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Exulansic / TT Exulansic / Sierra Weir / Sierra Dullea Weir - TERF detransitioner/desister who has a crusade against the "I Am Jazz" phenomenon and also a massive collection of Party City wigs.
Sierra’s claiming Gallagher ‘fled’ Indiana. I don’t like Dr Gallagher but leaving a university system (IU) network to set up a plastic surgery practice in a better climate with higher paying wealthy patients is not unheard of.
Yeah all she's succeeding at doing with this is making me sympathise with Dr. Gallagher, which is quite an achievement. Even the payout to the family of the woman who died during the breast reduction is not necessarily meaningful (and it was one of Sierra's followers who alerted her to the fact that Gallagher was sued, btw). I'm not in the US, but people here sue all the time because they need to financially, not because some "wrong" was committed, and I assume it's the same there. Sierra is so out of touch that she is apparently unaware that it's entirely possible that the family sued simply out of their own financial interest, especially the financial interest of the woman's minor children, if she had any - such a payout would mean that they, and the husband, are compensated properly not only for the loss of their relative but for the loss of her income and any future support from her. It's kinda like when someone suffers a crippling accident and they sue because they will need costs covered for a wheelchair, to modify their house with ramps, etc. (obviously in addition to mental anguish and the like.). It's a choice between getting what you're entitled to legally or bearing these costs yourself, and it's an obvious one. My point is, a lawsuit doesn't necessarily mean that the defendant committed any error. And the medical authorities in Indiana did not sanction Gallagher in any way. Not satisfied with having defamed and harassed Gruffin's family, she's now in ghoulish pursuit of a ftm pooner porn star who died just recently.
Trans masculine porn star Apollo Moon aka Forest Harader has died. These were her last tweets, posted to her porn account. In them, she seems to express resentment and judgment of people who don't check on their friends, but also offers some absolution and condolence that perhaps nothing could have saved them from their mental illness and suffering. It's framed as her feelings about friends' suicide, but perhaps she knew what was coming in the next few days, and wanted her loved ones and fans to not blame themselves for what her family has so far euphemized as an "injury."
The obituaries refer to an "injury" which put her on life-support, and that the family decided to turn off the life support. Sierra is declaring the death a suicide without a shred of real evidence. (a)
The beloved transmasc adult content creator Apollo Moon, known to his friends and family as Forest Harader, has died in Los Angeles on Monday, his loved ones confirmed to Them. He was 26 years old.
Though his cause of death is not yet confirmed, the Harader family learned that he was hospitalized in the ICU and on life support on Nov. 27, according to their post on MealTrain, a website used to coordinate community meal delivery for those temporarily in need of care. The site is also used to raise general funds; as of Dec. 2, the Haraders’ campaign had exceeded its initial goal of $5,000, with a total of $9,590 donated at the time of writing, in order to help with the family’s living expenses while his parents take an extended leave from work.
Guys he didnt commit suicide, his family said he was in an accident and had multiple injuries and sadly he didn't make it, he was such a beautiful soul
Dec 2, 2024 · 11:14 PM UTC
To be fair to Sierra, many other people are speculating that this may have been a suicide. But to declare it a suicide without any real confirmation, and then to start gloating about it, isn't right.
Speaking ill of/hassling the dead? What are you talking about, they're dead! (a)
Misgendering is something known to cause emotional pain, and yet you don't hesitate to double down on debasing the memory of someone now unable to defend themselves.
Their welfare is not what drives you here - you are simply trying to promote yourself and your ideology.
Dec 3, 2024 · 9:16 AM UTC
While I'm obviously not sympathetic to the "misgendering" argument, this "she's dead" tweet is a really bad look regardless of the pronoun used.
She is doing exactly what the troons did when Nex Benedict died. Rushing to declare the circumstances to be something convenient to a political narrative (assault and injury, bullying), then using the death to advance their ideological cause. She is 100% a TRA, really.
To be fair to Sierra, many other people are speculating that this may have been a suicide. But to declare it a suicide without any real confirmation, and then to start gloating about it, isn't right.
It's funny, because even in the Pooner Zoo thread on here people point out we don't know what killed her. While it's possible it's suicide (especially her last few tweets), it's equally possible it could be due to side effects of her fucking up her endocrine system or just a completely random accident. We've passed the point where Kiwichuds are more reasonable.
We really need to oil up the hate machine Kiwisisters.
“Mrs Sivret you don’t understand legally I can’t harass your child, she’s dead. I’m going to monetize your texts though and expose you to more criticism. There’s nothing weird about this at all!”
About this: Is it perhaps distasteful to go on about it? - Sure.
Is it illegal or immoral? - No.
Also, FUCK Gruffin's mother.
As for Hannah "Apollo Moon" Harader: she definitely committed suicide. I would bet money on it. I have a well developed sense for lying and the story being told by her family/enablers is a lie. It simply doesn't ring true.
I'm not in the US, but people here sue all the time because they need to financially, not because some "wrong" was committed, and I assume it's the same there.
People sue because they need money, or their insurance won't cover the bills, or because they think they might strike it rich, but just as often it's because enacting legal change is easier through a lawsuit than it is expecting politicians to do anything about it. For example, Chloe Cole's lawsuit against Kaiser Permanente is less about the money and more about stopping them from performing sex changes on kids:
Chloe Cole, the outspoken 18-year-old raising awareness about the dangers of gender transitions on children, is suing the doctors who performed transgender procedures on her when she was a minor.
The procedures included an irreversible double mastectomy that surgically removed both of her breasts.
“These butchers have gone unquestioned and unchallenged for too long,” Cole told CNA Thursday night.
“My goal in this lawsuit is to set a precedent that will change the landscape for these barbaric processes and to create a pathway for other de-transitioners to seek justice,” said Cole, a self-described “former trans kid.”
This wasn't a trans surgery. It was a woman who died from a breast reduction Gallagher did in Indiana, before she started doing the "gender-affirming" butchery. According to Exulansic, Gallagher "fled" Indiana and started doing gender stuff in Florida because of the lawsuit. She heavily implies that Gallagher killed the woman through incompetence, which although I dislike Gallagher, is unfair.
Why post that, Sierra. Such a vile thing to do. When someone is lashing out in pain and grief after the death of a loved one, a normal person would have the decency to not broadcast it in public. This woman trooned out her kid and that's a very bad thing, but now the kid is dead, so she's been punished harshly already. This might be the grossest thing Sierra's done yet.
Why is this a bad thing? This woman should be in jail for trooning out her minor daughter. She mutilated her kid. Her kid posted stuff about her mutilation online. Exulansic covered her kid, the kid died, and Exulansic correctly pointed out that her kid was dead because of transgender ideology. Rather than seeking accountability, the mom lashes out at the only people actually fighting the thing that killed her kid. She picked a fight with Ex, not the other way around.
Like, for fuck’s sake, would you call it “vile” if this was Jeannette Jennings? Of course not. This mom is no better than Jeannette. Being trolled online is the least these fuckers deserve. They deserve jail. They clearly don’t feel bad enough if they’re still calling her a “him”.
Not meaning to come off as answering for Skeksis Emperor, but Sierra did rather more than just 'point out' that trans shit killed Gruffin. She had several private interactions with the family that she posted screenshots of to twitter (would be on previous pages) and that I think were out of line, regardless of how you stand on the extent of the mother's guilt. There are some things you don't do to a grieving family, imo, no matter who they are or what the circumstances are.
edit: I understand that others disagree, not looking to argue, just to explain.
No, no. Be accurate: the mother initiated contact with Sierra and abused her. Fuck that bitch.
All these goddamn Pooner enablers are the same; "Wahhh, my kid is dead, wahhhh, you can't ever talk about them because they're dead, wahhh, I am using my dead child as an emotional shield to make myself immune to criticism!"
No, fuck you. If you enabled your child's Transing, YOU are responsible for their death and you deserve all the misery and criticism you get FOREVER.
The polarised views on this are quite a good example of the difference between the two sexes, aren't they? It's interesting that women will generally be much more concerned with "being nice" and not making anyone feel bad about their role in a given situation, whereas men are usually primarily focused on not letting guilty people avoid responsibility.
It matters who Sierra is and how she interacts with this whole topic.
If Andy Ngo were the one publishing info he had obtained from Gruffin's family, you know he would be doing it differently. It would be more meaningful information, presented in a more informative manner and framed in a more constructive fashion that links back to the whole trans issue in a way that makes it clear what the problem is.
Same with the Reduxx ladies, even LOTT. Any major right wing or TERF journo you can think of who does this beat- they would have handled it in a more constructive way.
Sierra isn't a journo. She isn't even a helpful shitposter like a lot of the people on KF. She is just an attention seeking moron. She muddies the waters and spoils the field for people who are actually trying to get the word out about how this stuff is destroying kids and families.
That's why people hate her so much. She is only in this for herself and her own mental illness.
It would be more meaningful information, presented in a more informative manner and framed in a more constructive fashion that links back to the whole trans issue in a way that makes it clear what the problem is.
You're probably right...but is there actually anyone of note doing this? Matt Walsh is one but who, with mainstream name recognition, is actually presenting these facts to Normies?
Are people really arguing that child abusers should be exempt from mockery? Are they really arguing that guessing a tranny would die is wrong, even though that’s the entire point of the 41% meme?
I’m new to this thread, so I flipped through the highlights all the way back to March of this year. All I saw was the Xitter post where Exulansic shared the Facebook Messenger exchange between herself and Gruffin’s mom (Mrs. Sivret). Before she showed those screenshots, Exulansic posted about the interaction before. That was it. I saw no other interactions between her and Gruffin’s family. I saw no interactions with anyone besides Gruffin’s mom. So I have no clue where you’re getting “several private interactions with the family”.
What part was out of line? Posting about Gruffin? Posting the interactions that Mrs. Sivret initiated? I agree that there are some things that you don’t do to grieving families - like picket their loved one’s funeral. And even that should be legal provided they stay out of everyone’s way. That’s not what Ex did.
I’m not looking to “argue” in the sense that I’m not gonna call you a neighbour-faggot for your take. I’m willing to “argue” about specific claims about a lolcow if I feel they’re not substantiated.
I would not say that Mrs. Sivret “abused” Exulansic even though she used abusive language like swear words. Abuse, to me, is more than calling someone a cunt. It’s calling someone a cunt and never letting up. That aside, I agree with you that Gruffin and her mom are stupid bitches, and they got what they fucking deserved.
“Let me get this straight, you think tentacle dicks and dander-dysphoria is funny?”
“I do, and I’m tired of pretending it’s not.”
It matters who Sierra is and how she interacts with this whole topic.
If Andy Ngo were the one publishing info he had obtained from Gruffin's family, you know he would be doing it differently. It would be more meaningful information, presented in a more informative manner and framed in a more constructive fashion that links back to the whole trans issue in a way that makes it clear what the problem is.
Same with the Reduxx ladies, even LOTT. Any major right wing or TERF journo you can think of who does this beat- they would have handled it in a more constructive way.
Sierra isn't a journo. She isn't even a helpful shitposter like a lot of the people on KF. She is just an attention seeking moron. She muddies the waters and spoils the field for people who are actually trying to get the word out about how this stuff is destroying kids and families.
That's why people hate her so much. She is only in this for herself and her own mental illness.
This just sounds like excuse making. “Ex did this wrong. “Why?” “Ngo and Reduxx would have been better.” What sort of non-criticism is that? That is so vague.
You're probably right...but is there actually anyone of note doing this? Matt Walsh is one but who, with mainstream name recognition, is actually presenting these facts to Normies?
I can think of a couple other people. With that said, people don’t get how bad things are. People legitimately think all tranny drugs are reversible, all MTFs are Robbie White, etc. People don’t know how bad it is and it takes obscenity (like the SRS thread here on Kiwi Farms) or, say, Exulansic posting Gruffin’s pseudo-phallus to wake them up. People need to see how fucked up this is because when there is subtlety, ambiguity, and “sensitivity”, trannies can hide their crimes away.
While I don't know how responsible Sierra is for the conduct of her wackjob followers, she's not telling them to do shit, and she has no ability to stop them
Exactly this. People are responsible for themselves. Exulansic isn’t responsible for her fans (correctly) calling this woman a failure of a parent. She’s not responsible for people saying this woman’s (likely) homophobia killed her child. If her and her maggot-infested kid didn’t want to be mocked, maybe they shouldn’t have put their lives online.
Why does this matter? “Oh this happened four years ago so I bet there is zero resemblance to what tranny surgeries are going on now.” How fast do you think medical data is generated?
Because birth control is one way pooners self-medicate. That’s like saying, “how could you equate mastectomy with transition”. They’re specifically doing it to stop feminine problems like queefing blood.
Why are we taking these filings seriously? Trannies threaten licensure all the time. If people are calling bullshit on Ex’s description of Gallagher’s old work, then why am I supposed to take this seriously? Or assume that it’s a legitimate complaint by a former client? I thought everyone here agreed that she wasn’t practicing, so how the fuck is she abusing patients?
The only “bad look” is what Gruffin looked like after her surgeries. Seriously, how the fuck are freaks like Mrs. Sivret or Jeannette Jennings the sympathetic ones? They mutilated their children’s genitals. They’re grieving the way that Dean Corll grieved when the boy he was ass-raping died before he was done playing with him. Simple as.
If that bitch had swung into my DMs, I would not have been as nice as Ex. I’d be sending this bitch 41%, Darwin award, and pooner memes. I certainly wouldn’t say that I feel sorry for their loss or hope they feel better. Suffer, horse bad mom, suffer. Sierra’s cringe for not going HAM.
“Mrs Sivret you don’t understand legally I can’t harass your child, she’s dead. I’m going to monetize your texts though and expose you to more criticism. There’s nothing weird about this at all!”
Transhausen parents like Mrs. Sivret and Jennings monetize the abuse of their children, sometimes literally, and other times for social capital. And you’re concerned about people like Exulansic (or Null, or I Hypocrite, or…) laughing at them and (possibly) making money off exposing them? Priorities, my brother in Christ. Why are so many people in this thread simping for child abuse just to spite some autistic woman? And where did Ex ever profit off those tweets? You can’t monetize tweets and I have not seen evidence that Ex put them in a video.
It doesn’t hurt Sierra. The reason this woman deserves to be exposed is not because she said naughty words to Ex. She’s guilty because she facilitated the medical abuse of her daughter, which lead to the girl’s death. Now that her child is dead, rather than learning her lesson and advocating against these atrocities, she is doubling down. She is likely going to keep shilling this ideology to people she knows and will continue advocating for the mutilation of children.
People need to see that these parents care more about the ideology than their own kids, just like JWs and their rules about blood transfusions. This woman has sacrificed her child to Moloch (the demon of “human sacrifice, and parents' tears”), and is still a believer. People need to see that the parents of “trans kids” are monsters. Monsters who, in any sane world, would be lynched, or at the very least, imprisoned.
Parents (mostly mothers) do this shit to their kids because it gives them clout and social caché. In the words of one child-abusing hag, “having a trans-kid made me way more interesting”. The only way these people will stop hurting kids is if they face pushback. So, you ask, who benefits in Ex exposing this bitch? Uh, every single child with a borderline mother who is considering doing this to them.
You know what all this pearl clutching about Ex and Mrs. Sivret is reminding me of? This father, whose son was killed by some Haitian drunk driver, whining about how he wishes a white man killed his son because the “optics” would be better. He cries about how his son would never stand for racism and they never approved of right-wing media using the story for their political motives.
But guess what? He doesn’t have sole ownership of his son’s story. Every single parent with children in Ohio has a right to draw their own conclusions from what happened. The dad doesn’t get to scream, cry, and dominate the story. I don’t think Vance or Trump are wrong to discuss this boy’s death, and I say this as someone who isn’t a MAGAbrain or partisan in American politics.
And, guess what else? People saw Aiden Clark’s dad speak out against Trump and Vance and most people thought he was pathetic. Why do you think they shut off the comments on this video? Why it made the rounds on social media? Because people thought it was silly for him to act like Vance and Trump were bad foe trying to spare other kids Aiden’s fate.
This same thing happened during the Pandemic. “You can’t laugh at vaxxed people dying of myocarditis!” “You can’t laugh at people who refused the vaccine and then died!” There was this obsession with whether something was “nice” and little discussion about whether it was correct. You know, the thing that actually matters.
You wanna honour the dead? Tell the truth. Learn from their lives and mistakes. Carry the lessons and tragedies forward into history so this doesn’t happen again. In my opinion, Ex has done more for this brat than her mother ever did.
She should have done that and sent pictures of Gruffin’s fucked up genitalia. But, like you said, Ex always knew these would be public, so she does the “nice guy” routine for her own benefit instead of letting the bitch have it.
What makes Sierra, maybe not "responsible", but at least a big asshole is that she knows, first hand, from her slumber parties with these nutjobs, that that sort of thing is absolutely a realistic outcome of her posting that stuff.
You could make these arguments about literally anyone with any following ever. Is Null inciting violence against Elliot Fong Jones when he says that E/LFJ a tranny destroying the Internet? What about Destiny and the Keffals drop? Maybe, instead of trying to delineate when a person becomes responsible for their fanbase, we just hold people responsible for only their actions, and do away with collective guilt?
Private people who chose to post pictures, medical details, and videos of themselves and their children on the Internet. You know who else isn’t a public figure? 90% of the people featured on this website.
It's not about "reee Gruffin's mom is a poor widdle sacrosanct victim!" It's about "Sierra is a laughingstock who can't even get the details of a story straight and is as likely to veer off into some bizarre lolcow behaviors of her own as she is to make any kind of salient point you'd want your cause to be associated with."
Yeah, I remember the “anti-Semitism even though she’s not Jewish” thing. That was retarded. I have no issue with people laughing at that.
As for Boyce… as you sure she was the (only) cow there? Boyce shilled for some tranny who claimed to be an “intersex” female and then Exulansic found out he was a whole-ass man. Then Boyce shilled for the Genspect tranny (Phil Ily), but Exulansic agreed with him on that stupid point. So yeah, I have no issue with conceding Ex can be a retard, I’m saying this isn’t one of those times. Boyce is a faggot. He and Sierra both went easy on that Phil Ily guy.
Basically, this whole argument is tantamount to, “she was cringe before so this is cringe”, or milk by lolcow association. Nah, it’s not cringe to laugh at retards. Mutilating your body is cringe. I’ll concede that Ex was trying to come off as “cool”, moral, and calm relative to Mrs. Sivret, and that is manipulation. However, the woman mutilated her child. She’s clearly nuts. You don’t go poking crazy people unless you’re into home defence. Most people are manipulative or cognizant of optics when dealing with wokoids because of how the latter manipulate the situation. People will “she” a tranny to keep their job, and I see Ex not letting the mom have it as another variation on this.
I already responded to this (see quote). Sierra is a hypocrite because she flips out just as bad as Gruffin's mom does, and Gruffin's mom is mourning her dead child. Do you remember the "people made an anti-semitic drawing of meeee" saga, or the Benjamin Boyce drama?
A lot of people on Ovarit and in TERF spaces are fawning over Sierra again, but they forget she is a liar and a poser. And I think posting private conversations with a parent for clicks is tasteless.
there was no reason for Sierra to post that convo to her twitter for asspats. She could have replied to the mother in the exact same way and simply not shared the messages on her socials. She did that only so people would tell her how virtuous she is, and because mom is raging and that gives her an opportunity to seem calm and reasonable. But this thread remembers how Sierra can rage in exactly the same way.
It's not about "reee Gruffin's mom is a poor widdle sacrosanct victim!" It's about "Sierra is a laughingstock who can't even get the details of a story straight and is as likely to veer off into some bizarre lolcow behaviors of her own as she is to make any kind of salient point you'd want your cause to be associated with."
This just sounds like excuse making. “Ex did this wrong. “Why?” “Ngo and Reduxx would have been better.” What sort of non-criticism is that? That is so vague.
I mean, the thread is full of Sierra's videos being full of spergy misinformation about troonery. Like when she webmd diagnosed Jazz with some disorder and people have been repeating it forever.
At least one completely legitimate reason to report Sierra would've been her misrepresenting her credentials. She's described herself as a "pathologist" because of her credentials over and over and over for years now.
Misrepresenting one's credentials, especially in the public sphere, is a pretty standard reason to be reprimanded in basically any professional organization out there.
Also I think Jon Uhler (sp?) also had some gripes with her behaving unprofessionally, but I don't know his claims too well.
Because it's not ending child mutilation. Sierra is not advancing the cause by doing this. That's my whole point, and that's my comparison with the gun grabbers using AI models of their dead kids to try to guilt the public into voting for gun control.
I think we'd all agree that an AI generated video of a dead relative is sorta ghoulish. If your uncle got hit by a car, but then you get an AI generated video of him shilling the family restaurant, "I'm dead, but this is still the best pulled pork in the state", everyone would agree that's horrible and tasteless.
But if the cause was serious enough, that might be OK. If you're desperate. So if AI uncle is pushing for more speed cameras or some shit, and that actually persuades the public and gets a law passed, then as ghoulish as it might be, it was worth it in the end.
I do not believe anyone is persuaded by Sierra leaking these messages of an angry, distraught mother screeching at her in PMs. No normal person on the fence sees this misguided, grieving mother shrieking at Sierra, and sees Sierra leak those messages and goes "huh, maybe the terfs are right..." That's a retarded thing to claim.
It does not move the needle on child mutilations.
And since it doesn't help the cause, all that remains is that it's ghoulish to do so. And it is.
(Moderate people can be persuaded by many other methods, but not this method. And in fact, I do think we are making progress on this issue. Just despite Sierra's help, not because of Sierra's "help".)
You could make these arguments about literally anyone with any following ever. Is Null inciting violence against Elliot Fong Jones when he says that E/LFJ a tranny destroying the Internet? What about Destiny and the Keffals drop? Maybe, instead of trying to delineate when a person becomes responsible for their fanbase, we just hold people responsible for only their actions, and do away with collective guilt?
I mean, people do influence their fanbase. That is factually true.
If influencing group behavior through non-explicit, untargeted speech was impossible, then the whole field of marketing wouldn't exist.
Now sure, I'm extremely cautious before tarring anyone with the brush of their fanbase's behavior, exactly for the reasons you're describing.
I've just been around the terf space for long enough, that I know the crowd of people who are extremely into people like Sierra or Karen Davis, are perpetually online, angry cat ladies that get into big twitter screeching matches with troons AND each other and contribute nothing to the cause. Their internal drama and how they behave online makes that pretty obvious.
The tribalism is also very stark and also why I'm more OK with calling Sierra an asshole for her spergy, insane fanbase and how they handle Sierra's posts. More than I would most other public figures.
Are you talking about the Prader-Willi syndrome (PWS) thing? Because that was one of the arguments against Ex that I thought was retarded. If I’m recalling correctly, she said Jaron might have something akin to PWS because growth hormone deficiency is a downstream effect of that genetic disorder. That’s why growth hormone treatment is sometimes used for these patients. My memory of her argument was that the puberty blockers caused something akin to PWS, but not PWS itself. I decided to double check by googling “Exulansic” and PDS, and found this:
Exulansic (?) said:
In either rebellion, an assertion of control, or a manifestation of a developmentally injured hypothalamus-related Prader-Willi like syndrome, Jazz is using and abusing food as a mind-altering substance and coping mechanism, as his health predictably craters in the wake of the long-term child experimentation he was subjected to.
A core argument in this episode is that the puberty blockers directly malformed Jazz's hypothalamus, which relies on gonadotropin releasing hormone exposure at a pulsatile (rhythmic, fluctuating) rate to form. Lupron, a puberty blocker, is a gonadotropin-releasing hormone analogue that is 20x as powerful as the natural version. I am arguing that this is clearly resulting in a Prader-Willi-like syndrome that has left Jazz with joint hypermobility, obesity, and cognitive impairment.
So, no, she didn’t diagnose Jazz with PDS. She said that PWS is a genetic disorder that causes growth hormone deficiency, something that the puberty blockers induced exogenously. Why would a manmade inducement of growth hormone deficiency not create analogues to natural GH deficiency? You either misremembered or misrepresented her argument. This chick does enough silly stuff on her own, like hang out with Phil Ily, do we really need to misrepresent her takes to make this thread funny? TLDR: Type 1 and type 2 diabetes exist. The same symptoms can stem from endogenous and exogenous causes.
Just looking at this article, I would say I side with John against Ex regarding Phil. I like Uhler, but he also has his own biases and problems. Saying that because she’s arguing with him that she’s being a dick is a huge assumption. The equivalent would be saying that Uhler is a misogynist because he beefs with Exulansic, a self-proclaimed feminist woman. If that sounds retarded, congrats, it is. If you want me to take Jon Uhler’s criticism seriously, I need more than an argument from (unsubstantiated) authority.
Did you ever see the “Lynchian” posts about Jazz Jennings back on /tv/? Before Exulansic ever discussed him? Because I do, and this is how people responded:
David Foster Wallace once wrote a piece about David Lynch. In the piece, he coined a new term: "Lynchian". Wallace described a Lynchian tone as "the unbelievably grotesque existing in a kind of union with the unbelievably banal."
He described a husband beating his 1950s housewife to death because she bought the wrong brand of peanut butter. "I told you to buy the JIF," he'd say as he's clobbering her to death. This, he said, would qualify as almost perfectly Lynchian.
I think "I Am Jazz" enters into Lynchian territory. Imagine a simple domestic scene. The women look like average suburban moms. They're relaxing on the couch. One imagines they might be discussing casserole recipes when we cut to them. But it slowly dawns on us that in the living room, with placid expressions on their faces, they're talking about the woman's transvestite son's genitals.
Despite the obvious subtext and the producers' hope to normalize this horror, the average person is totally disgusted. Nevertheless, the viewer is fascinated. We're drawn further into this. The sheer naked horror of what they're saying, the blase quality with which they're saying it, it creates this brutal paradox that almost rapes the viewer's basic sense of what is decent.
In The Lord of the Rings, J. R. R. Tolkien drew upon the language and themes found in the old Medieval hero-tales in order to construct a kind of new mythology. The brilliance of Tolkien was in his departure from the Pagan modes of conduct and morality of these old tales, his creation of a syncretistic fusion between Christian thought and Pagan language, and so his work achieved a deep resonance with all who read it.
We find this passage at the conclusion of The Return of the King:
The Dark Lord was suddenly aware of him, and his Eye piercing all shadows looked across the plain to the door that he had made; and the magnitude of his own folly was revealed to him in a blinding flash, and all the devices of his enemies were at last laid bare.
Adversaries in the stories that Tolkien drew upon, Grendel, Mordred and the like, often served as obstacles that the heroes could overcome through feats of strength and cunning. Sauron is not like them. When Sauron is defeated, it is not because Aragorn is stronger than him or because Gandalf is wiser. They are not. It is only that his hubris was so great that it never occurred to him that anyone would want to destroy the thing he held so dear. It is not until the final few seconds of his existence that he realizes his mistake.
I think that I Am Jazz displays a similar moment. In the pictured scene, Jazz's journey to what he believes is womanhood is almost complete. He is resting after surgery, a triumphant smile on his face, his rotting groin held together by a labyrinthine patchwork of stitches and grafts. But as Eru Ilúvatar nudged Gollum over the Crack of Doom into the fires beneath, so too does the God of our world intervene in this. >Pop!
In a second, the follies of men are undone and Jazz's crotch explodes, a meaty froth of blood and pus pouring out of the hole where his penis used to be.
In that moment of blind panic and terror, Jazz is Sauron. All triumph and victory is gone. Only the Void remains.
I bolded the parts I consider most relevant to you / this exchange. Normal people are disgusted by parents like Jeannette and Mrs. Sivret. That matters because the “trans child” fiction is the basis for this whole transgender lie.
Trannies need to say that they were “born this way”, like homosexuals or the retarded, because people have sympathy for things you “can’t help”. Part of this narrative is that some kids are born trans. Furthermore, it’s about using the “youngshit transitioners” as a face to hide AGP monsters. If it is explained that every single “parent to a trans kid” is the equivalent of Dee Dee Blanchard, people will stop being cowed by their arguments. The trans parent thrives on attention and social approval, and removing that crushes them. See the abundance of celebrities with molested trans children. Archive.
The only part of this copypasta that’s wrong is that it’s not Jazz who is Sauron. Jeannette and Greg are Sauron. Jazz is Gollum, and the One Ring is an actual pussy. I think this means that Sander is the Mouth of Sauron.
Except there is no AI. These are all documents Gruffin herself released online. Rather than some silly AI puppet uncle, this is more like those gory pictures on cigarette packets. Which, by the way, work. In Cummings et al. (2002), Effectiveness of Cigarette Warning Labels in Reducing Tobacco Consumption, it says that graphic warning labels can have a stronger emotional impact than text-only warnings. Strong et al. 2021 found the same thing. Why would one dangerous trend - smoking - behave differently than another dangerous trend (trooning)?
Yeah, and she tells them not to harass people. Simple as. Consider the 1969 Supreme Court case Brandenburg v. Ohio. You need an inciting statement (direct incitement) + likelihood of statement being obeyed (likelihood of incitement). Marilyn Manson’s a rapist but he didn’t do Columbine.
You could turn this around on something like Libs of TikTok. In fact, that was the argument against LOTT. “She is exposing a bunch of innocent queer educators to her hateful bigoted audience”. It’s stupid when they said it and it’s stupid here too.
And with the marketing metaphor… Ex would be the marketer, right? I concede that ads work in some sense, but would you say someone who buys something after seeing an ad is not responsible for their purchase? That the advertiser is responsible for their financial choices? Because that’s what your analogy is implying.
And even if people were dogpiling this woman on her social media and (correctly) pointing out that she abused and neglected her child? You know what she could have done?
Haven’t they both been to multiple IRL conferences and protests? Like, wasn’t Karen Davis at the protest in New York where that curly haired troon sperged out?
TLDR: You seriously overestimate how much sympathy people have for child abusers.
These are all documents Gruffin herself released online. Rather than some silly AI puppet uncle, this is more like those gory pictures on cigarette packets.
I think it'd be more effective to move past Gruffin and just take any of a dozen random troons with rotcrotches from the SRS thread.
I'm reminded of when we had the TransLifeline thread and that dead troon's widow showed up to KF tell us off about making fun of her dead troon husband. A few people here on KF were hostile / mocked her at first, but we quickly became much, much more polite and sympathetic, especially considering her son lost his father.
Meanwhile, TransLifeline's Greta and Nina were still sperging about KF killing this poor troon or whatever, and said widow went to TransLifeline's Facebook page to tell them to quit trying to milk donations from her husband's grave. TLL did not respond empathetically and ended up blocking her.
That was embarrassing and awful for TLL and looked great for us. (And really, it's not just about looking good, but just being a good person.)
There will always be more retarded troons who are alive, mangling their bodies and being belligerent shitheads to hold up as examples. I see no reason to dwell on Gruffin specifically. Just move on.
Oh so many normal people. You have no idea. I've been involved with this shit for years and talking to normies (and other people) for a long time.
I've pestered my politicians about it and testified at various government hearings. I've gone to M4L events. (M4L people are very different depending on if they're in a rural area or a suburban area.)
Lol I was at a Posey Parker protest in DC a few years back when the park service had to tackle some troons. Or I was at that Philly protest where the troons ended up getting us booted from a restaurant.
I've talked to so many people and there's a stark, stark contrast between three groups: 1) brainwashed progtards; 2) enthusiastic (whether spergy enthusastic or passionate enthusiastic, or both) terfs; 3) normal people.
The progtards are obvious, troon kids out no matter what. Terfs are obvious too. Some of them are enthusiastic in good ways, testifying about bills and actually making progress. Other terfs are really just terminally online grifters, doing basically nothing but getting into dumb internet (often lesbian) drama fights.
Normal people in the US find troons to be weird, but America has a longstanding libertarian (whether right or left libertarian) streak of "well, as long as they're not bothering anyone". (Aka "good fences make good neighbors"). Also "it's my choice how to raise my kids, not the government".
It's not that this libertarian streak can't be overcome, it can, but it takes a lot.
So the public messaging of "they're weird, but sad gay men, leave them alone, also the men in the white lab coats say these poor kids need their perfectly reversible puberty blockers" is really persistent among a lot of average people. That needs to be overcome, and it needs to be overcome in a way where you're not blaming someone who could be painted as a parent just following their doctors instructions.
Normies will sympathize with parents following their doctors instructions. Normies are very forgiving to parents trying to do the right thing, even if they're retarded.
Accommodating that is a way to get a win over the troons. The troons are taking actions like wanting to have the state kidnap kids from parents who don't affirm them. The response from the anti-troon side shouldn't be "fuck all those parents who trusted credentialed doctors amid an onslaught of media propaganda", it should be "those doctors should be arrested for lying to you".
Consider the 1969 Supreme Court case Brandenburg v. Ohio. You need an inciting statement (direct incitement) + likelihood of statement being obeyed (likelihood of incitement). Marilyn Manson’s a rapist but he didn’t do Columbine.
You could turn this around on something like Libs of TikTok. In fact, that was the argument against LOTT. “She is exposing a bunch of innocent queer educators to her hateful bigoted audience”. It’s stupid when they said it and it’s stupid here too.
Libs of TikTok is probably closer to my criticisms of Sierra, actually. That's a good comparison.
In comparison in a different direction, I don't think Matt Walsh fans chimp out and if a one-off Matt Walsh fan did chimp out at someone, I wouldn't blame him for it. I'd say it's silly to blame him for it, because his demeanor and approach is far more relaxed and chill.
I do think Libs of TikTok fans are more likely to be Q-tard morons who will harass people, because her approach does attract crazies.
I think it's her tone and how flippant she is about the possibility of people committing crimes against people she discusses.
It's not her responsibility from a legal perspective. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying she should be censored either.
She also sticks to documenting stuff people put out publicly. That does a lot of heavy lifting in defending her from criticism.
I guess I'm saying that if another creator did exactly what LoTT did, but cut down (or even eliminated entirely) the commentary, I'd be a much bigger fan.
There would be absolutely nothing to criticize there. That's always a better position to be in.
Haven’t they both been to multiple IRL conferences and protests? Like, wasn’t Karen Davis at the protest in New York where that curly haired troon sperged out?
Protests. Not conferences. Or no serious conferences, anyway.
They also slept over at each others houses, smoked weed, and stirred up more interpersonal drama. Called the cops on each other. One of these days I bet we'll have a lolsuit in this space.
As anti-troonery gets more successful, the really talented, important advocates are the ones lobbying legislators, giving talks and interviews, pushing new legislation, etc.
And all the lolcows are left behind getting into weird lesbian slapfights online.
Has she not moved on from Gruffin? I decided to google Exulansic and Gruffin’s names, and the most recent post about Gruff was on the 13th of October. Ten days before she made a Facebook post, but it was already posted in this thread from two months ago. That was the most recent post, the rest were from August.
Gruffin died in late July. Exulansic talked about Gruffin for 3-4 months and then moved on and never mentioned her again 2 months ago. You make it sound like she’s still beating this dead woman horse.
that dead troon's widow showed up to KF tell us off about making fun of her dead troon husband. A few people here on KF were hostile / mocked her at first, but we quickly became much, much more polite and sympathetic, especially considering her son lost his father.
You’re talking about “Elizabeth” Waite? That’s a completely different scenario. Mrs. Waite was abused by her husband, who trooned out after they were married. She was not someone who supported or incited his troonery. She did not pressure him to troon out. She was a battered wife who tried staying with her deranged pervert of a husband for the sake of their kid. She was a victim. She does deserve sympathy.
How does the story of a trans widow relate to a woman who pooned out her 13-14 year old daughter? Or a woman who organized her son getting his dick cut off? It doesn’t.
It’s not your freedom, right, or choice to abuse your kids. It’s the transgender movement through “sanctuary laws” and teachers hiding alternative names that challenges parental rights.
the public messaging of "they're weird, but sad gay men, leave them alone, also the men in the white lab coats say these poor kids need their perfectly reversible puberty blockers"
Gruffin died in late July. Exulansic talked about Gruffin for 3-4 months and then moved on and never mentioned her again 2 months ago. You make it sound like she’s still beating this dead woman horse.
Yeah, that's pretty ghoulish too, but this is also the farms. Not someone with a youtube account that people try to link to other people to peak them.
There's lots of shit here that I find interesting or amusing, but I would never link it to a relative to try and peak them. They'd just think that I'm being an asshole to poor retarded trannies. I know better, of course. Troons aren't innocent.
In the past, I have tried to link stuff I found here that I thought was palatable to normal people. I learned from experience that the propaganda runs extremely deep in a lot of people. You need to be really fucking gentle, which is depressing because all of this should be basic common sense. (But I guess lobotomies lasted for awhile too.)
Also it helps that most of the people in the SRS thread are alive and still being belligerent assholes in other ways.
How does the story of a trans widow relate to a woman who pooned out her 13-14 year old daughter? Or a woman who organized her son getting his dick cut off? It doesn’t.
It’s not your freedom, right, or choice to abuse your kids. It’s the transgender movement through “sanctuary laws” and teachers hiding alternative names that challenges parental rights.
Agreed, but you have to make the argument explaining why troonery isn't legitimate medical science, and you're going uphill against the media (or you were, the media is starting to realize they're on the losing side of this).
And while you're doing that, you only have a limited amount of time and space before they paint you as an obsessed bigot.
You can extend your time and space by limiting how much you criticize the parents directly, if there are bigger, more effective targets to criticize. Like doctors and the medical system that permits and encourages it.
Edit: For example, describing childhood transitioning as the opioid epidemic 2.0 resonates with a lot of people. Everyone accepts that unscrupulous doctors over-prescribed pills opiates and now we've got a big problem. That's accepted in public discourse. Linking trooning to that works for a lot of normal people.
Until the people involved, people that the public might sympathize with, start opposing you. Especially when you're leaking conversations with a grieving mother. Best to just drop it and move on to another example.
I don't need to prove anything to have my own opinion. Like if someone is found "not guilty" in court, that doesn't mean I'm not 100% legally entitled to say "yeah, I think that person's a rapist".
The court system in the US was never meant to be the final word on facts in all aspects of public discourse.
A "not guilty" verdict doesn't mean anything other than "this person was not found to have committed the crime beyond a reasonable doubt". It doesn't mean "this person did not do it". And it especially doesn't mean you cannot express yourself that you believe they did it.
I think Jeanette is less ignorant than your average transhausen parent, but I still think she's both ignorant and greedy/selfish/horrible. It doesn't need to be either or.
I think there are some parents I wouldn't have a problem with criticizing. Susie Green is one who comes to mind. She started a big pro-transing kids org and took her son abroad to have his dick chopped when he was 17.
She's constantly in the media and public about everything. She's a perfect target as far as parents go.
And by that criteria, I think Jeanette is a decent target too (attention seeking via a shitty reality tv show about castrating her son), although not nearly as loud or aggressive as Susie.
But I think Gruffin's mom is way far down the ladder. Like she and Gruffin weren't rich or sophisticated, loud media figures. I think they lived in trailer parks at some point?
I just don't see the value in pestering her about it.
Except “the individuals involved” are totally different and so your comparison makes no sense. Battered wives aren’t abusive moms. One is a victim of gender ideology and the other is a perpetrator.
Except that’s really easy. “No study has ever confirmed that the Dutch Protocol improves mental health outcomes and / or suicidality and there’s evidence that it makes patients worse.” Combine that with the known risks and lawsuits related to Lupron.
It’s pretty easy to avoid accusations of bigotry when you point out the ways trannies are bigots. See the violations of the Geneva Convention, the cotton ceiling, or the sterilization of gay teenagers at Tavistock.
I like how the goal posts moved from “Exulansic is a vile bully because of what she did to this mother” to “this is bad optics even if the mother is a bad person” and “Exulansic is a ghoul no matter what she does related to this topic”.
You can extend your time and space by limiting how much you criticize the parents directly, if there are bigger, more effective targets to criticize. Like doctors and the medical system that permits and encourages it.
Or you could answer the problem directly and explain how most trannies are dangerous sex pests, how autogynephilia relates to serial murder, etc. See attachments. Also see wildly successful anti-trans campaigner Matt Walsh who regularly calls out parents on this issue to great applause. Also see Joshua Slocum who did something similar. And here’s Tim Pool doing it.
Gruffin shilled her toxic ideology to children online who saw her as a relatable role model. She was a “content creator” type of public figure whose surgeries are well-documented because she photographed and described most of the results.
Good thing Exulansic didn’t (1) tell her followers to harass the mom, (2) didn’t contact the mother, (3) was contacted by the mother, (4) responded graciously to the mother’s rude outbursts, (5) made a two posts about Gruffin’s mom in total (one with the leaks and one explaining them), and (6) hasn’t talked about Gruffin in over two months. You’re framing this like she has been leading a consistent terror campaign against this mother when she isn’t and hasn’t.
TLDR: I don’t care about optics I care about (a) what’s morally right and (b) punishing child abusers, the latter of which is good optics. Trying to be nice, polite, and sensitive is how this shit started to begin with.
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