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[Xarpho's Return]

Since OP asked for people working in "high paying jobs", the basement-dwelling majority of the subreddit's subscribers didn't comment. Still, there isn't a single non-white collar job listed in the entire thread. OP himself is a janitor who has to drive to work; do the retard office workers telling him to learn to code not realize that someone has to come and clean their buildings and they can't afford to live near the business district (or they want to live in a house) and transit doesn't run/is slow when they need to commute?

Plus, that's also daytime. None of the poor sods who work night shift can rely on after hours transit, even in large cities.

 

[CFC-12]

/r/fuckcars discusses what jobs enable them to live car-free:
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They're all rich office workers who either work-from-home or live close to the office:
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Since OP asked for people working in "high paying jobs", the basement-dwelling majority of the subreddit's subscribers didn't comment. Still, there isn't a single non-white collar job listed in the entire thread. OP himself is a janitor who has to drive to work; do the retard office workers telling him to learn to code not realize that someone has to come and clean their buildings and they can't afford to live near the business district (or they want to live in a house) and transit doesn't run/is slow when they need to commute?

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Lmao what a shock, the people who shill for car-free societies are wealthy techies with nothing jobs who don't have kids and can afford to live in insanely expensive urban centres. Color me surprised.

 

[Sexy Peach Emoji]

Still, there isn't a single non-white collar job listed in the entire thread. OP himself is a janitor who has to drive to work; do the retard office workers telling him to learn to code not realize that someone has to come and clean their buildings and they can't afford to live near the business district (or they want to live in a house) and transit doesn't run/is slow when they need to commute?

They don't care. People have to simply accept having to block large chunks of time to public transit, buts its cool because they can just stream Rick and Morty while waiting/transiting. Stop being a selfish carbrained tool.

 

[Swiss46]

Matt Walsh really triggered them by saying that HSR combines the worst aspects of driving and flying:

God I love these maps made by people who clearly have no fucking idea about the regions they're talking about. For one Southern Michigan is like entirely small towns and farmer fields this rail system would have to navigate all so people could go to Detroit. Fucking Detroit? Nobody wants to go to Detroit and if you're being forced to go to Detroit it's like a 2 hour drive at most.

 

[Bonesjones]

God I love these maps made by people who clearly have no fucking idea about the regions they're talking about. For one Southern Michigan is like entirely small towns and farmer fields this rail system would have to navigate all so people could go to Detroit. Fucking Detroit? Nobody wants to go to Detroit and if you're being forced to go to Detroit it's like a 2 hour drive at most.

I like how they think high speed rail means an express train from one destination to another (just like Disney!) And that no one in between gets a say on if they get a stop or not. When it's instead just like puddle jumper connection flights, where you spend more time boarding and deboarding than you do in transit.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

God I love these maps made by people who clearly have no fucking idea about the regions they're talking about. For one Southern Michigan is like entirely small towns and farmer fields this rail system would have to navigate all so people could go to Detroit. Fucking Detroit? Nobody wants to go to Detroit and if you're being forced to go to Detroit it's like a 2 hour drive at most.

What are those stubs supposed to be, that the line takes a detour out to Salt Lake City, and then goes back the same way, or some routes take the detour to SLC and some don't?

If they're envisioning it like a metro, most of them just have the "Blue Line" or whatever and could skip some on express service but it doesn't go out of the way either way. Only in places like New York is there really unintuitive lines that make zero sense and I doubt New Yorkers even know anything by heart other than "their" line, anything else they'd have to pull out their phone for. There aren't any routes that go out of the way, that's where they terminate.

 

[quaawaa]

Crossposting this from another thread:

I'll put this here as I'm calling bullshit on China's advancements... They only steal IP's and with their TOFU DREG CONSTUCTION, the shit they build does not last long... Utter shit.

CHINA LIES...
CHINA STEALS...
CHINA EATS EVERYTHING...

Spoiler: Archive

Summary: China double-crossed Japan/Germany by stealing their technology and canceling their order for foreign-manufactured trains, Japan/Germany cut off China's supply of wheels and bearings, Chinese-manufactured replacements suck, China now has to choose between running their 350 kph (217 mph) trains at 140 kph (87 mph) or suffering extreme vibration.

 

[Midwit]

China now has to choose between running their 350 kph (217 mph) trains at 140 kph (87 mph) or suffering extreme vibration

>high speed rail network
>runs slower than Anglo main lines that were laid down over a century ago
That is hilarious.

 

[BulkForceFive]

>high speed rail network
>runs slower than Anglo main lines that were laid down over a century ago
That is hilarious.

I would feel much safer riding a Chinese train at slow speed than high speed, and a Chinese train at any speed beats Chinese highways. If you don't get rammed by a truck filled with nitroglycerin the high pressure sewer pipe next to the highway bursts and you spin out in a torrent of turds.

 

[Meriasek]

Crossposting this from another thread:

Spoiler: Archive

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Summary: China double-crossed Japan/Germany by stealing their technology and canceling their order for foreign-manufactured trains, Japan/Germany cut off China's supply of wheels and bearings, Chinese-manufactured replacements suck, China now has to choose between running their 350 kph (217 mph) trains at 140 kph (87 mph) or suffering extreme vibration.

Nice. Gotta say, German high speed rail might be unreliable and prone to delays (due to sharing tracks with slower trains often), but when it does run at 300 kph it's smooth af.
Interestingly enough, the newest ICE version also reduced its top speed compared to its predecessor for improved reliability, citing that the amount of tracks certified for 300+ kph were few and far, and the improved reliability at 250 kph was worth being a little slower on those tracks.

 

[TORtlEMUStRaNSUS]

Nice. Gotta say, German high speed rail might be unreliable and prone to delays (due to sharing tracks with slower trains often), but when it does run at 300 kph it's smooth af.
Interestingly enough, the newest ICE version also reduced its top speed compared to its predecessor for improved reliability, citing that the amount of tracks certified for 300+ kph were few and far, and the improved reliability at 250 kph was worth being a little slower on those tracks.

I like high speed rail as an option. I think having options is important to transit. I am not against rail, buses, highways, or planes. I think we should invest in infrastructure in general, at least my tax dollars would be doing something.

 

[Yamamura]

I like high speed rail as an option. I think having options is important to transit. I am not against rail, buses, highways, or planes. I think we should invest in infrastructure in general, at least my tax dollars would be doing something.

With fuckcars and the other zealots you get people who think in extremes where they believe everything can be replaced with trains or public transport and that it's a zero sum game. It goes to show that some of these people are so off the rails (no pun intended) that even a train autist in Japan wouldn't say they should abolish cars or personal transport.

 

[Großmann]

I discovered Not Just Bikes and others like him about three years ago by accident and I thought they made interesting points about inefficiency in city design and how gimped America’s rail system is, but, like every politically oriented group, they started getting absurdly extreme with their ideas until I tuned out. Why can’t Internet People find a way to discuss issues without purity spiraling into stupidity?

 

[quaawaa]

Urbanist thinks that school zones are bad for trams:


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[JenkinsJinkies]

Urbanist thinks that school zones are bad for trams:

I would assume they love school zones since they get to slow down and stare at the children longer? Oh you said traMs...

 

[Xarpho's Return]

I discovered Not Just Bikes and others like him about three years ago by accident and I thought they made interesting points about inefficiency in city design and how gimped America’s rail system is, but, like every politically oriented group, they started getting absurdly extreme with their ideas until I tuned out. Why can’t Internet People find a way to discuss issues without purity spiraling into stupidity?

I don't even think their talking about the city design being "inefficient" is a very good point since cities are more than just numbers and how many people you can cram into one space. Plus ITT they outright lie a number of times.

Urbanist thinks that school zones are bad for trams:

It's not from /r/fuckcars but it does prove two things we already knew:

- The "kids lined up under a truck" is posturing. How many kids can you lay down in front of a streetcar before it sees one?
- That advocating for slower speeds on streets is completely arbitrary. It's not a problem that cars grind down to 20 mph for speed limits, but then when trains have to follow the same thing, it becomes a problem.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Trams inhabit a weird space in the USA - they're either railroads and regulated federally (which has its own sorts of fun associated) or they are technically busses on rails and regulated by the city/state. The latter causes them to have to follow traffic laws.

 

[Yamamura]

That advocating for slower speeds on streets is completely arbitrary. It's not a problem that cars grind down to 20 mph for speed limits, but then when trains have to follow the same thing, it becomes a problem.

It was always about making the experience of driving cars intentionally worse. To paraphrase what Hank Hill said about Christianity and rock, "you aren't making getting around better, you're just making driving worse".

The "kids lined up under a truck" is posturing. How many kids can you lay down in front of a streetcar before it sees one?

People who say "think of the children" don't actually think of the children? Say it ain't so!

I discovered Not Just Bikes and others like him about three years ago by accident and I thought they made interesting points about inefficiency in city design and how gimped America’s rail system is, but, like every politically oriented group, they started getting absurdly extreme with their ideas until I tuned out. Why can’t Internet People find a way to discuss issues without purity spiraling into stupidity?

It sort of reminds me of something my science teacher said in high school. A lot of students give the correct answer initially... But then the problem is they don't stop there. They have a good point, but then they keep talking and progressively become more and more wrong until the teacher has no choice but to mark the entire answer wrong.

Similar to a student trying to show off I think people like Jason fancy themselves as intellectuals who want to make a greater point to be profound. So whatever underlying correct point they might have had is completely lost by their Dunning Kruger rambling.

 

[Maurice Maine]

I would feel much safer riding a Chinese train at slow speed than high speed, and a Chinese train at any speed beats Chinese highways. If you don't get rammed by a truck filled with nitroglycerin the high pressure sewer pipe next to the highway bursts and you spin out in a torrent of turds.

The quality and build of Chinese highways are of dubious taste and efficacy but I too would rather prefer using that than having to share the road with Chinese drivers and their inhuman shitboxes

 

[Xarpho's Return]

It was always about making the experience of driving cars intentionally worse. To paraphrase what Hank Hill said about Christianity and rock, "you aren't making getting around better, you're just making driving worse".

People who say "think of the children" don't actually think of the children? Say it ain't so!

Hence what I said "prove two things we already knew".

It sort of reminds me of something my science teacher said in high school. A lot of students give the correct answer initially... But then the problem is they don't stop there. They have a good point, but then they keep talking and progressively become more and more wrong until the teacher has no choice but to mark the entire answer wrong.

I should probably mention in this in the school stories thread but that's how one of the teachers in my high school quit sponsoring the environmental club. They come up with the idea of recycling bins accompanying trash cans in school, which was actually a success, but it also made them feel like they could no wrong, so their next goal was to add solar panels to the school. Sponsor teacher tells them it's a bad idea, and that drove them to break apart.