Dragon Age: The Veilguard - A woke disaster? Yep!

[Prophetic Spirit]

that's an understatement
if you hadn't survived, everything would be fucked

Well, darkspawn chronicles give us a nice alternative of how Alistair was pathetic.

 

[God of Nothing]

Well, darkspawn chronicles give us a nice alternative of how Alistair was pathetic.

to be entirely fair, that's only because you're there to win the fight for the darkspawn
those fucking steel golems were such a pain, holy shit

 

[Kharash]

I done that before. I'm just playing things differentely in each class playthrought.

Fair enough, was just pointing out that he gets over the Loghain thing in that one route at least.
Though I do find it hard not to meta game the Origins ending since there's generally always a vastly superior outcome. It's why I can't really play evil in the game since it just feels like I'm handicapping myself and taking shortcuts in questlines.

 

[God of Nothing]

Fair enough, was just pointing out that he gets over the Loghain thing in that one route at least.
Though I do find it hard not to meta game the Origins ending since there's generally always a vastly superior outcome. It's why I can't really play evil in the game since it just feels like I'm handicapping myself and taking shortcuts in questlines.

At least you can be a greedy dick. They don't let you do that anymore in games these days.

 

[Prophetic Spirit]

At least you can be a greedy dick. They don't let you do that anymore in games these days.

That's my plan in my rogue playthrought: let Alistair die against the archdemon, marrying with Anora and being a smug bastard in general.

 

[Brap God]

On a somewhat related note, Cailan did nothing wrong and is more savvy than anyone in the game gave him credit for. The one mistake he made was underestimating just how much his father-in-law hated the French. Risk the entire fucking country getting raped and cannibalized just so they don't get it, holy shit. Loghain did everything wrong.

Hard disagree. Cailan wasn't a complete dunce, but he wasn't fit for king. Not only is he an idiot to lead the charge against the darkspawn when he has no heir to replace him, his only reason for doing is self satisfaction. And if that wasn't enough, the letters at Ostagar show that he was being played like a fiddle by the Orlesian dyke queen. Loghain might've lacked foresight on how big of a threat the darkspawn truly were but he had no way of knowing, meanwhile all the information he did have pointed to Orlesians trying to snake their way back into Ferelden through political chicanery. There's no reason to think that Cailan could've outmaneuvered Celene once the two would become entrenched in the "game" Orlesians love to play.

 

[God of Nothing]

Hard disagree. Cailan wasn't a complete dunce, but he wasn't fit for king. Not only is he an idiot to lead the charge against the darkspawn when he has no heir to replace him, his only reason for doing is self satisfaction. And if that wasn't enough, the letters at Ostagar show that he was being played like a fiddle by the Orlesian dyke queen. Loghain might've lacked foresight on how big of a threat the darkspawn truly were but he had no way of knowing, meanwhile all the information he did have pointed to Orlesians trying to snake their way back into Ferelden through political chicanery. There's no reason to think that Cailan could've outmaneuvered Celene once the two would become entrenched in the "game" Orlesians love to play.

Joining the bloodlines of Theirin and Valmont would've united two quarrelling nations, further secured Ferelden from any future blights, and promoted further trade since they'd no longer be pissy with a next door neighbor. Killing Cailan or trying to depose him after marriage would just lead to the Ferelden lords seceding from the empire since there'd be no reason at all to follow the empress. If this is about Ferelden becoming like Orlais, you already have Loghain, Eamon, and Howe being politicking fucks, however good the former two's intentions may have been. The only thing standing between Orlais and Ferelden is the Orelesians themselves with their infighting and the mountain range between the two.

Cailan wouldn't have died if Loghain did his job. He had his reasons, yes. Turns out you can have those and still be wrong at the end of the day. And by the fucking Maker was Loghain wrong.

 

[Prokhor Zakharov]

Why can't my HoF get that with Leliana? Or Hawke with Fenris?

Mine did with his witch bitch at the end of Witch Hunt as they walked together through the Eluvian. So far he's the only one of my protagonists to really get a satisfactory ending.

 

[Brap God]

Joining the bloodlines of Theirin and Valmont would've united two quarrelling nations, further secured Ferelden from any future blights, and promoted further trade since they'd no longer be pissy with a next door neighbor.

Everyone would clap their hands and sing kumbaya. It's easy to postulate about the need to unify against the Blight as an outside observer but as I've already pointed out, Loghain had no reason to think the Blight was a big issue.

Killing Cailan or trying to depose him after marriage would just lead to the Ferelden lords seceding from the empire since there'd be no reason at all to follow the empress.

Or it could lead to the occupation of Ferelden. Remember that Ferelden had to fight tooth and nail to win their independence, letting in the nation that had them subjugated establish a foothold within their territory and they won't come out unscathed.

If this is about Ferelden becoming like Orlais, you already have Loghain, Eamon, and Howe being politicking fucks, however good the former two's intentions may have been.

You're missing the point, it's not that there are no schemers in Ferelden politics, it's that the Orlesians can most likely run circles around them in that respect.

Cailan wouldn't have died if Loghain did his job. He had his reasons, yes. Turns out you can have those and still be wrong at the end of the day. And by the fucking Maker was Loghain wrong.

Turns out Loghain isn't omniscient, you are correct.

 

[Snekposter]

Fereledan women may fuck dogs, but Orlesians fuck horses.

 

[RandomTwitterGuy]

I dislike bg3 because it is disrespectful to its source and is a bad game.
I am playing my second playthrough so i can show my friends the things they believe is good is actually shitty.

That is fucking sad as shit. Literally fucking depressing.

If I had a friend who came to me proclaiming that he had finished a game he hated twice to prove to me how bad it was, I would not think the game was bad, but instead how pitiful my friend most felt to do something that sad.

 

[Prokhor Zakharov]

There is one thing I am grateful to Veilguard for, it gave me the impetus to finish Inquisition, which was absolutely for the better, and to play Origins, DA2, & Inquisition again. I never finished the Dalish Elf Rogue playthrough for Origins, and I've only played through DA2 once. With all the mods out there for both that fix many of the bugs, and correct many of the other issues, it should be fun to play them again.

I'm open to any suggestions for mods for Origins, DA2, & Inquisition that anyone has played with here that they think either corrects a serious issue with the game itself, or really adds to the value of a playthrough.

I'll be interested to see if I can actually get Inquisition up to the native refresh rate for my monitor (144 Hz) with my 3060. I hope so. but, you never know.

 

[God of Nothing]

Everyone would clap their hands and sing kumbaya. It's easy to postulate about the need to unify against the Blight as an outside observer but as I've already pointed out, Loghain had no reason to think the Blight was a big issue.

Or it could lead to the occupation of Ferelden. Remember that Ferelden had to fight tooth and nail to win their independence, letting in the nation that had them subjugated establish a foothold within their territory and they won't come out unscathed.

You're missing the point, it's not that there are no schemers in Ferelden politics, it's that the Orlesians can most likely run circles around them in that respect.

Turns out Loghain isn't omniscient, you are correct.

and not a single one of those bad things in the what-if he was imagining happened while loghain nearly doomed the world
wop wop

 

[FatalTater]

I was watching some more of the game on YouTube and most of the writing is painfully amateur-level.
There are so many lines that seem like placeholders that were meant to be rewritten into something a person might actually say, but made it into the finished product.
I wonder how much were the writers getting paid, and what were they actually doing with their time, because doing their job didn't seem like a priority.


I've seen this game referred to as a "friend group simulator."
Reminder for the basement dwellers among us, if your friend group makes you do pushups for eating food at a social gathering even after you say sorry? They are not your friends.

 

[Prokhor Zakharov]

and not a single one of those bad things in the what-if he was imagining happened while loghain nearly doomed the world
wop wop

Not to mention with the "Secret Ending" that we find out that Loghain didn't support the king out of some great strategy, etc... but was because of the influence of sinister forces that secretly control the world from the shadows (which totally fucking ruins any reasonable angle for why Loghain acted as he did and makes him a retarded puppet).

I've seen this game referred to as a "friend group simulator."
Reminder for the basement dwellers among us, if your friend group makes you do pushups for eating food at a social gathering even after you say sorry? They are not your friends.

I'd say it's more like a "group home simulator", because all the characters clearly have mental disorders and autism given the way they interact with one another and other people. You walk into their room and they don't even acknowledge you while they work on something that interests them, that is hardcore autism. Or the one that is busy having a argumentative conversation with their "inner demon" which only they can hear, who is clearly a schizo.

 

[God of Nothing]

Not to mention with the "Secret Ending" that we find out that Loghain didn't support the king out of some great strategy, etc... but was because of the influence of sinister forces that secretly control the world from the shadows (which totally fucking ruins any reasonable angle for why Loghain acted as he did and makes him a retarded puppet).

as far as i'm concerned everything after origins doesn't exist
seriously, everything is so much better if you just cut off 90% of the franchise from its roots

 

[Brap God]

and not a single one of those bad things in the what-if he was imagining happened while loghain nearly doomed the world
wop wop

What's the point of engaging in fictional hypotheticals if you're simply gonna metagame everything?

 

[God of Nothing]

What's the point of engaging in fictional hypotheticals if you're simply gonna metagame everything?

Other than the fact they're definitive happenings, it's so i can win.

But in all seriousness, that many Darkspawn above ground was enough proof the Blight was real. Sure, they were thought extinct by surface-dwellers but the Grey Wardens and the Dwarves Cailan has visited before could confirm they still exist. The Grey Wardens being around to confirm wasn't that much of a reassurance to people unaware of how the taint works but still. Orleis could've done some invasion shit on Fereldan, but then the Blight would become their problem too on top of rebellion from local lords who can't see it coming. If it really were an Orlesian invasion, then all there'd be was some harsh fighting. If it were a Blight, being lorded over by foreigners would be the least of the Ferelden worries.

There was far more to lose if it was a Blight than if the Orlesians were invading while they're distracted. Most of Ferelden's forces were already with Cailan, so he could've just as easily turned back to fight them after dealing with what would've been just a small army of Darkspawn instead of an entire invading force. He would've needed to deal with the Darkspawn anyway. One side of Fereldan would've been ravaged in that event. In the case of Loghain's betrayal, the entire south and central areas of Ferelden were devastated.

 

[Brap God]

But in all seriousness, that many Darkspawn above ground was enough proof the Blight was real. Sure, they were thought extinct by surface-dwellers but the Grey Wardens and the Dwarves Cailan has visited before could confirm they still exist. The Grey Wardens being around to confirm wasn't that much of a reassurance to people unaware of how the taint works but still. Orleis could've done some invasion shit on Fereldan, but then the Blight would become their problem too on top of rebellion from local lords who can't see it coming. If it really were an Orlesian invasion, then all there'd be was some harsh fighting. If it were a Blight, being lorded over by foreigners would be the least of the Ferelden worries.

The issue is that the last Blight happened 400 years ago. It's practically an old wive's tale for most people, so it makes sense for Loghain to do what he did. My only point is that Cailan isn't some pariah and Loghain a dumb villain. They're both flawed men that fell victim to their own shortcomings.

 

[Gravityqueen4life]

Still playing tranny guard. just got Taash and Emmrich. Taash makes me angry everytime she opens her mouth. Everyone more or less speak in new-speak but Taash dosent even try to pretend to be part of Thedas. every line she speaks is immersion breaking. She also such a immature bitch you cant take her seriously at all. The state of a trannies mind is truly horrifying.

Emmrichis is the polite friendly grandpa. Thats it so far.

Its so funny how Necromancy is such a positive thing in the Dragon Age world. makes me almost forget when i went Lich during my Pathfiner WOTR playthrough and brought TMD (Total Mortal Death) to build my skeleton army.