Greta Gustava Martela / Kjel Anderson & Nina Chaubal / Niraj Chaubal - Stole $350k+ from Trans Lifeline, kill count of 2+ from negligence, Founders of Sisterwood/La Zorra.

[Closet Sorcerer]

Pretty courageous of you to do this, bro. Out of curiosity, did you reach someone at least once ?

 

[NQ 952]

Yes, I will post the call logs when I'm done. I'm currently formatting the writeup of the initial research and outlining several things: research methodology, what several acronyms means, and how to read the call logs. Conclusions and statistics calculations will have to wait until the conclusion of the research.

Yes, I reached several operators over this time period, but I had to try again later way more often.

No, calls were not recorded. I may live in a legal grey area here, but I didn't want to risk it.

I did this because after reading about TLL on KF and having two friends commit suicide I felt it was important to validate or invalidate KF's claims. This could only be done on a longer time period (and, yes, I practiced very safe sex during this project).

Anyway, I won't discuss much else right now.

I will drop a little spoiler though: I informed one operator that I was suicidal (for the purposes of this research). The operator asked if I was transexual, and I said "I don't know" to which the operator replied that I should figure out if I was transexual first before calling back, then hung up.

 

[Jaded Optimist]

The operator asked if I was transexual, and I said "I don't know" to which the operator replied that I should figure out if I was transexual first before calling back, then hung up.

Holy shit...

I would have excepted them to at least see if your confliction on the subject might be what's causing your depression. I don't know how pissed I can be at the operator, they are in a toxic cult like enviroment, taught that the world is out to get them and can only trust others trans and are given little to no training. The ones like that underage kid that "works" for tll must be so fucked up, they ran from their family into the twisted manipulative world of Kjel.
the very idea that any of them give out their personal phone number and are friends with callers just shows how terrible their skills as an operator are, and that's all training.

 

[Closet Sorcerer]

I will drop a little spoiler though: I informed one operator that I was suicidal (for the purposes of this research). The operator asked if I was transexual, and I said "I don't know" to which the operator replied that I should figure out if I was transexual first before calling back, then hung up.

How unsurprising

 

[Luminous Being]

I will drop a little spoiler though: I informed one operator that I was suicidal (for the purposes of this research). The operator asked if I was transexual, and I said "I don't know" to which the operator replied that I should figure out if I was transexual first before calling back, then hung up.

The 2h "training" their operators receive is paying off just fine! Everything according to protocol.

Holy shit...

 

[m0rnutz]

She didn't get fast tracked. From the moment ICE decided she was eligible to be bonded out, all that had to happen was for the bond to be paid.

So let me get this straight. Greta used her friends and TLL to raise over 10k, which could have gone to better volunteer training and giving them a better call management system, and they instead used it on the bride of a deadbeat too lazy to call his state of residence for divorce records?

I will drop a little spoiler though: I informed one operator that I was suicidal (for the purposes of this research). The operator asked if I was transexual, and I said "I don't know" to which the operator replied that I should figure out if I was transexual first before calling back, then hung up.

Did you happen to get a name?

 

[bacterium]

I will drop a little spoiler though: I informed one operator that I was suicidal (for the purposes of this research). The operator asked if I was transexual, and I said "I don't know" to which the operator replied that I should figure out if I was transexual first before calling back, then hung up.

Wow. That says a lot. Sadly it is unsurprising, cishet scum are the uncaring ones, yet the suicide hotline doesn't care if you live or die if you don't have a girlcock.

 

[Field Marshal Crappenberg]

I've returned and will read the PMs and resume my thread sifting and the like after I send this post off. I wish to express my intense gratitude for the inundation of positive ratings for my previous post. I know giving a rating is a trivial task, but it's still a gesture of goodwill and those small gestures in life can be quite uplifting, and I wasn't expecting nearly that much attention. I'm very happy to be well situated to assist.

Before I respond to quotes, I have a couple of archival observations. I went to the Lolcow Wiki on this, and went to the linked archive on the infamous exchange between Greta and a grieving widow (wow, Greta comes across as a highly insensitive fuck). The original source still exists, which is good because the archived version from a month ago didn't expand any of the longer comments. The new version I took lacked that flaw for whatever reason (the old version seemed to be Spanish so the "See More" types of things were not in English- maybe that interfered with the program) so everything Amanda and Greta and others said is now visible. If you see an archived FB post which has any value but has the same problem, recapture it if the original exists to try to eliminate that flaw.

I constantly forget that Shrek has two kids that he completely abandoned and never supported.

I don't know yet whether those sagas were well documented in this thread. If they weren't and they're exactly as you described them, they would be good character evidence to use against Greta. Turning trans is no excuse for willfully abandoning one's children.

If Greta joined the military while he was married to wife #1 he would have received dependent pay. Assuming Greta had any college courses he would have come in at E3. The basic housing allowance for a dependent is by law supposed to go to supporting that dependent, if Marian was out of the picture Greta was breaking an article of the USMJ and it's a huge deal. In addition to punishment under USMJ Greta could face federal charges such as:

The statute of limitations quite possibly already expired on that. I have no familiarity with any aspect of that particular matter, but if it happened and is still prosecutable, decisive evidence on this would also be useful. It doesn't have to only pertain to TLL.

Meanwhile, who's running TLL, and what's happening with funding for that? Or is TLL money all for Nidge's* asylum fund now?

You know, I was pondering the same thing this morning. Greta has been doing a lot of posturing, taunting, and acknowledgement of us over the preceding week or so, including when Nina was released. That alone I couldn't fault her for because we're enemies and I would want to taunt people who hated me. However, she has two critical matters before her. The first is the whole legal saga which they could have easily averted. This would require a huge amount of research, networking, and deliberation. The second is TLL, both the impact of this on it and TLL's general welfare. If I was in her position (I wouldn't be, of course, as I'm a rational human), I'd suspend most unnecessary actions and avoid all conflict to preserve emotional strength and better focus on these emergencies. Instead she's taunting us and doing other trivial shit on Facebook, sometimes fundraising.

Also, on a side note, she seemed rather laconic in response to people offering her help. I'd be emphatically thanking people for offers of help like that one person offering to deliver food, but Greta seemed almost indifferent from what I remember.

You could do this, be sure to include the Alien#, Name, DOB but it would be best to wait until we actually get the name of the prosecutor or judge assigned to the case - that's who this information needs to go to to make a impact. I do believe sending the specific relevant facts discussed earlier in the thread at ATTN: Prosecutor Name would be a very impactful and appreciated. You can't expect a prosecutor to try and sift through the mountain of shit currently online.

Only actual relevant facts, the info and statements directly from Nina and TLL, is all that's needed or should be sent. No bullshit, no opinions, etc*.. just actual print-offs of statements by Nina and from TLL about Nina's job/work with citation/sources included. But as long as you do it correctly and it's relevant it will be added to the case file. (If it's added to the case file Nina/Nina's lawyer will be given a copy of it too. lol)

It's just important to make it as easy as possible for the prosecutor to review/submit the information since they are buried in cases. If you don't make it very clear who this information pertains to and why it's relevant to their specific caseload it will get tossed/ignored.

I wanted to bring more attention to this because this is indispensable. We hope that some official/staffer reviews at least some of the data we have collected online (maybe what I and others are doing will make that happen), but it's imperative to also attempt a paper-based means of conveyance. Also, prosecutors and investigators have a very finite amount of time they can expend on research and compilation, and a lot of them are not very bright or diligent. We must make critical details as obvious and easily understood as possible, and arouse interest as rapidly as possible with minimal effort. Actually, sans the usual provocative rhetoric, it would I imagine be very much like a lolcow OP.

Whoever sends documents to the prosecutor or whoever really needs to spend a LOT of time refining the packet so it's fully optimized. Perhaps have one small category of extremely impactful subjects which can be perused and verified with an absolute minimum of effort, then a larger collection of secondary ones after their interest has intensified and/or they have more time to spend on the case. All topics should be pertinent to the asylum case and Nina's trustworthiness therein. And, it definitely needs to be devoid of the usual Kiwi rhetoric regardless of whether or not one feels Greta and Nina deserve such courtesies. We're trying to persuade and educate a trained professional stranger, not amuse a fellow Kiwi.

I did this because after reading about TLL on KF and having two friends commit suicide I felt it was important to validate or invalidate KF's claims. This could only be done on a longer time period (and, yes, I practiced very safe sex during this project).

I wish I had a Semper Fidelis rating to give.

The operator asked if I was transexual, and I said "I don't know" to which the operator replied that I should figure out if I was transexual first before calling back, then hung up.

That's really incensing... Total lack of compassion. They shouldn't even be asking people that. Jesus Fucking Christ.

 

[GS 281]

Yes, I will post the call logs when I'm done. I'm currently formatting the writeup of the initial research and outlining several things: research methodology, what several acronyms means, and how to read the call logs. Conclusions and statistics calculations will have to wait until the conclusion of the research.

Yes, I reached several operators over this time period, but I had to try again later way more often.

No, calls were not recorded. I may live in a legal grey area here, but I didn't want to risk it.

I did this because after reading about TLL on KF and having two friends commit suicide I felt it was important to validate or invalidate KF's claims. This could only be done on a longer time period (and, yes, I practiced very safe sex during this project).

Anyway, I won't discuss much else right now.

I will drop a little spoiler though: I informed one operator that I was suicidal (for the purposes of this research). The operator asked if I was transexual, and I said "I don't know" to which the operator replied that I should figure out if I was transexual first before calling back, then hung up.

I assume you did not really call, but in any event, reading this made me think of an ethical problem associated with this line. Much like physicians are obligated to prevent someone's death, it seems unethical that a suicide provider would tell someone to fuck off because they aren't trans. The nature of the line is that they seek to save transpeople's lives, but to deny help for someone who is not trans is pretty fucked up. Like, if you were designing a suicide hotline, how could you even think it a good idea to turn people away if they weren't trans? Then you see how organized Greta and Nina are with paperwork in the immigration saga and non-profits have to document so much shit, at some point you just have to acknowledge you're an idiot and move on. When Greta will do that? No clue. Maybe when the hardware store pays more.

 

[Tragi-Chan]

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Okay, this comment comes off as...really kind of ignorant to me. But at least it's an open acknowledgement of the media echo chamber, which is rare to come from anyone.

Is she saying that actually the police aren't these anti-LGBT fascists she was led to believe they are (in which case, she may break her programming), or is she making a prison rape joke? If she's making a prison rape joke, that's... I think "problematic" is the word.

I will drop a little spoiler though: I informed one operator that I was suicidal (for the purposes of this research). The operator asked if I was transexual, and I said "I don't know" to which the operator replied that I should figure out if I was transexual first before calling back, then hung up.

That's fucked up. I mean, firstly, the priority should be that a suicidal person has turned to them for help. It seems to me that if you're equipped to deal with a suicidal trans person, you're equipped to deal with a suicidal cis person. If you really can't, then they should be able to point them to someone who can.

But it seems to me that someone who doesn't know if they're trans is perfectly qualified to be calling such a helpline. If you come from a conservative background, you might be unwilling to admit to yourself that you're trans for fear of being ostracised, in which case you might well be saying "I don't know." Or perhaps you're trans, but you're still miserable, and you're wondering if you made the right choice. Or maybe you're having difficulty with the word salad of terminology and aren't sure whether you'd be defined as trans.

I mean, I get that if your service is understaffed, you don't want to be spending time on people who don't require specialist trans counselling. But someone who says "I don't know" is worthy of attention.

 

[repentance]

So let me get this straight. Greta used her friends and TLL to raise over 10k, which could have gone to better volunteer training and giving them a better call management system, and they instead used it on the bride of a deadbeat too lazy to call his state of residence for divorce records?

I don't know if we ever found out how much Nina's bond was and we don't know what legal fees they've had to pay so far. Greta has outright said there'll be ongoing legal fees.

TLL is not short on funds. By their own FB timeline, they got over $200,000 in donations in the last few months of 2016. Given how little they spend on the hotline itself and the trivial cost of their "training", lack of money is not the primary reason for their shitty service.

Given how hard they've ridden their groupies for donations in the last few months, they're going to have to decide whether TLL or personal donations are more important to them in the coming months. "Giving fatigue" is a real phenomenon and you can only manufacture a crisis a month for so long before you start losing donors.

 

[Null]

tfw I could be getting hundreds of thousands of dollars a month to scoot around the country with if I opened an tranny scam community but instead just got you fuckers.

 

[buffaloWildWings]

tfw I could be getting hundreds of thousands of dollars a month to scoot around the country with if I opened an tranny scam community but instead just got you fuckers.

Monetize banning and you'll be nigga-rich, nigga!

 

[lindsayfan]

tfw I could be getting hundreds of thousands of dollars a month to scoot around the country with if I opened an tranny scam community but instead just got you fuckers.

Carpe Troonem, sucka. Financial freedom (via GoFundMe) is only a Facebook pronoun change & a thrift-store frock away...

 

[m0rnutz]

TLL is not short on funds. By their own FB timeline, they got over $200,000 in donations in the last few months of 2016. Given how little they spend on the hotline itself and the trivial cost of their "training", lack of money is not the primary reason for their shitty service.

If they have that much dough but can only afford Nina's ghetto 1990s BASIC programming, they need to either hire an accountant, or fire the current one.

Take bets, who do you think handles the Franklin's coming in?

 

[Cyber Bowling]

I always figured they piss the money away on all their road trips/buying knives and crossbows.

Greta is retarded, but at least smart enough to see the e-begging potential. I bet he puts up a legal defense fundraiser for Nina, and then later does one for TLL, saying how they need extra funds because of how much time/energy is going into all their asylum case.

 

[ADN_VIII]

tfw I could be getting hundreds of thousands of dollars a month to scoot around the country with if I opened an tranny scam community but instead just got you fuckers.

Do we not entertain you?

 

[Kiwifruit Jungle]

I will drop a little spoiler though: I informed one operator that I was suicidal (for the purposes of this research). The operator asked if I was transexual, and I said "I don't know" to which the operator replied that I should figure out if I was transexual first before calling back, then hung up.

So, TLL is not for FtMs, people considering detransition, the detransitioning, and the questioning.

It's an inclusive "hotline" exclusively for autogynephiliacs.

 

[GS 281]

tfw I could be getting hundreds of thousands of dollars a month to scoot around the country with if I opened an tranny scam community but instead just got you fuckers.

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/roderick-leverne-cox-aka-laverne-cox.9953/

I don't know how we ended up with a population that is 50% transgender/lgbt-"ally", but it has slowly rotted away at what the very notion of a lolcow is. We've become Imgur-lite, a shitty, reactionary website filled with easily offended prudes who can't even stomach something they don't like being on the same domain name as where they post.

>if I opened an tranny scam community

 

[keksz]

tfw I could be getting hundreds of thousands of dollars a month to scoot around the country with if I opened an tranny scam community but instead just got you fuckers.

No amount of money is worth being stuck inside a vehicle with the Troon Squad. I can't even imagine the noxious smell Greta the Troll and El Nino must exude after a few hours driving under the sun. Not to mention all the other sacrifices you probably need "to take for the team" if you're planning on joining the crew...