Megathread SRS and GRS surgeons and associated horrors - the medical community of experimental surgeons, the secret community of home butchers

[Procrastinhater]

If you ever need to fast and are hungry look thru this thread it's a fkn puke inducing nightmare. Horror movies should showcase this shit

Theres certainly some gross shit on this thread.
The worst thing I've seen isn't even a troon though it was a diabetic foot, all rotten and decayed, you could see the heel bone, the rest was rotten flesh and stringy tendons.

This thing

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Little known fact: Troons suffer disproportionately from diabetes, because they're fat retards.

With that in mind - rotten diabetic franken-appendage. Not safe for life.

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Quite a sight.

 

[JohnnyG]

But who would give expert testimony against one of our favourites here on the standard of care that could be reasonably expected of a medical practitioner in the circumstances? ... They cannot say what a normally competent surgeon doing that surgery would be expected to do, partly because they don’t do that surgery themselves, but mostly because there are no gold standard techniques.

Ah yes, the classic "you aren't a Climatologist / DEI Profeshnuh" defense. We invented this fake & gay sub-specialty, which no one outside it is qualified to criticize, and everyone inside it is benefitting from. However, the idea of "off label" uses (prescribing drugs for things outside their stated purpose) is pretty well established, and almost certainly has case law precedent for when it's done incompetently, so I'd imagine a competent lawyer could draw on this for the surgical equivalent.

I realise the US is different, but medical malpractice suits are hard AF. In the case of GRS, given zero standards of care, plus informed consent, these mentally ill patients basically sign their rights away. Going after the surgeons is pretty fruitless in the absence of malpractice insurance, and holding assets offshore. If the lawyers can’t get the big bucks then they won’t take a case on.

People with major medical issues are the least likely to be able to pay them, because medical costs have probably bankrupted (or close to) them. That means the lawyers take on “No win, no pay” cases where they take a percentage of the payout. If the estimated payout won’t be large enough to defray their costs (with a substantial added bonus), then they just won’t take them on.

For damages, I'd some combination of ideology ("this is wrong, we have to stop it") and setting precedent for future settlements would motivate a few pioneering lawyers. And aside from the doctors, there are the vastly bigger pockets of the hospitals and insurance companies.

The insurance side is ludicrous...I knew it was expensive but after watching a few of Exulansic's videos on Rumble it was worse than I imagined. Jaron "Jazz" Jennings was/is racking up like $20-25k/year in hormones alone (which will continue for life), before any of the surgeries or who knows how many prescriptions for mental conditions and physical complications (his mom mentioned 11 pills morning & night at one point).

Then there's the recently deceased FtM Gruffin who showed surgical bills totaling something like $7-800k, with multiple issues left to resolve. Letting troons rack up 6-7 figure bills for everyone else to pay is insanity, and a few big legal victories against the insurance companies would hopefully curtail it.

 

[Procrastinhater]

Then there's the recently deceased FtM Gruffin who showed surgical bills totaling something like $7-800k, with multiple issues left to resolve. Letting troons rack up 6-7 figure bills for everyone else to pay is insanity, and a few big legal victories against the insurance companies would hopefully curtail it.

One of the most important things that has to happen to start limiting and ideally stopping this shit is that taxpayers should not be funding Troon shit, and neither should other insurance customers.
Our taxes and insurance payments should not be going towards funding wrong sex hormones and genital mutilation.
Personally I think it should all be banned, if we're going to ban it for minors how do you justify allowing the mentally ill to do this shit to themselves?
If you're going to allow gendershit SRS then why not lipo for anorexics or amputation for Body Dysmorphia patients.

If it can't be banned totally for adults (minors are out of the question) then it should be entirely out of pocket. No Medicare/Medicaid, forcing taxpayers to pay for this evil shit, and no insurance coverage, forcing other customers to fund it. It's entirely elective, it's barbaric, innefective, and unnecessary, if they want this shit done they need to fund 100% of it themselves.
I and I'd bet millions of others have serious moral objections in my taxes or any of my insurance payments going towards this inhuman shit. You want to flay your dick and stuff it's Frankensteined together remnants up inside a hole carved in your taint, or you want to flay your arm and roll it into a rotdog, or reroute your urethra so you can piss through your vile Hyena Metroid Clit, pay for that shit yourself, freak.
This bullshit is the 21st Century Lobotomy and guarantee in the future it will be judged just as, if not more harshly.

 

[JohnnyG]

One of the most important things that has to happen to start limiting and ideally stopping this shit is that taxpayers should not be funding Troon shit, and neither should other insurance customers

I think that to make progress on this, those fighting it (conservatives and TERFs) need to stop yielding to the Left on their Orwellian language games, and stop being squeamish about discussing what it actually entails, sunlight being the best disinfectant and whatnot.

Supposedly the campaign ads had to be dialed back, because the first round of describing the DNC's actual platform, and the Biden-Kamabla Regime's actual policies weren't believable to normal people in focus groups. Which is of course horrifying.

But then I see some GOP rep or lawyer discussing the upcoming Supreme Court case and using phrases like "these interventions" and letting the fetishists call it "care" unchecked. They should be hammering the fact that it's permanently disrupting children's mental development, then chemically sterilizing them, and surgically castrating them. Followed by a list of the inevitable complications.

 

[Procrastinhater]

I think that to make progress on this, those fighting it (conservatives and TERFs) need to stop yielding to the Left on their Orwellian language games, and stop being squeamish about discussing what it actually entails, sunlight being the best disinfectant and whatnot.

100% this.
I ignore people using the wrong pronouns on Kiwi Farms because it's annoying derailing threads to police language but you're 100% right about we need to stop playing along IRL with their pronoun shit.
They attempt to control language because (to them) it gives them an advantage in the argument.
Using their language so as to not "look rude" or whatever is already ceding them ground they don't deserve.
"Men shouldn't be in womens bathroms" and "men shouldn't compete in womens sports" is the truth of the argument, saying "transwomen" instead of the truth, "men" already cushions them from having to defend an indefensible position.
Same with their stupid fucking pronouns "she shouldn't be in the womens bathroom" doesn't have the same effect as "he shouldn't be in the womens bathroom".
We need to stop playing along with them and letting them control language, using their language makes you part of the problem.
I'm not the biggest fan of Megyn Kelly but she's come to her senses a lot since 2016 and her video on this subject covers the points as well as anyone I've heard

Supposedly the campaign ads had to be dialed back, because the first round of describing the DNC's actual platform, and the Biden-Kamabla Regime's actual policies weren't believable to normal people in focus groups. Which is of course horrifying.

And yeah this is a massive problem. Normies are finally waking up to the reality of this shit and how truly horrific it is but it shows how successful the Cult has been at decieving, covering up the reality, and gaslighting people into thinking these medical procedures are "caring" and anything other than the largest and most unethical medical experimentation on unsuspecting subjects since the Tuskegee Syphillis Atrocity.

But then I see some GOP rep or lawyer discussing the upcoming Supreme Court case and using phrases like "these interventions" and letting the fetishists call it "care" unchecked. They should be hammering the fact that it's permanently disrupting children's mental development, then chemically sterilizing them, and surgically castrating them. Followed by a list of the inevitable complications.

The general public at large are finally realizing just how bad this shit is thankfully and now is the time while these fanatics are on the backfoot to step up the pressure, because if the majority of people knew the reality of this shit it would have never gotten this bad.
They managed to stifle any questioning of it by scaring people labelling them "bigots" and whatever other buzzwords, but they used that shit so much and so indiscriminately that it has lost any impact it once had.
Its time the truth about this shit was revealed, and I'm pretty sure that once the truth is in the general consciousness, the Cult and its proponents will see a huge backlash for what they have inflicted on thousands of mentally ill, often autistic patients, against their best interest and all ethical standards.

 

[Stan]

Jaron "Jazz" Jennings was/is racking up like $20-25k/year in hormones alone

I don't actually understand why generic HRT (and all of these hormones and medications are definitely available as generics) would ever cost this much. The real costs are the drugs themselves (pretty cheap), blood tests to monitor hormone titers and liver function etc. (dirt cheap), and about 15-20 minutes' worth of an endocrinologist's time q 3 months (should not be that expensive.) Who's gouging Jazz? Did his crazy ass family insist on taking him to a no-insurance-accepted celebrity doctor?

the recently deceased FtM Gruffin who showed surgical bills totaling something like $7-800k, with multiple issues left to resolve.

This one I can comprehend. End of life care in ICU gets really expensive really fast, and Gruffin being young, the care team would have pulled out all the stops to try and extend her life even once the writing was on the wall.

 

[Procrastinhater]

This one I can comprehend. End of life care in ICU gets really expensive really fast, and Gruffin being young, the care team would have pulled out all the stops to try and extend her life even once the writing was on the wall.

Gruffins $800K bill was just the cost of her "transition" procedures, that doesn't include all the shit that started to go wrong with her as her organs were shutting down, the cost of her dialysis etc.
When you add the cost of all that shit on top, by the time she had that final brain bleed that sent her to (or freed her from I guess) whatever Hell Pooners go to, her insurance had likely paid out double or more that $800K, I wouldn't be surprised if the total for all her procedures and treatments from the very first meeting with a Gendershit counsellor that set her on the road to her dirt nap, all the hormones, medications, transition surgeries, repairs, catheters, dialysis, final interventions, life support, etc, up to and including the cost of her funeral, was at least 2 million dollars.
Quite a nice little earner for the Cult I guess.
Immoral and unethical as Hell, but these were "life saving and affirming, totally necessary" procedures afterall.

 

[Stan]

Gruffins $800K bill was just the cost of her "transition" procedures, that doesn't include all the shit that started to go wrong with her as her organs were shutting down, the cost of her dialysis etc.
When you add the cost of all that shit on top, by the time she had that final brain bleed that sent her to (or freed her from I guess) whatever Hell Pooners go to, her insurance had likely paid out double or more that $800K, I wouldn't be surprised if the total for all her procedures and treatments from the first meeting with a Gendershit counsellor that set her on the road to her dirt nap was at least 2 million dollars.

Well when you put it that way, then I don't really understand why Gruffin's SRS cost that much either. In the US it's like a game of 3 card monte between the hospital and insurers, with the hospitals jacking up prices for everything artificially and insurance low-balling the hospitals in turn. Still, my expectation is that the SRS surgeons are gouging these troons - both in the flesh and figuratively - when they do these procedures. Otherwise I cannot justify why Gruffin's nubbin' cost more than the average American home. It freaking killed Gruffin!

 

[Procrastinhater]

Well when you put it that way, then I don't really understand why Gruffin's SRS cost that much either. In the US it's like a game of 3 card monte between the hospital and insurers, with the hospitals jacking up prices for everything artificially and insurance low-balling the hospitals in turn. Still, my expectation is that the SRS surgeons are gouging these troons - both in the flesh and figuratively - when they do these procedures. Otherwise I cannot justify why Gruffin's nubbin' cost more than the average American home. It freaking killed Gruffin!

Yeah its fucking crazy. Theres no way this shit should be costing multiple hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Theres definite price gouging and I suspect some shady shit happening behind the scenes with kickbacks between the surgeons billing and the people signing off on this shit.
Too tinfoil?
Maybe.
Theres something seriously off about this whole thing though.
I suspect as the light starts to get shone on this shit we're going to see some extremely suspect business practices coming to light here.

The Cult, the Surgeons, and the other vested interests have basically got a willing cash cow who will support them even as they are being milked for thousands on the basis this is "life saving care".
Its so fucked.

 

[Bluefeet]

Yeah its fucking crazy. Theres no way this shit should be costing multiple hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Theres definite price gouging and I suspect some shady shit happening behind the scenes with kickbacks between the surgeons billing and the people signing off on this shit.
Too tinfoil?
Maybe.
Theres something seriously off about this whole thing though.
I suspect as the light starts to get shone on this shit we're going to see some extremely suspect business practices coming to light here.

The Cult, the Surgeons, and the other vested interests have basically got a willing cash cow who will support them even as they are being milked for thousands on the basis this is "life saving care".
Its so fucked.

My guess is that it's partly due to the ACA's anti-discrimination guidelines. Insurers are bound to it, and are likely rubber stamping srs procedures to avoid lawsuits and legal hassle. Plus, with guidelines so sketchy it's difficult for them to push back with cheaper alternatives like they might with other conditions.

If you look at srs stories, the lack of insurance hoops these people need to jump through is ridiculous for what is essentially a 500k cosmetic procedure.

 

[JohnnyG]

Well when you put it that way, then I don't really understand why Gruffin's SRS cost that much either. In the US it's like a game of 3 card monte between the hospital and insurers, with the hospitals jacking up prices for everything artificially and insurance low-balling the hospitals in turn. Still, my expectation is that the SRS surgeons are gouging these troons

Theres no way this shit should be costing multiple hundreds of thousands of dollars.

My work is somewhat adjacent to this world, and medical billing is indeed a dark art, but the usual formula for a surgery is a list price that comes from the actual time of whatever specialist is doing it, plus the anesthesiologist, plus how big the support staff is needed, and the instruments & drugs involved, and the time you're taking up an operating room (and pre-op and peri-/post-op, but the OR is the most expensive obviously).

So maybe that's 20k for a 15 minute outpatient procedure. But then the insurance company says, ok that's your a la carte price but we "buy" a thousand of those routine procedures a year, how about 11k? And then they cover 8500 of it and you pay 2500 (unless you've hit your annual maximum outlay).

I don't know Gruffin's details, but some of the other troons Exulansic has covered have discussed 6+ hour individual procedures. So half the day of at least one surgeon, maybe other specialists, plus the anesthesia team and support staff. For "normal" major surgeries like this (heart stuff, cancers) the insurer probably negotiates an even steeper discount because the hospital charging $150/hr for every LPN has wiggle room, but these procedures aren't routine and there are no economies of scale, and you're still tying up the OR and using a ton more drugs, instruments, etc.

 

[Stan]

I don't know Gruffin's details, but some of the other troons Exulansic has covered have discussed 6+ hour individual procedures. So half the day of at least one surgeon, maybe other specialists, plus the anesthesia team and support staff. For "normal" major surgeries like this (heart stuff, cancers) the insurer probably negotiates an even steeper discount because the hospital charging $150/hr for every LPN has wiggle room, but these procedures aren't routine and there are no economies of scale, and you're still tying up the OR and using a ton more drugs, instruments, etc.

Informative, ty. It would make sense that the insurer can negotiate a discount for CABG or other procs that are high-overhead, but also very high-volume. Not for nothing, it's also easier to get better surgical results when a hospital *is* high volume for a given condition... think specialty cancer hospitals or cardiac centers within a hospital system.

6+ hours in the OR and potentially multiple surgeons is most likely necessary and normal for SRS, with the exception of an orchiectomy which is much easier and safer.

It does give me a laugh when I have to choose insurance plans to notice that SRS and gendercare is usually covered, but reversing gendercare procedures explicitly never is lol. So even the Explanation of Benefits basically reads "Dilate, dilate, dilate tranny, hope you didn't regret this lol because we are NEVER gonna cover a reversal."

 

[sperginity]

Yeah its fucking crazy. Theres no way this shit should be costing multiple hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Theres definite price gouging and I suspect some shady shit happening behind the scenes with kickbacks between the surgeons billing and the people signing off on this shit.
Too tinfoil?
Maybe.
Theres something seriously off about this whole thing though.
I suspect as the light starts to get shone on this shit we're going to see some extremely suspect business practices coming to light here.

The Cult, the Surgeons, and the other vested interests have basically got a willing cash cow who will support them even as they are being milked for thousands on the basis this is "life saving care".
Its so fucked.

The 25K figure was from when jaron was being puberty blocked. The family bought a puberty blocking implant rather than opting for regular injections. Estrogen doesn't cost that much (except in terms of paying for long term side effects, but that isn't a direct or easy-to-calculate cost).

from what I recall he was on blockers for at least 3 years, so they had to pay at least 75K for just the drugs. There are many lifetime medications that never total that much (artificial thyroid hormones, for instance).

 

[Potato Burrito]

Uh oh, we've got a regretter here. Quick, mobilize the hugbox! Reddit thread


Man realizes after cutting his dick off that maybe cutting his dick off wasn't a good idea. Film at 11!

I'm noticing more of these posts from people who appear to be experiencing actual dysphoria after transition. I wonder if these posts just aren't being censored as hard as before or if it's genuinely a sign that regret is up because all these idiots jumped on a bandwagon they don't belong on.

 

[whotfsaidthat]

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Man realizes after cutting his dick off that maybe cutting his dick off wasn't a good idea. Film at 11!

I'm noticing more of these posts from people who appear to be experiencing actual dysphoria after transition. I wonder if these posts just aren't being censored as hard as before or if it's genuinely a sign that regret is up because all these idiots jumped on a bandwagon they don't belong on.

imagine realising youre a bit genderfluid uwuu after having your dick turned inside out
couldnt probably have figured that out earlier

 

[Dilatortron3000]

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Man realizes after cutting his dick off that maybe cutting his dick off wasn't a good idea. Film at 11!

I'm noticing more of these posts from people who appear to be experiencing actual dysphoria after transition. I wonder if these posts just aren't being censored as hard as before or if it's genuinely a sign that regret is up because all these idiots jumped on a bandwagon they don't belong on.

They believe gender is this magical thing that everyone possesses. The reason you cant figure out what gender you are is because theres no way to do that. It is madeup

 

[batteredpancakes]

This pooner got a failed phalloplasty with a Dr. Paul Daverio. She ended up getting a correction with Dr. Djinovic, a more popular surgeon.
TLDR ; got a tiny phallo, no sensation , in lots of pain, got compartment syndrome, had fistulas, necrosis, phallo too small for a ED, damaged an arm and a leg, gets constant UTIs, eventually gets a better phallo by also sacrificing her back muscles and the total cost of all this is around 200,000USD.
Gaga236 (transbucket so no archive)

Hello everyone
The long-awaited moment to set the record straight has FINALLY arrived! Here are the photos comparing Daverio's failed phalloplasty in Berlin with Djinovic's very successful phalloplasty in Belgrade!

As a reminder, I didn't have it done again just for the size, but because I had fistulas, necrosis and stenosis repeatedly, no sensation and it was impossible to fit an erectile device because the smallest available was 2cm too long for my penis at the time.... Daverio had promised me “minimum dimensions of 12cm lenght by 12cm girth" adding that I would have much more, but he lied. I just wanted a functional penis for urinating and having sex, I never planned to make a career in porn.

For those who continue to support Daverio, make excuses for him or plan to be butchered by him, I cannot do anything for you and wish you good never-ending galeras!
I paid in total 212.821,67 EUROS: (note: USD is ~$223,000)

• 52.000€ to butcher Daverio to ruin my life (note: USD is ~$54,600)
• 126.821,67€ to various surgeons/doctors/nurses/pharmacists/chiropractors/ambulances and so on during 5 years only to heal after the disaster done by this butcher (note: USD is ~$133,300)
• 34.000,00€ to Dr Djinovic for his wonderful job (note: USD is ~$35,700)

Et voilà! B-)

Spoiler: Wonky finger

Other posts reveal more pictures and more information.
includes:

• The weird shape her new phallus had before glansplasty. The back is open and scarred like Elephant dick's as well.
• Her back scar from her recent phallo
• Her fucked up leg from her old phallo
• Arm scar pics

Text and images from the older post

RFF left arm phalloplasty, glansplasty, vaginectomy, urethral lengthening done in March 2019. The scrotoplasty has been done later by another surgeon as "Dr" Daverio will never touch me anymore.

My dick is too small (3,14 inches length by 3,14 inches girth whereas Daverio promised me a minimum of 5*5), I have no sensation at all and stagnating urine smelling very bad ALL THE TIME. I had a fistula and a stenosis.
I had a comportment syndrome during the intervention so I damaged one arm and one leg for nothing as the phallo needs to be redone completely.
All the scars are disgusting and giving pain.
Daverio doesn't care at all and I am still in this sh*t more than 2 years after.
I should have paid 51.000€ but with all the complications it already makes 81.000€.
UPDATE 28th Nov. 2024: With all the complications and surgeries I had to repair the bad done by Daverio, I have lost 212.821,67€ in total!

Spoiler: Looks like an old fashioned can opener

 

[UselessRubberKeyboard]

Her first rotdog was at least vaguely human-sized. Guessing this dumbass has never seen nor interacted with a naked man (outside of porn).

What she has now is ridiculous. No man has a dick like that. She’s scarred to fuck, and the rotdog still looks terrible. Both rotdogs were smaller at the base than the tip, but it’s especially bad on her new rotdog.

No idea why she’s kvetching about all the money it cost, when she obviously has the money because she spent it on two lots of idiotic cosmetic surgery. Can’t fix stupid. I guess she can now brag and show off on social media, at least until she finds something about her new rotdog that she dislikes and starts fixating on that.

It’s wild how pooners have no interest in looking like real men. Just make it big enough so it looks impressive on Snapchat, doc!

 

[Hepativore]

It’s wild how pooners have no interest in looking like real men. Just make it big enough so it looks impressive on Snapchat, doc!

But that is the problem. As they are not men, they cannot look convincingly like real men no matter how hard they try or what treatments and surgeries they have as you cannot change sexual biology. You cannot twist, spindle, mutilate or inflate the labia of the vulva to make a scrotum and peel skin from a woman's arms and legs to make a penis because the tissue of the external female genitalia and flayed limbs are unlike that of the male genitalia and vice versa so it will never look and function the same as an actual scrotum and penis.

 

[gampboonerisms]

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Man realizes after cutting his dick off that maybe cutting his dick off wasn't a good idea. Film at 11!

I'm noticing more of these posts from people who appear to be experiencing actual dysphoria after transition. I wonder if these posts just aren't being censored as hard as before or if it's genuinely a sign that regret is up because all these idiots jumped on a bandwagon they don't belong on.

>have dick, don't like it.
>cut dick off
>why dont i like this?