US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians

 

[George Lucas]

The Collins thing is not a big deal yet. McConnell is stepping down and Collins the next in line. It’s possible for her to be replaced in the next Senate. We’ll see what happens.

 

[Levitcus prime24]

I'm seeing a lot of this kind of talk hoping Prager dies.
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Man did pragur piss in these guys cereal?

 

[pwnest injun]

Drone technology is not there yet. Right now, having a human in control of a craft is preferential over a craft that is controlled via electronics/satellites because opponents can interfere with this. It is speculated that the Iranians captured that Lockheed Martin RQ-170 drone in 2011 by basically jamming and/or spoofing its control systems.

You mean the commercial drones that the public has access to aren't there yet, don't you? Unless you work for DARPA and are about to get a knock at your door?

 

[mandatorylurk]

I heard Prager fell down and had a back injury, didn't know it became something more severe.

And Chuck Woolery, first host of Wheel of Fortune and who I know from Love Connection, passed away yesterday, one of the earliest Trump celebrity supporters.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

The Collins thing is not a big deal yet. McConnell is stepping down and Collins the next in line. It’s possible for her to be replaced in the next Senate. We’ll see what happens.

True. I just don't like Collins because she's a cultural RINO and is part of the political establishment bringing in slave labor illegal immigrants. She's been a Senator since 1996, so her seniority is another factor in her getting the position for the time being.

You mean the commercial drones that the public has access to aren't there yet, don't you? Unless you work for DARPA and are about to get a knock at your door?

You are quoting a post I made about a US military drone captured by the Iranians who basically hacked it so it would land safely and they could steal it. Is that not evidence enough of my point that human-controlled crafts are less susceptible to electronic interference? If the US military is capable of developing a drone that can compete with the F-35, please provide some evidence of this project. Otherwise, I assume that manned aircraft are still primary.

 

[pwnest injun]

You are quoting a post I made about a US military drone captured by the Iranians who basically hacked it so it would land safely and they could steal it. Is that not evidence enough of my point that human-controlled crafts are less susceptible to electronic interference? If the US military is capable of developing a drone that can compete with the F-35, please provide some evidence of this project. Otherwise, I assume that manned aircraft are still primary.

 

[The Last Stand]

Watching Keysus get btfo by Chunk of all people was kino, all of the salt has been fantastic. There’s still one person I need to hear from though. Hillary Rodham Clinton, I summon thee to crawl out of your hole and come seethe for my amusement.

I liked it. People are too sensitive nowadays. Her voice IS a bit high pitched, although I suspect it's compression.

 

[ForTheHoard]

You are quoting a post I made about a US military drone captured by the Iranians who basically hacked it so it would land safely and they could steal it. Is that not evidence enough of my point that human-controlled crafts are less susceptible to electronic interference? If the US military is capable of developing a drone that can compete with the F-35, please provide some evidence of this project. Otherwise, I assume that manned aircraft are still primary.

The original story said we crashed it and they recovered it. Iran released a photo within the week and it looked like someone had hit the leading edge of the wing with a hammer a few times, but was otherwise in perfect condition. Clearly, the crash story was a lie. Hacking was always a possibility but myself and most of my colleagues working for the DoD suspected that Obama just gave it to them. That was also the turning point for US drone exclusivity because after that, every adversarial country starting cloning them.

 

[Thomas Talus]

While true, this does nothing to explain the need for manned airframes when an unmanned airframe unburdened by the pilot, and space/systems needed to sustain said pilot would be either smaller and cheaper for the same payload, or capable of lifting more ordinance into the air (And probably still cheaper)

Drone technology is not there yet. Right now, having a human in control of a craft is preferential over a craft that is controlled via electronics/satellites because opponents can interfere with this. It is speculated that the Iranians captured that Lockheed Martin RQ-170 drone in 2011 by basically jamming and/or spoofing its control systems.

A drone F-35-type airframe is still going to be too expensive to regularly lose in dogfights because of the ping.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

I've never heard of the SR-72 until this point. It looks like the whole point of this thing is to function as a next-generation reconnaissance drone, and to try out a new theory that speed is more important than stealth for penetrating enemy airspace.

The original story said we crashed it and they recovered it. Iran released a photo within the week and it looked like someone had hit the leading edge of the wing with a hammer a few times, but was otherwise in perfect condition. Clearly, the crash story was a lie. Hacking was always a possibility but myself and most of my colleagues working for the DoD suspected that Obama just gave it to them. That was also the turning point for US drone exclusivity because after that, every adversarial country starting cloning them.

I do not believe that the drone "crashed," either. The idea that Obama gifted a highly-advanced drone to a major adversary as a means of leveling the playing field, when he himself loved using drones, does not make sense to me. I'm open to hearing your opinion on that, though.

Either the US lost control of the drone over Iran and does not want to admit the fuck-up, or the Iranians managed to jam and/or control it and then recover it.

dogfights

Aerial dogfighting does not happen anymore.

 

[pwnest injun]

The original story said we crashed it and they recovered it. Iran released a photo within the week and it looked like someone had hit the leading edge of the wing with a hammer a few times, but was otherwise in perfect condition. Clearly, the crash story was a lie. Hacking was always a possibility but myself and most of my colleagues working for the DoD suspected that Obama just gave it to them. That was also the turning point for US drone exclusivity because after that, every adversarial country starting cloning them.

If the drone has a directional antenna that only communicates with US military satellites, that would pretty much eliminate the threat of hacking from the ground, I would assume?

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

If the drone has a directional antenna that only communicates with US military satellites, that would pretty much eliminate the threat of hacking, I would assume?

Far more intelligent people than I have told me, consistently, that there is no such thing as an electronic system that cannot be "hacked" in some way.

To quote the Mighty Monarch: it is a deadly game of cat and also cat.

 

[MirrorNoir]

I mean, Russia's done far less in Ukraine than the US did in Iraq or Afghanistan. And paid more for it. Why risk even a limited nuclear exchange over a minor war in some corrupt country nobody on Earth cares about?

They've never heard of it, simple as. Plus it doesn't have the obvious fetish appeal of the Handmaid's Tale to keep it alive in liberal white women's heads.

I really wonder who owns the film rights to the Gor series, they could make an absolute killing right now. A whole generation of women who hit puberty right when 50 Shades broke out big, and they all love that garbage Atwood series. Gor would be right up their alley.

Gor is a super tainted franchise due to its fandom being hijacked in the 80s/90s by assholes in the BDSM community, the kind of guys who coined the cliche "no means yes, yes meand anal" crowd and who live the BDSM lifestyle 24-7.

In particular, Gor fandom was on par with furry fandom in the late 90s and early 00s, which is to say made you a pariah for saying you liked it. Even MST3K had to retitle one of the safe for housewives b-movie adaptations of a Gor novel (Outlaw of Gor) simply Outlaw to hide the film's connection to Gor due to the stigma it had.

If Gor ever made a comeback, it would be either gender swapped and made into an Amazon/Femdom thing or worse, turned into a feminist beating up misogynist revenge fantasy tripe.

 

[Your Girlfriend's Dad]

Jesus fucking Christ can we not trigger the apocalypse before Trump is back in office?

 

[Verpa Teutonica Ingens]

Drone technology is not there yet. Right now, having a human in control of a craft is preferential over a craft that is controlled via electronics/satellites because opponents can interfere with this. It is speculated that the Iranians captured that Lockheed Martin RQ-170 drone in 2011 by basically jamming and/or spoofing its control systems.

You don't really need the entire human, though, just the brain. The rest can be replaced by computers and machinery just fine.

 

[Overly Serious]

I do not believe that the drone "crashed," either. The idea that Obama gifted a highly-advanced drone to a major adversary as a means of leveling the playing field, when he himself loved using drones, does not make sense to me. I'm open to hearing your opinion on that, though.

If this is the incident I'm thinking of, we're going back some if it is, then the most plausible theory was that the Iranians spoofed the GPS and persuaded it to fly around a bit then land. That's technically plausible and explained the good condition. Allegedly they spoofed the GPS by simply flying a plane above it and sending it false signals.

Jesus fucking Christ can we not trigger the apocalypse before Trump is back in office?

They need to trigger it now though, or they might not get a chance later.

 

[quaawaa]

If the drone has a directional antenna that only communicates with US military satellites, that would pretty much eliminate the threat of hacking from the ground, I would assume?

Yes, but it means that your army will be crippled if your satellites are destroyed, which is why there will always be manned vehicles.

 

[ForTheHoard]

I do not believe that the drone "crashed," either. The idea that Obama gifted a highly-advanced drone to a major adversary as a means of leveling the playing field, when he himself loved using drones, does not make sense to me. I'm open to hearing your opinion on that, though.

I think we gave Iran drones for the same reason we give all our enemies weapons; An enemy without weapons isn't a threat, and without a threat we can't manufacture consent for forever wars. Without forever wars, the military contractor's stocks don't go up. If stocks aren't going up, the politicians and NGOs stop getting financial support. It's the same reason we didn't destroy our equipment when we left Afghanistan. We're guaranteeing a financial future for our government contractors and the elected officials that invest in them.

@pwnest injun I don't know much about avionics. The vast majority of the electronic warfare stuff is classified and only avionics guys get access to it. I believe all the navigation stuff if encrypted, but I've only heard that 2nd hand from guys on emergency reclamation teams. You also have to consider that these weapons systems were designed to fight people in caves with Baofeng walkie talkies. The government skimps on a lot of shit that it shouldn't, so older generations of drones being hackable by cave dwellers isn't impossible.

 

[Cnidarian]

Gor is a super tainted franchise due to its fandom being hijacked in the 80s/90s by assholes in the BDSM community, the kind of guys who coined the cliche "no means yes, yes meand anal" crowd and who live the BDSM lifestyle 24-7.

In particular, Gor fandom was on par with furry fandom in the late 90s and early 00s, which is to say made you a pariah for saying you liked it. Even MST3K had to retitle one of the safe for housewives b-movie adaptations of a Gor novel (Outlaw of Gor) simply Outlaw to hide the film's connection to Gor due to the stigma it had.

But all of this is normal in current year.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

I think we gave Iran drones for the same reason we give all our enemies weapons; An enemy without weapons isn't a threat, and without a threat we can't manufacture consent for forever wars. Without forever wars, the military contractor's stocks don't go up. If stocks aren't going up, the politicians and NGOs stop getting financial support. It's the same reason we didn't destroy our equipment when we left Afghanistan. We're guaranteeing a financial future for our government contractors and the elected officials that invest in them.

Well, I don't agree with this at all.

older generations of drones being hackable by cave dwellers isn't impossible.

This, however, is easier to believe than a lot of Americans want to. One of the most surprising things is how people in third-world countries have been extremely creative with smartphones. I would believe it if someone said the US simply did not think the Iranians (or anyone else) could figure out how to hack the drones.