YABookgate

[Wodanaz]

The writing community is sexist against men in general. Women run the show.

This comes from a wanna-be writer that went on sexist rants in 2018, though. Take it with a large popcorn from AMC of salt.

Are you referring to the presence of HR karen types who pick and choose which manuscripts to publish? Or just a general pervasive wokepozzed WEF agenda? What did you mean by this? Judging by other industries of big tech and government, I wouldn't be surprised if there were a lot of useless nepobaby professional email writers in publishing and such.



I am reminded of this meme image constantly when the differences between men and women are brought up. The data comes from this article, which itself appears to be estimated since IMDB did not make it. I always come back to how almost no movies ranked highly by men were released after the year 2000, the inverse being true for women. I don't need to point out the hilarious presence of harry potter, a child's entry level series. It just makes me wonder, if harry potter is ranked highly by women and lowly by men, then why aren't marvel movies or some similar slop ranked highly by men and lowly by women? Very curious.

 

[Shaneequa]

Anyone now being able to write a book is both a blessing and a curse

Ironically, it makes people who consume books more valuable. The critic never has more power than when there's no gatekeeper. When presented with an overwhelming amount of choice, the consumer will seek out filters, they'll search for a curator/reviewer with similar tastes and read what they read, or they''ll entrench themselves in increasingly hyper-specific niches (Like those billionaire romance books, which in concept are a subgenre of a subgenre of a subgenre).

 

[SphinxItOver]

Do you guys reckon anyone is stupid enough to pay $5,000 to an AI-based vanity press, just so that press publishes their chatbot slop? I can't imagine anyone paying Spines for this. The whole argument for using AI to make your book (according to the AI writers, which I am not one of) is that it is more affordable to use AI art and editing rather than hiring a real artist and editor for a self-published book. But now Spines is charging more than most human artists and editors on Fiverr or Upwork charge. Why would any author want the hassle of being boycotted and criticized for using AI, and have to spend $5,000 for it? If you're an AI author, just use KDP and be done with it.

Horrifying! As if the market wasn't already in a death spiral. I truly hope there's some regulation that forces these types of books to be labeled as AI asset flipping slop. 100% this will find a chunk in the market. Future gens are so fucked.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Popped up on my dash lol is YouTube stalking my history now?

 

[Alexander Thaut]

Popped up on my dash lol is YouTube stalking my history now?

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remember, it's sexist if men do it

 

[Commissar Fuklaw]

remember, it's sexist if men do it

Yeah, this was in the comments.




The one thing that really disturbs me about that video is the drowning while having sex part. I just can't get it out of my head. That's some really, really sick and violent imagery.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

Yeah, this was in the comments.

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The one thing that really disturbs me about that video is the drowning while having sex part. I just can't get it out of my head. That's some really, really sick and violent imagery.

the house plans were weird

 

[Kari Kamiya]

The one thing that really disturbs me about that video is the drowning while having sex part.

I missed that listening to it in the background lmao. That's the "realistic" take on the sex in a pool trope or the mermaid romance, I guess.

 

[Henri Barbusse]

I kind of wonder how many readers have removed themselves from the market by only reading copyright free stuff. I read over 100 books every year, but I only buy one or two new. The rest is cheap second hand copies or just browsing digital archives (or just pirating academic books because fuck academic publishers). I would be interested in new books, since there's new subjects to write about that weren't there in the 19th century, but the books published are just crap.

My latest example of this is that early 20th century rendition of Alaskan native legends says that some legends were expunged for being obscene, but when I tried to look up newer editions, I was hit with "legends are property of indigenous people and shouldn't be retold".

I can read books in four different languages and working on a fifth, so I'm never running out of things to read, but I still sometimes get a hankering for something more contemporary.

 

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My latest example of this is that early 20th century rendition of Alaskan native legends says that some legends were expunged for being obscene, but when I tried to look up newer editions, I was hit with "legends are property of indigenous people and shouldn't be retold".

You can't really get a good book of native myths and legends anymore, you have to go look through recent anthropology or linguistics papers or books to find them. So like you mentioned, that's all in academic publications.

 

[Wodanaz]

My latest example of this is that early 20th century rendition of Alaskan native legends says that some legends were expunged for being obscene, but when I tried to look up newer editions, I was hit with "legends are property of indigenous people and shouldn't be retold".

Unless it's Norse mythology, in which case it doesn't count because white people.

 

[Three Gorillion Dollars]

The writing community is sexist against men in general. Women run the show.

This comes from a wanna-be writer that went on sexist rants in 2018, though. Take it with a large popcorn from AMC of salt.

They do run the show. The industry's own census data makes it clear with something like 75 - 80 per cent of all employees in the publishing industry being women. It's also pretty clear if you check out agencies. There might be a man running the agency, but the majority of agents will be women.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

I kind of wonder how many readers have removed themselves from the market by only reading copyright free stuff. I read over 100 books every year, but I only buy one or two new. The rest is cheap second hand copies or just browsing digital archives (or just pirating academic books because fuck academic publishers). I would be interested in new books, since there's new subjects to write about that weren't there in the 19th century, but the books published are just crap.

I'm an active proponent of telling people who go "I've always wanted to get into reading" and then just nudging and seeing what they're into. Often it just turns out that they don't feel like modern slop is entertaining, or they want something shorter.

There's plenty of great works to read in every genre, but the thing is that a lot of it won't be contemporary.

So, once again, I find myself easily and repeatedly recommending Lovecraft and Howard often enough. If they're not looking for that, then it usually winds up going into the likes of Wodehouse, Asimov, Hammett, or Bradbury. Not saying this is exclusive, but a lotta short fiction recommendations I make tend to start out with those 6. Turns out it works well too. If they want weirder or darker stuff, then there's Jack Vance, Harlan Ellison, and PKD.

My latest example of this is that early 20th century rendition of Alaskan native legends says that some legends were expunged for being obscene, but when I tried to look up newer editions, I was hit with "legends are property of indigenous people and shouldn't be retold".

I don't get why we get so much asinine gatekeeping by shitlib types. It's funnier when we just bypass them and they break down in a seething and crying fit.

I can read books in four different languages and working on a fifth, so I'm never running out of things to read, but I still sometimes get a hankering for something more contemporary.

Hell, I feel you. I'm not able to read in that wide of a spread, but I enjoy going through sci-fi/fantasy/pulps/noir and there's just such a shitload of material of every kind that I just don't care about reading modern slop. Like, cool, I could give modern slop a try or I could just go read something that'll feel like it's more worth my time in Edmond Hamilton or Raymond Chandler.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

My latest example of this is that early 20th century rendition of Alaskan native legends says that some legends were expunged for being obscene, but when I tried to look up newer editions, I was hit with "legends are property of indigenous people and shouldn't be retold".

Shitlibs are still mad native populations haven't died out to take their stories to their graves, so they silence them through other means instead.

 

[Gnillik Yot]

Shitlibs are still mad native populations haven't died out to take their stories to their graves, so they silence them through other means instead.

No, the liberal line is its only bad for white people to retell the stories. Several native authors have launched careers telling native fantasy stories.

 

[Breadquanda.]

Unless it's Norse mythology, in which case it doesn't count because white people.

Sorry, chud, but that's the property of Disney, to horrifically mangle and destroy as they see fit.

No, the liberal line is its only bad for white people to retell the stories. Several native authors have launched careers telling native fantasy stories.

I suppose it helps keep their grift alive. If only natives can tell the stories, then there is less competition to deal with.

 

[Bill Evans 45]

Several native authors have launched careers telling native fantasy stories.

Any recommendations?

 

[Registration]

Do you guys reckon anyone is stupid enough to pay $5,000 to an AI-based vanity press, just so that press publishes their chatbot slop? I can't imagine anyone paying Spines for this. The whole argument for using AI to make your book (according to the AI writers, which I am not one of) is that it is more affordable to use AI art and editing rather than hiring a real artist and editor for a self-published book. But now Spines is charging more than most human artists and editors on Fiverr or Upwork charge. Why would any author want the hassle of being boycotted and criticized for using AI, and have to spend $5,000 for it? If you're an AI author, just use KDP and be done with it.
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Man not gonna lie, AI is fucking great. I used to make a overhaul to a wikia visual that I am an admin and it helped a lot. If a book can be made better by using it, I see no problem with it, even more when it is english since english is kinda lame to write in (too mechanical and not flowery enough)

I do believe the best way to have an audience is to get them to like you enough on youtube and then do your own stuff when you feel like there is a public that ressonates with you/your work.

There is this gaming Youtuber that sometime ago started making videos about historical topics like romans and his public liked it, even when they were gamers.

But of course, it could be very hard to make it happen, depending of the lack of overlapping possibilities between two different groups (imagine a YA writer making woodwork content on YT)

 

[Registration]

Are you referring to the presence of HR karen types who pick and choose which manuscripts to publish? Or just a general pervasive wokepozzed WEF agenda? What did you mean by this? Judging by other industries of big tech and government, I wouldn't be surprised if there were a lot of useless nepobaby professional email writers in publishing and such.

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I am reminded of this meme image constantly when the differences between men and women are brought up. The data comes from this article, which itself appears to be estimated since IMDB did not make it. I always come back to how almost no movies ranked highly by men were released after the year 2000, the inverse being true for women. I don't need to point out the hilarious presence of harry potter, a child's entry level series. It just makes me wonder, if harry potter is ranked highly by women and lowly by men, then why aren't marvel movies or some similar slop ranked highly by men and lowly by women? Very curious.

I remember when I was still in high school, whenever our mixed group of friends were together the topics conversation was just normal life stuff, but whenever they left we would talk about all kind of stuff that went deeper than that.

What shocked me is that it wasn't once or twice, it was all the time. Yeah sure they had their own conversations when we weren't around and the topics could be whatever, but I always found it funny.

Men and women are totally different beasts. I just can't imagine talking about the books that I did read this year with women since they wouldn't get it. And the same goes for them with their romance stuff.

I kind of wonder how many readers have removed themselves from the market by only reading copyright free stuff. I read over 100 books every year, but I only buy one or two new. The rest is cheap second hand copies or just browsing digital archives (or just pirating academic books because fuck academic publishers). I would be interested in new books, since there's new subjects to write about that weren't there in the 19th century, but the books published are just crap.

My latest example of this is that early 20th century rendition of Alaskan native legends says that some legends were expunged for being obscene, but when I tried to look up newer editions, I was hit with "legends are property of indigenous people and shouldn't be retold".

I can read books in four different languages and working on a fifth, so I'm never running out of things to read, but I still sometimes get a hankering for something more contemporary.

Ah, phantom readers. The readers that exists but doesn't buy new stuff, but stull consumes it be by piracy or by acquiring/borrrowing. They exist (including me) and are there and there is no way to see how they exists without them wanting you to discover.


When I see the book prices where I live, it is not worth at all to be an active member of it. I know everything became expensive but 10 years ago a new release was 40-50 money, nowadays it is 80 money. I remember when I bought all the lord of the rings + silmarillion + hobbit for 40 money before amazon even existed here.

 

[Wodanaz]

The readers that exists but doesn't buy new stuff, but stull consumes it be by piracy or by acquiring/borrrowing. They exist (including me)

Me too. Even for relatively new stuff, like for example Blood Song by Anthony Ryan, that is his best work. He peaked in his debut novel. The next one has a self hating religious lesbian, then the kingdom is invaded and a hundreds of years long tradition of male warrior monks allow a 16 year old girl to join because she shoots crossbow good. Never mind the seven years of training boys normally go through from the years of 11-18 where they are literally beaten into efficient killing machines by brutal masters, so they can defend the faith effectively. Just a garbage trilogy that I do not regret pirating (I bought the first book used for $5 on eBay because goyazon wanted $50 for hardcover).

The rest of his work is just as forgettable. The dragon ones always end the chapter on a cliffhanger, every time (female james bond mary sue type character too). Sequel duology to his first trilogy is just cringe and decidedly not where I saw the main character going when I first read Blood Song. Covenant of Steel is decent, a lot better than his previous work (save for Blood Song) but never approaches the effortless mastery of his first novel. Anyway the point is, I might read his future work, I might not, but I'm certainly not going to waste money on it unless I read it first and determine that it is high enough quality to warrant buying.