The British Summer of Discontent - The growing civil unrest of the native British population, sparked by the murder of 3 young girls in Southport

[Geoff Capes Vapes Apes]

They sold off the small arms stockpiles under blair, and tried to incorporate cobination of Just-in-Time Logistics and Lean Engineering philosophies into service support roles

Not only were the stockpiles sold off, but thanks to the Tories in the 80s the Royal Ordnance Factories that would be required to refill them have largely been closed down, dismantled and had horrid new builds thrown up atop them. The "private" defence sector in the UK is so leanified that there is little to no surge capacity in the event of us getting into a shooting war.

Emptied all your ASRAAMs or 105mm rounds into the Asiatic horde? Sorry, 2 year lead time to increase the production rate of the stuff currently in production, maybe double that to set up new lines.

 

[FedPostalService]

Incidentally don't believe for a fucking minute that they British Army is viewed with awe by our allies.

They’re like that until the shooting starts and the need is to hold positions because we’re too stubborn to withdraw and have a tendency to be able to hold strategic positions until the enemy runs out of men or ammunition.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

Incidentally don't believe for a fucking minute that they British Army is viewed with awe by our allies.

Tell me you've never worked on multi-nation detachments where the SAS are without telling me...

Never have I witnessed anything quite like a hanger full of roudy yanks, leafs, frogs and Krauts fall silent because a dozen SAS walked in.

 

[FedPostalService]

Tell me you've never worked on multi-nation detachments where the SAS are without telling me...

Never have I witnessed anything quite like a hanger full of roudy yanks, leafs, frogs and Krauts fall silent because a dozen SAS walked in.

It’s no secret that I’m corpo scum and not a military man but I do have a lot of friends who are ex-military and the basic thing is no one wants to be around British squaddies if they’re drinking but on a battlefield there’s pretty much no one else they’d rather be serving with.

A Yank friends always spoke highly of us too.

 

[Sir Baz the Intolerant]

Never have I witnessed anything quite like a hanger full of roudy yanks, leafs, frogs and Krauts fall silent because a dozen SAS walked in.

To be fair that's just SAS in general, those lads look at you the same way a wolf looks at a lamb while being some of the calmest people you'll encounter in uniform.

It's enough to make most people shit themselves.

 

[SirCliveSinclairdabbing]

To be fair that's just SAS in general, those lads look at you the same way a wolf looks at a lamb while being some of the calmest people you'll encounter in uniform.

It's enough to make most people shit themselves.

I know one, calmest person you'll ever meet. I have an idea of one event he was involved in, in that context it makes sense.

 

[Trig.Point]

Tell me you've never worked on multi-nation detachments where the SAS are without telling me...

Never have I witnessed anything quite like a hanger full of roudy yanks, leafs, frogs and Krauts fall silent because a dozen SAS walked in.

So when the dozen SAS walked in did everyone get up and clap?

Theres less than 400 members of the SAS. There's a core of SNCO's who essentially run the regiment. The officers do a few years and move out but they stay. Then there are the regular troopers who will complete the 18 month training only to discover that if they catch an injury while they're still new, they'll be extremely quickly returned to unit. That happens a fucking lot. Also if someone manages to pass selection and your parent unit isn't an infantry regiment, para engineers or 7RHA, well his face may not 'fit' particularly if the paras want to push more 'good lads' into the regiment.

Then there are the thousands of hangers on civillians and officers that mill around doing dioramas and supporting the 'SF' (the marines in particular are bad for doing this because they shit out officers and don't have enough slots for them ) There are the SF communicators, SRR various other groups, however the SAS are very pariochial and protective of their role and funding.

It’s no secret that I’m corpo scum and not a military man but I do have a lot of friends who are ex-military and the basic thing is no one wants to be around British squaddies if they’re drinking but on a battlefield there’s pretty much no one else they’d rather be serving with.

What do you base that on? Where when? The second World War where even at the end of the war the British army was getting defeated by smaller german formations?

Korea where a whole fucking battallion got captured or killed, because their brigade commander didn't tell his US superior what was happening?

The falklands war? Where yes the Paras and Marines rolled over Argentinian conscripts, but the other regular Army brigade essentially fell apart.

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/brigadier-sir-tony-wilson-obituary.121129/

Or my absolute favourite, something that was rarely reported on in the UK. The Battle of Bastion, where the RAF regiment waved a bunch of Taliban onto camp. Who then proceeded to shoot up a US marine corps aviation unit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_2012_raid_on_Camp_Bastion

After the battle they gave out Military crosses to members of the RAF regiment, despite the rumours that they'd been caught on ISTAR taking their body armour off and fucking shooting it.

The British army is fucked, and it can stay fucked for all I care.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

So when the dozen SAS walked in did everyone get up and clap?

No, your mum just bent over for another pounding.

 

[FedPostalService]

What do you base that on? Where when?

Kosovo, Iraq, Afghanistan….

Plus a ton of other regions in the world which don’t get reported on because journalists are lazy scum.

 

[SirCliveSinclairdabbing]

Trig point must be triggered so I can't quote it.

2 words

Friendly fire.

 

[teriyakiburns]

The falklands war? Where yes the Paras and Marines rolled over Argentinian conscripts, but the other regular Army brigade essentially fell apart.
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/brigadier-sir-tony-wilson-obituary.121129/
Or my absolute favourite, something that was rarely reported on in the UK. The Battle of Bastion, where the RAF regiment waved a bunch of Taliban onto camp. Who then proceeded to shoot up a US marine corps aviation unit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_2012_raid_on_Camp_Bastion

So just to be clear, you've taken one story where a socially protected perpetrator got away with it for 40 years because it was politically inexpedient to lay the blame where it actually belonged, and then looked at another story in which the decision over who should take the blame was also driven by political expedience and decided it must be taken at face value, because surely the same institution that lied once to protect the "right people" won't lie again! The Tongans were on that section of the perimeter and it is only the fact that the British government wanted to avoid a domestic media shitshow, which inevitably would result from blaming poor brown people for the breach, that led to the RAF regiment shouldering responsibility.

 

[Trig.Point]

So just to be clear, you've taken one story where a socially protected perpetrator got away with it for 40 years because it was politically inexpedient to lay the blame where it actually belonged, and then looked at another story in which the decision over who should take the blame was also driven by political expedience and decided it must be taken at face value, because surely the same institution that lied once to protect the "right people" won't lie again! The Tongans were on that section of the perimeter and it is only the fact that the British government wanted to avoid a domestic media shitshow, which inevitably would result from blaming poor brown people for the breach, that led to the RAF regiment shouldering responsibility.

The Tongans didn't fucking wave them onto camp, it was the british. There were less than 30 tongans on Bastion at any one time, and they were actually pretty decent soldiers.

Incidentally practically the whole battle was caught on ISTAR, including the RAF regiment milling around playing with their body armour. For years afterwards the US marines ran their own security completely seperate to the British. They'd often drive an MRAP up to within a hundred yards of one of the British super sangers and just park there. Making a public statement about how much confidence they had in the perimeter security.

Kosovo, Iraq, Afghanistan….

Which one of those place do you think the British Army was most successful?

The British Army is one of the few western militaries that not just commissions officers without a degree, they do it after a 48 week course in sandhurst. In contrast West Point is 4 years and St Cyr is 3 years. A huge proportion of the officers of certain regiments come from particular schools eg Irish Guards officers come from Ampleforth. The Cavalry are just as bad and fucking Gurkha officers consist of a handful of wealthy families that are able to send their idiot sons to India to learn the language.

Untill you've had the experience of intereacting with a British Army officer only to realise that he's obviously sub 100 IQ, you'll never have the full picture.

Incidentally the rest of NATO fucking knows it, British army officers are very personable, great in the mess and often thick as mince.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

They sold off the small arms stockpiles under blair, and tried to incorporate cobination of Just-in-Time Logistics and Lean Engineering philosophies into service support roles.

Just in Time logistics, jesus christ. From where and how? The army is one of the bodies that has the amount of money and land to have fuckton of storage for fighting supply for decades.

The only sane reason is if you are afraid from people in your own country getting in and becoming a ghreat.

 

[Chunky Salsa]

From my experience, reserve is a joke; but not too much worse than the actual army at this point. No clue how we'd do in a shooting war, but I'd wager not very well. Not sure how long it's been that way.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

I'm a Yank and I haven't paid much attention to the Isles these past few months because we had an election in Burgerland. Did the summer demonstrations accomplish anything, or has everything gone back to status quo ante?

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

Untill you've had the experience of intereacting with a British Army officer only to realise that he's obviously sub 100 IQ, you'll never have the full picture.

This, coming from a yank?

 

[teriyakiburns]

Just in Time logistics, jesus christ. From where and how?

That's someone else's problem to solve. Part of it was draw-down on the assumption on participation in the European Rapid Reaction Force, which would have combined the armed forces of the EU into a single unified command structure with a single unified procurement service. I suspect the MoD assumed the British would form the bulk of the officer cadre, because they're all a bit superior you see.

Of course, then brexit happened and threw it all a bit off kilter. The civil service is still struggling to deal with the idea of actually running the country, rather than handing off responsibility to someone else and gilding the odd lilly in between visits to the National Theatre.

I'm a Yank and I haven't paid much attention to the Isles these past few months because we had an election in Burgerland. Did the summer demonstrations accomplish anything, or has everything gone back to status quo ante?

Things have gone quiet, but it's not the sort of quiet that should put the government at ease. Starmer is banking up resentment in every quarter. I don't want to predict when things will kick off in a concerted manner, but I'm fairly certain they will. Too many people are getting buggered too quickly to smooth it over and Starmer is gladly taking responsibility for all of it, because he thinks he's doing the right thing.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

Things have gone quiet, but it's not the sort of quiet that should put the government at ease. Starmer is banking up resentment in every quarter. I don't want to predict when things will kick off in a concerted manner, but I'm fairly certain they will. Too many people are getting buggered too quickly to smooth it over and Starmer is gladly taking responsibility for all of it, because he thinks he's doing the right thing.

I am hearing that Starmer is quickly burning all good will.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

That's someone else's problem to solve. Part of it was draw-down on the assumption on participation in the European Rapid Reaction Force, which would have combined the armed forces of the EU into a single unified command structure with a single unified procurement service. I suspect the MoD assumed the British would form the bulk of the officer cadre, because they're all a bit superior you see.

Of course, then brexit happened and threw it all a bit off kilter. The civil service is still struggling to deal with the idea of actually running the country, rather than handing off responsibility to someone else and gilding the odd lilly in between visits to the National Theatre.

That's stupid enough to make sense, especially with the question of who will actually serve in the frontline and produce weapons and ammo (maybe France doing the latter? They should have a pretty big arms manufacturing).

But it's been nearly a decade since Brexit and unless the officer cadre still copes to being back in the EU, they should have a new plan rather than hope the USA would bail them out.

 

[Éamonn Ceannt]

I am hearing that Starmer is quickly burning all good will.

I don’t really he had any to begin with. It’s just that the Torries fucked up royally and Labour was the only real opposition that could form a government. So it’s actually worse.

they should have a new plan rather than hope the USA would bail them out

Sadly I think the US would bail em out, for some retarted reason