is now seen as leftwing policy??
Always has been. Bump the minimum wage and import infinite slave labor to price working class americans out of their own labor market.
Literally how? They're undocumented, who is the IRS/municipal government sending the check to? Are we just being cheeky and counting sales taxes?
If the Koch chicken processing plant raids are any indication then their "employers" are using stolen SSN's and cooking the books to avoid the wrath of the IRS.
 
Once again the second civil war will be over slaves and the Democrats that use them, and Republicans will win in end, just like last time.

Can't wait for Sherman's March to the Sea: Electric Boogaloo and then a sappy Gone With The Almond Tree sequel where the stronk wahman once again ends up alone, abandoned by her Mexican pool boy for being a BPD cunt.
 
“How could L.A. County function with a significant share of its vital workforce being deported?” Damooei said.
Look, don't talk dirty to me if you aren't prepared to finish what you start.
“Undocumented immigrants are not a source of depletion of our tax revenue — they subsidize our benefits,” Damooie said. “They are not the takers of our tax revenue but the makers, who receive very little in return.”
Look at all of the revenue they are depriving their home countries of. How could we call ourselves good global neighbors if we didn't do the right thing and send these undocumented moneymakers back where they are clearly needed most?
 
Everybody keeps humping on the wages aspect. But remember, when white race traitor pieces of shit tell you that Messicans'll do the jerbs whites won't do...

They're right.

* Not without benefits like GOOD health, dental, and vision insurance
* An EAP program that isn't worthless
* Optional life insurance benefit
* 401k with employer matching
* SEVERAL (not 2. not 3. not 4.) but SEVERAL paid holidays where you, the employer, FUCKS OFF and lets us stay home
* Overtime with DOUBLE TIME paid Sundays and Federal Holidays
 
Yes, I’m ignorant of illegal labor practices; almost 100% so. A question:

Many pro-illegal articles I read speak of the gazillions in employment taxes illegals pay. I would think that requires SSNs.

Are there that many bogus SSNs out there and no way of flagging those?
 
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