General Wrestling Discussion

[OJ Simpson]

I just looked at two random youtube videos and I noticed there's this apparent obsession with synchronized attacks.
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Am I just being blinded by nostalgia because I don't think my era of wrasslin had this shit? It's corny and makes it look more like dance moves instead of chaotic brawl.

You know what, I never thought about it but thinking about it now that you brought it up yeah... it's pretty gay. And what's arguably even worse is when the people taking the synchronized dives have to set up and spend 5-10 seconds if not longer looking like retards just standing there waiting for the spot to occur. I'm not going to be able to look at these spots the same anymore.

I'll echo what @Magic Sun Daddy said too in that everything is too orchestrated now. It's like modern music, everything is just too dialed in that the edge and soul is gone. Something hidden in my memory bank is telling me the Hardy's used to do these sorts of spots but when they did it they didn't look at each other and count to 3 before doing some splash they both rehearsed together before the show. I could be wrong though.

 

[Well Intentioned]

On the one hand, I like tag teams doing tag team shit. Double team moves, etc.

On the other, yeah, the milling around doing nothing while someone goes for a dive looks dumb as hell and is overplayed at this point. Always made me think of the Mortal Kombat Fatality timer.

 

[cypocryphy]

Since it's that time of year I watched Survivor Series 1996 the other day. I've always really liked this show, the 3 singles matches are good and the Rock's debut elimination match is kinda fun. The vibe of an 80's or 90's show at MSG is always great as well.

 

[ParasiteSteve]

BOD was not even a top 50 tag team if we're being honest. They weren't a tag team all that often or long, they didn't really have an impact besides the fact that two people who were big stars teamed up and didn't innovate anything. I'd put them on par with HHH and Austin's tag team, probably even less impactful

Wasn't the whole point because taker had at that point picked up a lot of injuries and needed a lighter work load, so Kane would take the bulk of the match and Taker could do his routine. Think he had mostly dropped the tombstone and was doing the big power bomb as a way to give a rest to his knees.

At least I think that was the reason. But yeah, it was a nothing team really, not bad, just more out of necessity.

 

[draggs]

Jade is very limited in the ring but she's got that aura around her that still makes her worth pushing. She's got the best look for a woman wrestler since Chyna (with maybe an exception of roided out Jordynne Grace). She's strong, athletic and has charisma. In-ring shit is the least important aspect of a wrestler. No one but smarks preferred Dean Malenko to Bill Goldberg.

But brother don't you wish we could get more wrestlers who are both like we used to. Above average in-ring and great look and great charisma. WCW and WWF/E had at least a half-dozen wrestlers like that most of the time for 10+ years

 

[COME ON OUT YOU RAPIST]

I'm one of those cloud yelling old fogey's who prefers it went the match unfolds organically so the viewers can't tell that everyone is cooperating to set up spots. Everything looks a bit too crisp, too put together. I shouldn't complain about wrestlers being smart about executing dangerous maneuvers, but I just wish wrestlers knew how to sell the danger that diving from the ring poses to themselves.

What else would you be feeling? "Wow, those 5'9 men without steroids sure are good at synchronizing gymnastic routines in the ring!" Even the most thick-headed carnie understood that wrestling's appeal is the same as a stage magician. People have to believe you're actually a large, insane freakshow who will spend the evening trying to put another similar freak in a body bag. I'm not saying anything new. When everything looks so obviously planned out and fake, all you're left with are self-appointed wrestling demickies like Phil and Meltzer.

 

[Rick The Stick]

also whats with shawn and hunter hiring all these women with gigantic butts on NXT? im not complaining but shit there's an obvious pattern here

Because goon fuel is still the main draw to women's rasslin.

 

[Harm]

also whats with shawn and hunter hiring all these women with gigantic butts on NXT? im not complaining but shit there's an obvious pattern here

They probably have a big ass due to having strong glute muscles to assist them in performing in the ring. The fact it makes them more visually appealing is a nice bonus.

 

[Daddy's Little Kitten]

They're learning from AEWs ass cam.

 

[Nod Flenders]

Jade is very limited in the ring but she's got that aura around her that still makes her worth pushing. She's got the best look for a woman wrestler since Chyna (with maybe an exception of roided out Jordynne Grace). She's strong, athletic and has charisma. In-ring shit is the least important aspect of a wrestler. No one but smarks preferred Dean Malenko to Bill Goldberg.

As good as Dean was in the ring, he had zero charisma, and was never going to be a draw. Today's IWC fans need to realize that charisma is more important than in-ring work.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

As good as Dean was in the ring, he had zero charisma, and was never going to be a draw. Today's IWC fans need to realize that charisma is more important than in-ring work.

Agreed 100%. As AEW is proving (which anyone who isn't a terminally online smark already knew), in-ring work is the least important thing when it comes to drawing. Drawing is what makes money, which is what WWE cares most about. Jade is charismatic and has an amazing look, which is what WWE cares about. It's easy to mask bad in-ring work by putting them in the ring with someone competent. Obviously you need some people to be amazing ring generals (hate that term but whatever), but not everyone needs to be. As long as you limit the number of people like Jade, it's easy to cover it up by putting them with someone who can cover it.

But brother don't you wish we could get more wrestlers who are both like we used to. Above average in-ring and great look and great charisma. WCW and WWF/E had at least a half-dozen wrestlers like that most of the time for 10+ years

That was the perfect storm, though. The territory system had tons of guys who had charisma, could cut promos and were good in-ring because they focused on that (for example, they worked on promos while in the car driving to shows). Now days, since the territories are done, that just isn't the case. Indie guys care more about getting 5 star match ratings from an old autist than they do with being charismatic or being able to cut a good promo. WWE even scripts promos for this very reason (which is a good thing as shown by AEW's promos).

Even in the Attitude Era WWF though, they didn't have that many great in-ring guys. Most of the matches were pretty short, which made it easy to cover up. Can you remember any memorable Godfather match?

 

[A.P. Hill]

Is there a point for a women's intercontinental title. They don't do anything with the women's tag team title.

There aren't even enough women to have a meaningful tag team division. Is this another one of those stupid "the women must be able to do everything the men can do" DEI moves?

I'm sick of glass ceilings being broken in wrestling. It doesn't mean anything anymore. In fact, I'd argue it makes gimmick matches less meaningful because you have 120 pound women taking a million chair shots and blading and getting right back up. If it doesn't hurt them, how could it ever hurt a 6'6", 300 pound hoss of a man (aka the types of guys who would be over enough to make a gimmick match sell)?

 

[ElHijodeDeficienciaCogni]

What else would you be feeling? "Wow, those 5'9 men without steroids sure are good at synchronizing gymnastic routines in the ring!" Even the most thick-headed carnie understood that wrestling's appeal is the same as a stage magician. People have to believe you're actually a large, insane freakshow who will spend the evening trying to put another similar freak in a body bag. I'm not saying anything new. When everything looks so obviously planned out and fake, all you're left with are self-appointed wrestling demickies like Phil and Meltzer.

To be fair Bron Breakker is 5'8" and when he runs the ropes then slams into a nigger it is so visceral that you can feel the impact. Kid may be roided to the girls and a midget, but he is 100% believable since his strength is functional as fuck.

Even in the Attitude Era WWF though, they didn't have that many great in-ring guys. Most of the matches were pretty short, which made it easy to cover up. Can you remember any memorable Godfather match?

I membah the time Taker drank too much jack the night before and ended up shitting his costume before a match and had to borrow The Godfather's snake skin pants at the last minute. Does that count?

 

[Unnecessary Surgery Land]

All I want for Christmas are all the hip-hop/rap songs to be deleted from the WWE themes.
A million dollars from now, I won't remember you -- it needs to be eradicated from this planet.

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

All I want for Christmas are all the hip-hop/rap songs to be deleted from the WWE themes.
A million dollars from now, I won't remember you -- it needs to be eradicated from this planet.

Rap is more popular than most rock genres today. And rap isn't the only songs they play, baby metal was the theme for bash in Berlin, warpigs is the theme for survivor series for the past 3 years.

 

[Magic Sun Daddy]

All I want for Christmas are all the hip-hop/rap songs to be deleted from the WWE themes.
A million dollars from now, I won't remember you -- it needs to be eradicated from this planet.

I remember when people talked about how mid CF0$ was and how badly they missed John Johnston. We really didn't know what we had.

 

[COME ON OUT YOU RAPIST]

Rap is more popular than most rock genres today

Off-topic but Fortnite got a music mode not too long ago and has received a year's worth of songs every other week. If you play the music mode, basically every paid track is an old rock song while the newer rap music (and there's more of it) never appears. The mode averages about 40k players at any given hour and it's mostly children. I don't know who WWE would need as a demographic for rap to be more popular than rock themes.

 

[LikeAStone 2.0]

This is legit a real shirt sold by GCW.

https://gcwmerch.com/products/no-chuds-allowed-t-shirt

 

[trent]

I don't know who WWE would need as a demographic for rap to be more popular than rock themes.

Middle class males between 20-45ish who think they are woke because they listen to whatever currently popular dipshit is yammering about getting that money and bitches being hoes whilst they pretend to have "beefs" with the other inexplicable millionaires who do the exact same thing.

Every 3 months the new greatest hip-hop album of all time gets released according to the music press despite it all being the same shit since the entire shitty genre was invented.

 

[The Taco Santo!]

I've recently been told by an impeccable source (Ashley Hutsell in a rage-filled DM thread) that a rapper sold out a 3 million-seat arena. Does anyone know where and when that was?