Disaster EU authority demands real-time surveillance of phones and laptops starting 2025

Another bespoke translation by yours truly. Original source [A] at Apollo News
Unfortunately the Euractiv article which is being referred to is behind a paywall - if someone supplies it to me, I'll gladly update this OP

2024-11-27 Update: Added the HLG statement as PDF and individual screenshots, thanks @Garamok


EU authority demands real-time surveillance of phones and laptops starting 2025​


A EU authority demands that the Commission permits a real-time surveillance of phones and laptops starting in 2025, in order to fight against organized crime. Messages should be readable even before they get sent or after they have been received.

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The transparent phone: For fighting crime, privacy is to be eroded. (symbolic image)

A EU authority is demanding real-time surveillance of phones and laptops starting in 2025. They demand that the police shall be able to read messages in the entire European Union in real-time. The occasion: fighting organized crime. For the "High-Level Group (HLG) on access to data for effective law enforcement", data protection and privacy play nothing but a formal role.

The HLG consists of members from the EU Commission, representatives of the EU member states, and law enforcement agencies. On November 22, the HLG demanded that the EU Commission submit a proposition in the coming year to allow a real-time access on communications data. This is reported by Euractiv. Already in May, the HLG presented its preliminary research results in a report. The group was set up in 2023 and works on finding out how law enforcement agencies can get an easier access to data in order to fight against organized crime. In a concluding report from November 15, the group presented its results and demands.

Thus, the concluding report criticized that the different regulations regarding data retention in the individual EU states lead to problems in cross-border criminal prosecution. Specifically, the HLG demanded in their preliminary report from May that the industry should be mandated to cooperate with the agencies so that the police gets access to data that allows for an identification of users, such as the storing of IP addresses. In addition, they demand that non-cooperative electronic communication services shall be subject to prohibitive sanctions.

Read messages even before they are sent​


Already in May, they demanded that there shall be a EU initiative which allows for looking at "data in transit", thus do real-time surveillance. In the concluding report from November 15, the HLG doubled down on the demand and strongly demanded that the Commission issue a corresponding proposition in 2025. By real-time surveillance, the HLG means that messages are able to be read even before they are sent, or shortly after they reached the recipient.

In the concluding report, they also said that the fact that they can't access the data in real-time allegedly causes big difficulties for crime prevention. Police officers have to make use of methods like installing cameras or microphones, which are dangerous for the officers. If you are not able to read messages, all other persons surrounding a suspect must be surveilled too. The HLG also demands more funding in the coming EU budget to stock up on means for "digital forensic tools".

Currently, there is no mutual regulation for mass data retention in the European Union because the European Court of Justice has declared the prior guideline on data retention invalid in 2014. The European Data Protection Committee criticized the HLG's demands in a statement on November 4. The demands would strongly invade the right to data protection and privacy. The committee also criticized the demand to weaken encryption.



Statement 5/2024 on the Recommendations of the High-Level Group on Access to Data for Effective Law Enforcement​


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Read messages even before they are sent
Is this why newer versions of android require so much RAM? There is no way that anyone can convince me that the higher RAM requirements are for new features and a better user experience. WHAT NEW FEATURES? It can't be Google Assistant, which existed since at least Android 7. It can't be Material Design, which existed since Android 10. Maybe its Google Play Services bloat, but Google play services are spyware and MicroG is infinitely better. If anything, they are removing old features (such as the amount of things you can do without root access).
VersionAndroid version
numbers
Minimum RAM
required
Android Go
release date
Android release
date
8.1 Oreo (Go edition) 8.1512 MBDecember 5, 2017December 5, 2017
9 Pie (Go edition) 9512 MBAugust 15, 2018August 6, 2018
10 (Go edition) 10512 MBSeptember 25, 2019September 3, 2019
11 (Go edition) 111 GBSeptember 10, 2020September 8, 2020
12 (Go edition) 121 GBDecember 14, 2021October 4, 2021
13 (Go edition) 132 GBOctober 19, 2022August 15, 2022
14 (Go edition) 142 GBDecember 15, 2023October 4, 2023
This spreadsheet that I stole from Wikipedia isn't even for regular Android. Its for Android Go, which is supposed to be a lighter weight
alternative of regular Android for lower spec phones.
 
This is all very well, but all that will happen will be that organised crime gangs will simply recruit better experts who will circumvent the activities of the lower level operatives that law enforcement agencies will be able to attract\retain.
They are not even the game they wanna hunt here, chief. It's the unskilled normie masses, the boomers that engage in wrong think every now and then. One can argue they fully deserve it, on the other hand I hate totalitarian moralfaggotry like you wouldn't believe...
 
This would be a nightmare, both to TRY and implement and from a conceptual standpoint for human rights and freedom. It would also be an end to encryption, service or user side.

The before sent thing though. Do they mean before being sent from a centralized in-between server, or something much less realistic in the form of some kind of pre-transmission communication, or something totally insane like from the typing out stage? (which is terrifyingly technically maybe possible thanks to how things like auto-correct works)

This is full totalitarian police state shit here! The last thing we need is it getting normalized.
 
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This would be a nightmare, both to TRY and implement and from a conceptual standpoint for human rights and freedom. It would also be an end to encryption, service or user side.

The before sent thing though. Do they mean before being sent from a centralized in-between server, or something much less realistic in the form of some kind of pre-transmission communication, r something totally insane like from the typing out stage? (which is terrifyingly possible thinks to how things like auto-correct works)

This is full totalitarian police state shit here! The last thing we need is it getting normalized.
uuuuh dont ask questions ok, tech illiterate EU can magically make shit happen by passing a bill
 
Can you imagine Null's reaction when European authorities ask him to enable eavesdropping on KF?
insert Elon Musk "go fuck yourself" clip here

The before sent thing though. Do they mean before being sent from a centralized in-between server, or something much less realistic in the form of some kind of pre-transmission communication, or something totally insane like from the typing out stage? (which is terrifyingly technically maybe possible thanks to how things like auto-correct works)
I understand it as while typing it out, before pressing send
 
why is there no way this sort of electronic intrusion can work in reverse? Like spying on politicians. I know, I know, it’s not that simple and is far more complicated than that.

But still, if they have an open line to you, why hasn’t someone made it a two-way connection? Seems perfectly fair.
For even insinuating spying on politicians, you'll get armed police arriving at your location in 3... 2...

... unless you're a USA intelligence agency, in which case it's all good, mang

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and unless the politicians in question are AfD/Republican
then go spy all you want and violate all their rights, you have no persecution to fear
 
I understand it as while typing it out, before pressing send
Type it on a machine not connected to the internet. Load your shitpost on an USB drive and transfer it to the thing you're using for internet bullsht. Send it. The internet cafe will make a comeback, rest assured.
 
Type it on a machine not connected to the internet. Load your shitpost on an USB drive and transfer it to the thing you're using for internet bullsht. Send it. The internet cafe will make a comeback, rest assured.
Slow down, bucko, we're gonna need your complete birth certificate, a notarized photocopy of your identification, your phone password, and a sample of your front teeth before you're allowed to use that computer
 
For even insinuating spying on politicians, you'll get armed police arriving at your location in 3... 2...

... unless you're a USA intelligence agency, in which case it's all good, mang

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and unless the politicians in question are AfD/Republican
then go spy all you want and violate all their rights, you have no persecution to fear

It would be delicious to have a public stream of feds homes but I’m just having a power fantasy right now.
 
I really like the idea of basically requiring devices be screensharing 100% of the time to the government or that all phones have a keylogger which constantly phones home installed, especially when ISPs have to deal with the end result in extra bandwidth...

Unrelated headline: Phones in the EU magically use 50% more battery, constantly hot enough to cook an egg on the screen, puzzling experts.
 
Slow down, bucko, we're gonna need your complete birth certificate, a notarized photocopy of your identification, your phone password, and a sample of your front teeth before you're allowed to use that computer
lol, given how retarded the EU is, this will be a thing by 2028 or so.
 
I don't think this is about stopping wrongthink itself. I think it's about stopping wrongthink groups from organizing. You can go on the clearnet right now and call niggers niggers, and deny the holocaust all you want. Most of us do it every day.
btw I am a citizen of an EU country and I don't practice any opsec that would prevent a law enforcement agency from tracking me on the internet. I am a racist and a "homophobe" and I don't give a fuck.
 
Your first mistake is thinking this has anything to do with organized crime. That is just the cover to wire tap everyone's phones/internet and further amplify the EU's ability to control every Eurocuck's life.
Well yeah, why else does the EU keep "organized crime" around (beside the aforementioned drugs and child slaves)? They have to have some excuse when they need to restrict people's rights.
 
It's not like you can't built a laptop from scratch.
I’m not sure that would help though? You can for sure not use the OS like the Microsoft one that wants to take a snapshot of what you do every few seconds and store it.
Someone more knowledgeable than me can say but I thought the back doors are in the chips themselves? The parts you use to build your laptop will be spying on you. If you air gap it, it’ll store it and phone home when it’s connected.
Paper and pen it is.
 
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