Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Ghostse]

I'm kinda surprised how the early-gen Patriots are performing.

Something that blew me away watching S-400's get whacked by ATACMs and seeing Patriots knock down Khinzals is how quality wise the systems are a lot closer to comparable than initially projected.
I'd spent the better part of a decade in the Milsperg community just living off the assumption that Russia had across-the-board better quality of air-defense, and it wasn't until literally watching cluster TacBMs from the 90's whack Russia's allegedly invincible anti-plane anti-missile anti-everything SAM shield while America's "can't even beat Saddam's SCUD clones!" is able to knock down allegedly un-interceptible missiles that I truly realized just how utterly infected the internet had become with Russian propaganda.

tl;dr: Russian equipment has always been fake and gay. Even since the designs they stole from the Nazis were running low on usefulness in the 60s, they gave up on building better equipment than the Americans, their entire strategy, other than lying, is to find one metric and outdo the west on that metric to the exclusion of everything else. During development they will lie about other metrics, and use the fact they hit the one they really focused on to push cope about the other numbers not being complete fiction.
What we are seeing now is that Russia with their latest and greatest can't even singly out-metric NATO's reserve gear.

Add into, as mentioned, the fact that LockMart, BoingBoing, Rayray, and G-Dyam have a vested interest in pushing that fiction: "Yup, the Russian CrewShredder 700M is a true threat, Russia is definitely understating the capabilities. Give use 500 billion and we'll get you something that will at least spec match"

For the S-400 that metric was range. The S-400 is and always was dogshit at "close in" but boy howdy on a clear day could that radar ping something at altitude. and given a perfect launch angle man could that rocket fly. They tried to bridge that capability gap by linking to the Pantsir & S300 inter-operability but for the Pantsir they went with acquisition time and forgot about things like "detection arc".

Patriot in the Gulf, in addition to having a better kill rate than Sovietsimps try to claim, was hampered by ROE due to the sheer amount of Blue Aircraft in the air, so they weren't operating in autonomous mode; you had to get command permission to press the button and engage, which costs critical seconds.

tl;dr: Everyone just loves the work of Russian Fiction writers.

 

[Fatsuit Shinji]

Despite the advances made since Vietnam, Desert Storm still had a lot friendly fire incidents not just with the U.S. military but allies as well.

 

[Snekposter]

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This is why Freedom>Duty.

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No 'red lines' in Ukraine support, French foreign minister tells BBC​

The French of all people are calling Putin's bluffing for what it is. @mindlessobserver has mentioned them being pissed as fuck about the shit Wagner has been pulling in Francafrique on Russia's behalf and it looks like this is how they've decided to respond. "You fuck us over in Africa, and we'll fuck you over in Ukraine."

https://archive.ph/UNnCC

Russia recruits Yemeni mercenaries to fight in Ukraine​

Yes, the stronk savior of Western civilization is currently hiring a bunch of illiterate sandniggers to go fight for it in Ukraine.

https://archive.ph/mUAzD

Cyprus joining NATO plan presented to Biden​

Well, there's goes the chief money launderer of the oligarchs.

https://archive.ph/GlQ8H

Angela Merkel defends ties with Russia and blocking Ukraine from Nato​

Fucking bitch.

https://archive.ph/mJqiC

Russia's army bigger than two years ago but quality has decreased, says NATO official​

In a completely unsurprising move, NATO announces the obvious. What's more they're saying that even with the size increase the quality of troops and equipment has degraded to the point they're less of a threat now than at the start of the war.

https://archive.ph/QRNoK

Top NATO official calls on business leaders to prepare for 'wartime scenario'​

"Hey, fuckfaces, get your shit together and your supply lines decoupled from Russia and China."

https://archive.ph/P8XzC

China is increasingly unnerved by Russia and North Korea's growing alliance, says top US official​

Whoops. Turns out Moscow and Pyongyang becoming closer friends is making the West's traditional allies unhappy, which is not good news for a China hoping to weaken those ties.

 

[mindlessobserver]

The French of all people are calling Putin's bluffing for what it is. @mindlessobserver has mentioned them being pissed as fuck about the shit Wagner has been pulling in Francafrique on Russia's behalf and it looks like this is how they've decided to respond. "You fuck us over in Africa, and we'll fuck you over in Ukraine."

Oh yeah, the Frogs are hopping mad about all the bullshit Russia has pulled in the Sahel. What's really silly is Russia gains absolutely nothing from pulling all that stuff. It was just Vatnik dick waving to make Putin and Russia look stronk.

 

[MG-34]

This is why Freedom>Duty.

I'm sorry, usually your takes are agreeable but I'll be a zigger before I choose the dopeheads from Snork Lives Matter over Dutyers.

 

[Exterminatus]

Zigger brotherhood and intelligence on full display. Russian Combat Engineer gets run over by Russians while trying to warn them of mines only for the vehicle to touch off said landmines a second later. I don't know what Russian slavaboos see in these moronic snow niggers.
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If you told me this was just some Slav comedy sketch and not war footage I'd believe it.

Add into, as mentioned, the fact that LockMart, BoingBoing, Rayray, and G-Dyam have a vested interest in pushing that fiction: "Yup, the Russian CrewShredder 700M is a true threat, Russia is definitely understating the capabilities. Give use 500 billion and we'll get you something that will at least spec match"

This here is one of the big reasons you have a lot of Americans, especially of the conservative variety, that buy into literally every lie the Russian MOD puts out about their super sekrit weapons. If Raytheon says "Yes super Vatnigger Lazer 9k can destroy 900,000 F-35s in a single blast" well then that gets disseminated among the masses that the Russia military is extremely capable and dangerous.

Though I would say in the long term this is acceptable because I'd rather us be ahead of the curve on warfare than be on par with the bad guys or worse case actually be behind and flatfooted.

 

[World in Scarlet]

What's really silly is Russia gains absolutely nothing from pulling all that stuff.

The countries that have replaced Europeans and Americans military with Russian mercenaries are now in the process of being overrun by jihadists eager to establish a new caliphate. This interferes with mining in the area and causes more migration towards Europe, by displacing locals and because the jihadists make money by trafficking people northwards.
The only thing the Russian mercenaries can do is rape local women and massacre ethnic minorities alongside their government allies, but achieving anything positive isn't necessary for them, though in more stable regions they have a history of enslaving locals to mine gold or stuff like that for them..
If the kleptocratic tyrant gets too scared, he can always re-invite western militaries to clean up the mess (and suffer the terrible oppression of having to scale back government crimes against local dissidents and journalists), and they will do it on their own dime, and at great human cost for the locals, while the Russians crawl back to hell.

This is called "anti-imperialism" in the "multipolar world".

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New red line dare by Medvedev:​

US politicians and journalists are discussing the consequences of providing Kiev with nuclear weapons in earnest. Looks like my sad joke about crazy senile Biden, who’s eager to go out with a bang and take a substantial part of humanity with him, is becoming dangerously real. Giving nukes to a country that’s at war with the greatest nuclear power? The idea is so absurd it makes one suspect Joe The Walking Dead and all those weighing the pros and cons of such a step have massive paranoid psychosis.

As ludicrous as these proposals are, here’s my take:
1) the very threat of transferring nuclear weapons to the Kiev regime will be seen as preparation for nuclear conflict with Russia;
2) the fact of transferring such weapons may be considered as the launch of an attack against our country in accordance with Paragraph 19 of the “Basic Principles of State Policy on Nuclear Deterrence”.

The consequences are obvious.

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[No. 7 cat]

The Pentagon is claiming there's no evidence of Nork soldiers in Ukraine, but rather only in Kursk. This might be true. The contractors cannot really be used and the conscripts and professionals like Marines used seem to be of a poor quality and variously surrender or withdraw. Personally, I'm not sure of this Kursk adventure given that high quality Ukrainian troops are used while pressured fronts in the east buckle to breaking.

The United States does not have any indication that there is a presence of North Korean troops in Russian-occupied territories of Ukraine, Pentagon Deputy Press Secretary Sabrina Singh said on Nov. 25.

"What we're seeing is that (North Korean troops are) positioned around the Kursk region, not moving into Ukraine at the moment," Singh said during a press briefing.

The Pentagon's statement clarifies reports of approximately 11,000 North Korean troops amassing in Russia's Kursk Oblast, training alongside Russian troops in the fight against Ukraine. A Pentagon spokesperson said on Nov. 13 that some North Korean troops have already been deployed to fight together with Russian forces.

A source with Ukraine's General Staff also indicated to Reuters on Nov. 23 that the majority of North Korean soldiers were finalizing training....

Kyiv Independent / original link

However, there is some good news as Ukrainska Pravda reports that Russian forces were pushed back from Kupiansk, near Kharkiv. Russian forces cross the Oksil river, but Ukraine eliminates them.

The Ukrainian defence forces have pushed back the Russians from the town of Kupiansk, Kharkiv Oblast, and are now controlling the situation on the outskirts of the town.

Source: Nazar Voloshyn, the spokesperson for the Khortytsia Operational Strategic Group of Forces, on air with the 24/7 national joint newscast, reported by Ukrinform......

Ukrainska Pravda / original link

However, as we know, Russia keeps sending forces initially in small packets to find weakness. These get eliminated by drone or ground forces, but then a major attack comes. Ukraine exacts a heavy cost, but oftentimes end up conceding areas in the east they need to hold.

Former Polish FM Fotyga says the only certain peace will come from defeating Russia on the battlefield.

The only way to force Russia to quickly end the war in Ukraine is by defeating it on the battlefield.
Former Polish Foreign Minister Anna Fotyga stated this in an interview with Ukrinform.
"Russia can only be forced into peace through strength, reinforced by sanctions. Sanctions alone will not be effective because Putin is capable of finding allies and securing support from countries outside the collective West. Given this, military victory is the only way to compel Russia, regardless of whether Putin or someone else is in charge. This is not just Putin's war," Fotyga emphasized.
She also opposed the idea of Ukraine ceding parts of its territory or sovereignty in exchange for freezing the conflict. "This is unacceptable. Poland has been a victim of aggression, so we will never agree to such measures. It is vital to uphold the international principle of territorial integrity and under no circumstances allow borders to be changed by force," the former minister stressed.
Read also: Putin’s dreams of partitioned Ukraine. The West will never accept another Munich-1938
As reported by Ukrinform, Michal Koudelka, head of the Czech Security and Information Service, has warned NATO countries that pressuring Ukraine to make significant concessions to end the war would only embolden Russia.

Ukrinform / original link

That's wholly right, even it is extraordinarily hard to do, because Putin breaks any deal he makes as soon as is opportune, unless he has essentials of what he wants to steal (see Georgia with one fifth Russian controlled and a puppet government). This happened earlier in Chechnya and Georgia where deals could be broken as soon as they were agreed or were sometimes only about getting a chance to kill their foe. Dudayev, President of the Chechen Republic of Ickheria died from a missile when Dudayev's location was detected from a satellite phone call with a Russian parliamentarian.

 

[World in Scarlet]

It's over.

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Toretsk is in the process of being improved to Russian standard.​

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The is the regional center near the missile range the Oreshnik missile was launched at Ukraine from.​

In the village of Kapustin Yar, Astrakhan Oblast, six thousand residents live without drinking water

Lovely place. Those billions rubles were clearly spent best on a weapon to terrorize neighbors.

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IDK whether anyone here followed Elon's sperg about how the F-35 program needs to be abolished because the aircraft is worthless and broken by design.

 

[No. 7 cat]

Short post from Ryan McBeth on how Putin cannot stop the war. Basically the economy is extraordinarily inflated with little spare capacity. If the war ends, there'll be a horde of young and older men with no prospects who know how to use a gun properly. On that basis slow progress is fine and dandy. Putin doesn't care about the dead as long as he can replace them with trafficked Houthis or Norks. Ryan McBeth is not a leftist (contra Sargon's Wife's Son). He writes for Newsmax which makes the Ukraine subreddit distrust him majorly.



Ukraine evacuates the stray cats from Snake Island.

 

[Snekposter]

This here is one of the big reasons you have a lot of Americans, especially of the conservative variety, that buy into literally every lie the Russian MOD puts out about their super sekrit weapons. If Raytheon says "Yes super Vatnigger Lazer 9k can destroy 900,000 F-35s in a single blast" well then that gets disseminated among the masses that the Russia military is extremely capable and dangerous.

Though I would say in the long term this is acceptable because I'd rather us be ahead of the curve on warfare than be on par with the bad guys or worse case actually be behind and flatfooted.

For those unaware, that plane in pic very related is the MiG-25, which terrified the USA due to its visual similarities with the F-15 that was currently under development. And of course the Russians did their best to hype it up as a super-fighter. And then Viktor Belenko defected with his and everyone at the Pentagon had to pick themselves off the floor once we realized that it could do absolutely nothing besides fly high and fly fast, and not even for very long. In fact, the wings were so heavy due to being made of stainless steel there was a risk of snapping at a mere 5 g's.

 

[QQQ]

It's over.

Ah so this is the supposed "Oreshnik" that ziggers love to boast about.

The is the regional center near the missile range the Oreshnik missile was launched at Ukraine from.

The epitome of the russkiy mir - we will live in a dilapidated shithole and suffer for eternity, and we will make sure that you suffer the same fate as us.

 

[No. 7 cat]

Orban is Billy No Mates at a NATO meeting thanks to shilling for Putin (which is notably shameful given how Hungary suffered when Moscow invaded in 1956)

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

Zigger brotherhood and intelligence on full display. Russian Combat Engineer gets run over by Russians while trying to warn them of mines only for the vehicle to touch off said landmines a second later. I don't know what Russian slavaboos see in these moronic snow niggers.
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Why are Russians like this?

Wait, don't answer that.

 

[Hatter]

plane in pic very related is the MiG-25

That's a MIG-31.

 

[Fuck It We'll Do It Live]

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[msd]

So what now, it seems russia is just hellbent on dragging all of Europe into a war over stupid fucking reasons.

And all the pro russia people are either too retarded, or just don't know that this will affect everyone.

I have friends in Europe

 

[Screamer_2]

tb

So what now, it seems russia is just hellbent on dragging all of Europe into a war over stupid fucking reasons.

And all the pro russia people are either too retarded, or just don't know that this will affect everyone.

I have friends in Europe

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

@No. 7 cat

... Putin breaks any deal he makes as soon as is opportune, unless he has essentials of what he wants to steal (see Georgia with one fifth Russian controlled and a puppet government). This happened earlier in Chechnya and Georgia where deals could be broken as soon as they were agreed or were sometimes only about getting a chance to kill their foe. Dudayev, President of the Chechen Republic of Ickheria died from a missile when Dudayev's location was detected from a satellite phone call with a Russian parliamentarian.

Speaking of Dudayev....



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[Kier Starmer]

So basically Russia is almost out of ATVs and tanks and their army can no longer advance. I have not seen any news of the rail bombings in a while but we know Ukraine were targeting bridges and trainlines to disrupt the flow. For years I have questioned if Russia's nuclear aresnal is even functioning. People think you can just dump warheads in a hanger and whip it out in 45 years. The materials deteriate along with the equipment fails and the Russian's built them so cheaply, we don't even know they will launch without splintering on imploding. Also from what I have seen post Putin and USSR soldiers and generals seem very anti-nuclear because it detracts from your military might.

With their economy about to nosedive as planned with the sanctions etc, civil unrest will heighten and I am sure Putin will meet the fate of most Russian leaders as is tradition.