The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

[Chugger]

"So during the war Wizard Hitler using his psychic mind control powers to order the complete extermination of the Jews by using post-hypnotic suggestions coded into various euphemisms. The Nazis were so tricky to never actually issue orders for this genocide unlike literally everything else, so tricky and evil."
"What?"
"This led to the rounding up of all Jews (except all the survivors) and their transport to elaborate death camps with cinemas and dentist offices and swimming pools where the Jews imprisoned for many years until they were genocided with roller coasters, trained bears/eagles, masturbation machines, electric floors, gas chambers, gas vans, and life sized chess games run by evil Nazi officers. Except for the Jews that held their breath or walked backwards to trick the stupid guards."
".....wait, they built death theme parks during a war? Huh?"
"Then they loaded all the Jews into ovens that ran on Jew fat from obese jews, except for the ones they burned in pits, but the point is they cremated every body and destroyed all the evidence forever and buried it in places that modern technology show hasn't been disturbed in hundreds of years but those modern scans are faked by Nazi ghosts and further investigation is illegal per Rabbinical law anyway so it can never be disproved..."
".....so its against the law to check this you say?"
"This is why everyone should feel guilty and give deference to Jews, because Evil Wizard Hitler and the Demon Germans tried to do a genocide but failed so badly that now Jews have their own nuclear ethnostate!"
".....This sounds a bit implausible."
"YOU'RE A BRAIN BROKEN NAZI!"

You did it again.

I said what showed your brain was broken was your insistence I was asserting tattoos proved genocide when I said the exact opposite to you previously. A clear cut case, no ambiguity here. But by all means continuing talking to your imaginary friend.

 

[TJT]

Like look. Here is the objective evidence we actually have. From the Jews own mouths and on the official lolcaust site that has been linked repeatedly (lolcaust ink). For the sake of argument we will refer to lolcaust people as survivors.

• Survivors have tattoos with serial numbers and claim to have received them in the camps.
  • There are multiple formats of serialization.
  • Many have inconsistencies in numbering, number duplication, stylization, and placement.
  • Claims are that these tattoos were for employment purposes.
    • Millions of POWs across the German Stalags and even in lolWitz itself were employed in manual labor. None of these people required tattoos or serialization.
  • Tattooing was unique to Auschwitz for some reason.
  • Mostly Jews were tattooed.
    • Jews claim many Jews were not tattooed, non Jews were tattooed, and only certain categories of prisoners were tattooed.
    • Why were Jews the primary category to receive this to perform manual labor?
• No records survive that associate these serial numbers to individuals.
  • This is the purpose of a serial number system.
  • The Reich was extremely efficient at serializing production on an industrial scale and did so in every other wartime industry.
    • Innumerable specimens of German production survived. Confirmed by empirical analysis to be correct and algorithmically produced.
• The Serial Numbering system went through multiple versions but didn't exist prior to the camps existing.
  • When Jews were in the Ghettos earlier in the War, why did they not have numbers then?
  • Changing the numbering system multiple times but still using both systems makes no sense whatsoever.

If you give every benefit of the doubt to Jews here the only objective conclusion is that tattooing, if it happened at Auschwitz at all, was extremely limited in scope. The majority of tattoos that "survived" to be examined must have been done in the postwar so Jews could fraudulently claim survivorship. Because the propaganda machine couldn't tolerate that it had no choice but to prop up every instance with any convoluted explanation they could. Then shout down anyone who looked too closely as antisemites. This worked unquestionably for over 70 years. As we enter into an era where you will be less and less destroyed for discussing this you will see more and more questions about the whole narrative.

The overall inconsistencies in placement, numbering, sequence, format, style, and so on scream postwar forgery. As whatever the original format was, if it ever existed, was unknown to most Jews outside of the rumor mill. So they create a facsimile that upon first glance looks close enough, but on further examination fails the hallmarks of a mathematical serial number or industrial scale process. Such as so many numbers starting with 1 and number duplication.

 

[Chugger]

No records survive that associate these serial numbers to individuals

This is blatantly false, eg

There's tons of prisoner records w numbers, why would you say there isn't?

Jews could fraudulently claim survivorship

Any Jew living in territories that would come under Nazi control between 1933 - 1945 can claim "survivorship", no tattoo needed.

In your version of events, every Jew that survived Auschwitz and claimed to do so, (this would likely be a total pool of many tens of thousands) would have to get a tattoo or be deemed a liar. Did someone tell them to get fake tattoos? This is where your story becomes much more ridiculous than the mainstream, which poses a system that is "convoluted" in the sense that it would take a few hundred words to explain https://www.auschwitz.org/en/museum/auschwitz-prisoners/prisoner-numbers/

What do you know of Nazi bureaucracy where you can confidently say this system is too convoluted to ever have been used?

but on further examination fails the hallmarks of a mathematical serial number or industrial scale process

Are you asserting without evidence? It's not my job to substantiate claims like this. Show serial numbers in violation of the above system. Without doubt there are those who got fake tattoos*, but this claim is based on a generalized tendency

*eg the gentile author of Stolen Souls, who originated the Masturbation Machine idea which John Doe is so fond of https://www.smh.com.au/entertainmen...is-not-all-that-it-seems-20041217-gdkbx4.html

 

[Danann]

This is blatantly false, eg

There's tons of prisoner records w numbers, why would you say there isn't?

Its one thing for prisoners to be numbered as that's normal routine. What's not normal is tattooing them onto the prisoners, and only Jewish prisoners for that matter. Of course's there's also the fact that you're posting this to prove superficially that "yes, Jews were obviously tattooed by the Nazis to keep track on them as everyone else was treated normally". You Jews and Jew defenders are only angry at this 75+ years later because Hitler just so happened to be a highly public figure who spoke out against the exploits of Jews in business, culture, and especially communism. Even if you had a genie give you a wish to erase all of the true statements, he'd probably reject it because that'd just be straight up retarded.

 

[Chugger]

and only Jewish prisoners for that matter.

What if it wasn't only Jewish prisoners? Did you read this thread lol

They might have done it only to Jews, they were at the bottom racial totem pole for the Nazis, but the simple fact is the tattoo systems was used for all non German permanent prisoners there. Jews that were to be transferred out weren't tattooed. And they weren't the first to be tattooed either.

Of course's there's also the fact that you're posting this to prove superficially that "yes, Jews were obviously tattooed by the Nazis to keep track on them as everyone else was treated normally

No I posted it to in response to the claim "No records survive that associate these serial numbers to individuals"

You guys can't read well eh.

 

[Bonesjones]

What if it wasn't only Jewish prisoners? Did you read this thread lol

So you don't know for sure? Funny I thought you could prove it.

They might have done it only to Jews, they were at the bottom racial totem pole for the Nazis, but the simple fact is the tattoo systems was used for all non German permanent prisoners there.

Might? I thought you knew.

Jews that were to be transferred out weren't tattooed.

Nice job denying the holocaust, it says everyone was with no exceptions.

And they weren't the first to be tattooed either.

Then show us a nonjew from auschwitz who was tattoo'd

You guys can't read well eh.

Ironic

 

[Mr. Frank Einstein Ràtheo]

I’m interested to know why any of you accept the term “Holocaust” as applicable to the allegation against Germany concerning their treatment of Jews during WWII. The word means burnt offering from a Kohen to God. Are we calling the Nazi leadership a bunch of Kohens? Is that why the prince of the Sanhedrin is called a Nasi?

You people LARP as detail-appreciators invested in discerning truth, yet you have nothing to say when confronted with serious surface-level questions. What’s up with that?

And for you who insist that The Burnt Offering played out exactly as we were taught in school, have you seen David Cole in Auschwitz? S-tier journalism from David Cole.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

I mentioned that article on Ursula Haverbeck's passing thread and I think it might be worth to repost in the Holocaust thread.
https://www.unz.com/article/a-brave-woman-has-passed-ursula-haverbeck/
https://archive.ph/2RwZZ

...Ursula might have been allowed to keep such ‘heretical’ thoughts and never suffer a day in court if she had just kept it to herself. But she dared to share her ‘heresy’ with others and to align herself with Germany’s ‘far right’ political dissidents. Tyrannical governments, such as Germany’s, can’t allow their citizenry to ‘notice’ or even publicly question Jewish dogma about what happened at Auschwitz. All of it must be believed. To do otherwise is to invite inquiry, differing opinions, or even disbelief in the entire Holocaust story itself. Thus, it’s better to stamp out a dissenting whisper or even the mildest objection lest the entire house of cards crumble to the ground.

Would Ursula have been fined and imprisoned had she dared to challenge or question whether the Cambodian genocide (1976-1980) by the Khmer Rouge actually occurred? Would she have been arrested for ‘incitement to hatred’ if she professed not to believe certain parts of the Holodomor genocide (1932-1933) that led to the deaths of millions of Ukrainians? Or what would have happened to Ursula if she refused to believe the Armenian genocide by the Turks (1915-1923) in which approximately one million Armenians were brutally slaughtered? Or what if Ursula had thought differently about the Rwandan genocide (1994) which led to the mass murder of nearly one million Tutsis? Would Ursula have been arrested or fined if she declared Joseph Stalin’s mass murder of approximately 50 million people (1929-1953) never occurred or that his regime had nothing to do with the Great Purge which targeted political dissenters? If Ursula were to tell her German countrymen that Mao Zedong’s regime (1949-1976) never led to the mass murder of an estimated 40 to 70 million people, how likely is it that she would have been summoned to the authorities for questioning?

Truth is, nothing would have happened to Ursula. No German court would have criminally convicted her for believing differently about such human genocides, nor for sharing her thoughts to others. The subject of the Holocaust, however, in their minds is an entirely different matter and that not because of its overwhelming historical and numerical veracity when examined carefully, but because of the power, money and influence that Jewish power wields throughout Europe. Jews will not permit any deviation on whether the Holocaust death count was six million or something far less. They will not agree to anything less than Auschwitz being a death camp for the sole purpose of exterminating Jewish prisoners. And they have placed enormous pressure on the German authorities to never allow even the slightest departure from the received narrative...

 

[Bonesjones]

I mentioned that article on Ursula Haverbeck's passing thread and I think it might be worth to repost in the Holocaust thread.

Unz also has several old articles about the holocaust not being real as well.

 

[TJT]

Are you asserting without evidence? It's not my job to substantiate claims like this. Show serial numbers in violation of the above system. Without doubt there are those who got fake tattoos*, but this claim is based on a generalized tendency

*eg the gentile author of Stolen Souls, who originated the Masturbation Machine idea which John Doe is so fond of https://www.smh.com.au/entertainmen...is-not-all-that-it-seems-20041217-gdkbx4.html

German Tank Problem

I have to show you explicit examples of serialization huh? Cute.

 

[Chugger]

German Tank Problem

I have to show you explicit examples of serialization huh? Cute.

I have no idea what your argument is, prisoner numbers were obviously serialized (sequential, order based on time given). BTW your argument about tattoo numbers also applies to all available German paperwork that historians have gone through; that's faked as well I guess. But feel free keep doubling, tripling, quadrupling down, it's a pathology. Revisionists far more educated than you guys aren't making these arguments. You should reflect on that and the strange force compelling you to hold your course.

 

[John.Doe]

that's faked as well I guess.

Tough to tell sometimes who's faking who, isn't it?

 

[Bonesjones]

BTW your argument about tattoo numbers also applies to all available German paperwork that historians have gone through; that's faked as well I guess.

You mean the explicitly not serialized tattoos we talked about? The ones with reused numbers and cross serialization patterns?

But feel free keep doubling, tripling, quadrupling down, it's a pathology. Revisionists far more educated than you guys aren't making these arguments.

Projection. I don't care who makes what argument, either answer it or don't.

You should reflect on that and the strange force compelling you to hold your course.

You should reflect on your entire life and why you chose to be the way you are, because it's clearly not working for you.

 

[Chugger]

You mean the explicitly not serialized tattoos we talked about? The ones with reused numbers and cross serialization patterns?

The only reused numbers were between male and female inmates. I have no idea what cross serialization means.

Why do you think no revisionists have made these kinds of arguments before btw? You really believe you discovered something new here?

 

[TJT]

I have no idea what your argument is, prisoner numbers were obviously serialized (sequential, order based on time given). BTW your argument about tattoo numbers also applies to all available German paperwork that historians have gone through; that's faked as well I guess. But feel free keep doubling, tripling, quadrupling down, it's a pathology. Revisionists far more educated than you guys aren't making these arguments. You should reflect on that and the strange force compelling you to hold your course.

You have to believe that:

1. Germans were capable of algorithmic serialization on an industrial scale to such an extent that it stood up to deep mathematic and statistical analysis. Which it did and the enemies of the Germans proved this. Objectively.
2. Germans completely failed at 1 only when it came to Jews. In the very same conflict where they succeeded at 1.

These two things are contradictory. The far more logical reason for "Germans failing at serialization but only on Jews" is that the majority of tattoos are postwar forgeries. Which would explain the inconsistencies that are not present in other German large scale processes. The very idea of tattooing someone by force and putting a barcode on a living thing like we do to cows and sheep really does pull them heartstrings to the average non sociopathic person. Much in the same way that retard shit like Jewskin lampshades might.

Cross serialization means using different methods of serialization on the same "product." If you will.

 

[Chugger]

Germans completely failed at 1 only when it came to Jews

How did they fail? Why do you believe this

https://archive.ph/tg98z

The one thing they did was "reset" the count for Jews, by preceding the number with A , starting in 44 with the large scale Hungarian deportation. This is what your entire case of failure hinges on?

 

[deermeat]

Jews this, jews that.
How can someone explain away the horrors committed by Nazis and those aligned with them regarding the disabled? I am not talking about bumbling, incapable retards, I am talking those with birth defects and so on. How could you explain away such evil?

All this makes me think though. I used to be one of those "open borders" people until I matured and actually learned how both human nature and economics works, now I can say I am 200% a nationalist who thinks immigrants (regardless of whether or not they came here legally) should be considered second-class citizens while those born in the country, doesn't matter what country, should be prioritized. It's only fair. You have a choice to come here, but being born here makes it a million times harder to leave. Why should a immigrant escaping their country be prioritized over the people struggling in theirs? Why are millions dying from preventable situations while immigrants are being handed free things any other person has to work for? There is no such thing as people being handed things for free, there is always a cost. Immigrants are being handed free housing, easy access to jobs, and free aid at the cost of born citizens.

But I refuse to believe in Nazism. Maybe because its how I was raised but it just doesnt add up on how you can excuse everything the Nazis done when they have done so much,
How do you explain it all? Im just asking questions. Even when it comes to jewish stuff, how do you explain away actors like Audrey Hepfarm surviving starvation anf such? Granted, I am not saying Communism or Marxism is better- as I know people personally who have had family members escape from Russia during its anti jew crusade, but how do you explain away the older people who told me about having releatives who died in the Halocaust?

 

[Bonesjones]

How can someone explain away the horrors committed by Nazis and those aligned with them regarding the disabled?

He said in a time period where genetic testing and abortion for defects is common in every moderately progressive country. Where children are sterilized by doctors because they were convinced they are the opposite sex.

I am not talking about bumbling, incapable retards, I am talking those with birth defects and so on. How could you explain away such evil?

People do evil every day because they've been taught it's not evil.

Why should a immigrant escaping their country be prioritized over the people struggling in theirs?

Why should retarded people in asylum be fed over a starving post war people?

How do you explain it all?

By reading a history book or five. Start with what happened in Germany post world war 1 and you'll figure it out.

how do you explain away the older people who told me about having releatives who died in the Halocaust?

How do you explain old people being genocided still being alive?

 

[Wuornos]

Jews this, jews that.
How can someone explain away the horrors committed by Nazis and those aligned with them regarding the disabled? I am not talking about bumbling, incapable retards, I am talking those with birth defects and so on. How could you explain away such evil?

Germany was at war. Euthanasing the disabled who had no quality of life and who also run the risk of being abandoned and left to starve to death as the war worsened or abused and brutally murdered by the invading Red army was the lesser of two evils.

Life isn't always buttercups and rainbows especially during wartime.

 

[fresh pair of socks]

How can someone explain away the horrors committed by Nazis and those aligned with them regarding the disabled? I am not talking about bumbling, incapable retards, I am talking those with birth defects and so on. How could you explain away such evil?

Germany was interested in Eugenics, same as virtually every developed nation was. The same basic concept of breeding out undesirable characteristics in plants and animals was applied to humans. For example, undesirable people were forcibly sterilized in the United States.

After WWII, the Nazi association became the death knell for Eugenics, and the practice is most closely connected to them, but what you are referring to was not limited to the Nazi party, nor were they the first.