Why Modern women expectations are too high and unrealistic?

[YHWH's Strongest Soldier]

I laid out a trap and you've fallen in it like the fool blinded by rage that you are. I almost pity you.

Notice that I only mentioned one grandfather, and you've extrapolated that to both parents. My other grandfather never had formal education beyond high school and still managed a reasonably successful small business until he was muscled out of it by organized crime. Despite that he set to other ventures and ultimately provided for that side of the family through hard work supplemented by smart investments.

So your other grandfather was a successful business owner whose child married into the family of a medical doctor? How the fuck does that disprove my claim that you come from a privileged background? Mind you, it's your grandfather who was actually a good man that was successful despite being targeted by organized crime. You are benefiting from his perseverance and ambition.

Edit: Again, just a failson who thinks that faith makes him equal to his hardworking parents.

 

[Preacher ✝]

Mind you, it's your grandfather who was actually a good man that was successful despite being targeted by organized crime

Did your college not cover reading comprehension? He was not successful despite being targeted by organized crime. They ended his business and he was targeted because it was successful. However it wasn't successful long enough to amount to much. In the end he barely broke even from the initial investment it took to start it and most of that came from other people who believed in his idea.

You are benefiting from his perseverance and ambition.

My parents benefited from it, and he benefited from my great grandparents, and them from their parents, and so on and so forth.

I'm not going to resort to power leveling to prove my own accomplishments to you, but I am curious why you think it makes someone lesser if they benefit from the success of previous generations? Is it jealousy? Is the idea that someone would want their children and their children's children to benefit foreign to you?

 

[YHWH's Strongest Soldier]

I'm not going to resort to power leveling to prove my own accomplishments to you, but I am curious why you think it makes someone lesser if they benefit from the success of previous generations? Is it jealousy? Is the idea that someone would want their children and their children's children to benefit foreign to you?

You still don't understand that not everyone can benefit so much from their parents' work, do you? Please, never join the priesthood. You are incapable of empathizing or even understanding the challenges faced by those born less privileged than you.

 

[bunnydoll]

Have you considered the possibility that your are being crippled by fear of the worst possible outcome? What if you find a man you love who loves you back and you're fully devoted to each other? Maybe he isn't rich but he can provide a decent life for you and your children?

It's not even about if he can provide for me and my kids it's about my own independence so that, at the end of the day, I have something to fall back on. In my country there's a big big problem with men killing their wives, abusing them or financially manipulating them so they never leave them. I've grown up seeing my mother go through things no woman should ever go through. That's why I choose education and career.

So because people often fail to live up to them we should just abandon all ideals and stop advocating for them?

If he beats me then yes lol.

If you had a loving and devoted husband and your needs were guaranteed to be met by him would you still hold hopes and aspirations that you place about having children? If so what are they and why?

Yes I would. Why is it so wrong to want to have something of my own. You'd be surprised but women have hobbies. I know what a shocker.

You don't have to be rich to afford to raise children unless you see them as an accessory or a status symbol and not a priority.

Shit a rich person would say lmao. Have you seen the price of groceries?

 

[JamusActimus]

I'm not going to resort to power leveling to prove my own accomplishments to you, but I am curious why you think it makes someone lesser if they benefit from the success of previous generations? Is it jealousy? Is the idea that someone would want their children and their children's children to benefit foreign to you?

You're sheltered and privileged to the point where you do not realize that the vast majority of men can't be the only bread winner in the house.

There's a very low chance a woman finds a faithful high value man that can fully provide for her.
Marrying a rich cultured wealthy man is not an option for 99% of women.
A woman is better off having a higher education so she's independent and does not fully depend of her future husband.

 

[Celestial Peace]

Perhaps here I can express myself without needing to shitpost or engage in shit flinging.

Internet and social media made people quite retarded. Compared to back in the day when only stupid nerds would try to mix online with offline people are really caught in the apex of futility and superficial life goals because this is what is sold as the current standard/status to achieve and maintain but in the long run it'll make you lonely, empty and miserable.

At the same time we have certain online niches perpetuating gender war which sometimes sounds forced and unnatural and said niches are just echo-chambers for people that are hurt, forlone, forgotten or victims of abuse that have a fix on hating the other gender becuase it helps to fill the vaccum in their respective broken hearts and gives them their fix.

Although romanticism is sometimes overblown and overrated it is nice to have someone by your side to share feelings and endure hard times that otherwise would be tough to do so on your own. Perhaps you don't exactly need someone and indeed can endure things in life without a partner but it is undeniable that couples have their own support provided both accept and understand each other and treat each other well.

So, all in all, we all need and should be working after somebody to help us in our daily struggle and ease the hardships of life.

Actually, fuck that. All they want is money and Chad-tier alpha males. If you're under 6 ft tall, earn less than $90k/year is skinny/fat fuck, you're done for. TikTok rizz Ohio and all that shit.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

I disagree. I never said they were mutually exclusive I said they were a poor choice of priority and not a good reason to avoid having kids. It's an important distinction.

So you agree it's not an either/ or. Good.

Weird. Could have sworn you said "trade." And "absurd is the notion of married women having a career and their own income. A married woman is supposed to maintain the home and raise the kids."

working for a living is a sacrifice men make to afford having a family

The same is true for women who work.

Again you're making sweeping assumptions. Show me where I said I learned nothing. All I said was that I witnessed and experienced the indoctrination efforts of a college education. I still learned a lot of things but I could have also learned those same things on my own without the college or its overpriced certificate of graduation.

Congratulations, you fell for the college is important meme.

Sure reads like "college isn't important or useful." Which tells me you lacked and lack discernment.

I question how much you actually know about what is or is not of God, especially when you cannot even be bothered to capitalize the G. Go on, share your spiritual enlightenment with the rest of us.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/godly

It's not a capitalized word, goof. Not even in the Bible, and not even by real preachers. And yes, I did that on purpose, and yes, you bit hard.

And easy on the arrogance, padre.

Isaiah 55:8-9​

8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts,neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

 

[community member]

Aren't you the dude who cried multiple times in the Woman Hate thread about how female orgasms aren't real?

Women actually enjoying sex isn't an unreasonable demand, but I can see why this might upset you

this won the entire thread for me

 

[Preacher ✝]

You still don't understand that not everyone can benefit so much from their parents' work, do you?

You're dodging the question. Why do you think the fact that I have benefited from my ancestors makes me lesser?

You are incapable of empathizing or even understanding the challenges faced by those born less privileged than you.

Do not mistake my refusal to abandon virtues and ideals in the face of hardships as a lack of empathy.

It's not even about if he can provide for me and my kids it's about my own independence so that, at the end of the day, I have something to fall back on. In my country there's a big big problem with men killing their wives, abusing them or financially manipulating them so they never leave them. I've grown up seeing my mother go through things no woman should ever go through. That's why I choose education and career.

What your mother went through is wrong and I'm sorry to hear that, and yet here you are because she chose to endure for your benefit. Would you rather not exist? What about your siblings? Should the human race just cease to procreate whenever there's hardship or even the potential of hardship?

If he beats me then yes lol.

Just to be clear you're totally fine with abandoning all virtues and ideals over the possibility of a worst case scenario?

Yes I would. Why is it so wrong to want to have something of my own. You'd be surprised but women have hobbies. I know what a shocker.

Hobbies are great but they should not be a priority above having children.

You're sheltered and privileged to the point where you do not realize that the vast majority of men can't be the only bread winner in the house.

You'd be surprised how much you can afford when you don't waste money on unnecessary luxuries.

A woman is better off having a higher education so she's independent and does not fully depend of her future husband.

You might have a point if you framed this as an unfortunate necessity in the face of modern reality.

Weird. Could have sworn you said "trade." And "absurd is the notion of married women having a career and their own income. A married woman is supposed to maintain the home and raise the kids."

Ah I see your confusion. I was speaking on the concept that women should put those things above having and raising kids. As in someone who chooses not to have kids because they'd rather pursue a career.

It's not a capitalized word, goof.

Okay my bad, I was trying to hit you with a cheap platitude.

Ah but lets unpack that definition you provided. What do you know about being divine, pious, or devout? And why do you insist that I am falling short of these things by advocating for loving, devoted marriages and raising children? Do you think its pious or devout to prioritize a career over children?

Sure reads like "college isn't important or useful." Which tells me you lacked and lack discernment.

If you really want to get into the weeds on this my view of college is that it is not important or useful for most people, and that going to college doesnt make someone better than someone who didn't. I got more value out of the connections I made with people I met through college than the formal education aspect of it. That isn't to say I didn't learn from the education, just that I could have learned all the same things through independent study. Did I lack discernment when I went to college? I don't know, probably. I think a lot of people do at that age. I certainly felt pressured to go to college because it was expected of me, and in hindsight I wish I'd taken a year off to consider it more thoroughly, but I had a scholarship that would have expired and without it I wouldnt have been able to afford college without resorting to predatory loans. Such is life.

Isaiah 55:8-9​

8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts,neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

I don't mean to come off as arrogant. I'm just incensed by the wanton abandonment of virtue on display in this thread.

Also, you quote scripture like a protestant. That is to say you've found some lines in the Bible that you think helps your argument, but you've inadvertently hoisted yourself by your own pitard here.

The scripture you cited is saying that the ways of God are not the ways of the world, and that they are higher than the world. In other words being true to God and living a virtuous life as he intended for us is often seen as foreign, wrong, and incomprehensible by people who themselves are of the world.

Personally I think the First Epistle of John conveys this point better than the book of Isaiah, but that could just be New Testament bias.

1 John 2:15-17 - 15 Do not love the world or the things in the world. If any one loves the world, love for the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the pride of life, is not of the Father but is of the world. 17 And the world passes away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides for ever.

 

[bunnydoll]

What your mother went through is wrong and I'm sorry to hear that, and yet here you are because she chose to endure for your benefit. Would you rather not exist?

Honestly her life would've been so much easier so yes I would be fine with not existing if I knew she would have it easier. She had her own dreams that she had to set aside to raise us and honestly I've seen her deteriorate for years wishing she had a better more fulfilled life. Motherhood wasn't natural to her at all especially because she was so stressed all the time. Not all women are capable of being motherly you know. Get that through your thick skull.

Just to be clear you're totally fine with abandoning all virtues and ideals over the possibility of a worst case scenaro?

Yup.

Hobbies are great but they should not be a priority above having children.

Again not everyone's goal is to have children, people want something else in life and thats okay. You don't HAVE to have children its not a mandatory thing you have to do. So some people simply choose not to, maybe they would be bad parents or dont have the patience to deal with screaming shitting toddlers. It's a personal choice and it's also a free country lol.

 

[Kovachs]

What is this fixation with being rich anyway? You don't have to be rich to afford to raise children unless you see them as an accessory or a status symbol and not a priority. To me being rich means you spend an excess of money on things you don't need. Frivolous luxuries that make you feel important like a mansion or a fancy car. All things that are of this world, none of which we can take with us when we die.

The persona you've constructed is almost nothing but a series of luxury beliefs.

There are all kinds of play-acting we can choose to occupy ourselves with; not everyone wants to play the "Preacher".

 

[Preacher ✝]

The persona you've constructed is almost nothing but a series of luxury beliefs.

There are all kinds of play-acting we can choose to occupy ourselves with; not everyone wants to play the "Preacher".

First of all its not a persona or some form of play acting. It's just Clint Eastwood's character in Pale Rider. That's why my profile picture is of that same character. I like movies, Clint Eastwood is one of my favorite filmmakers/actors, and Pale Rider is not only one of my favorite movies but it was also one I'd rewatched around the same time that I made this account. You're reading way too much into it just because of my religion, its influence on me, and the things I like to discuss.

Second, how are beliefs a luxury? It costs $0 to hold beliefs.

If you want a better idea of what I mean when I say luxuries look at this post here.

 

[Preacher ✝]

Honestly her life would've been so much easier so yes I would be fine with not existing if I knew she would have it easier.

Its nice that you have such love for your mother, but can't you see it's a pretty absurd position to say you'd be okay with not existing if you knew the resulting conditions? For one, thats impossible. You have to exist to know things.

Yup.

That's sad. I pity your lack of conviction. I would rather die than abandon virtue, it would be an honor to become a martyr for Christ.

You don't HAVE to have children its not a mandatory thing you have to do.

If everyone decided not to have children the human race would cease to exist. So while its not something that's forced upon you as an individual, it is mandatory for the survival of our species in the big picture. Therefore it's wrong to promote not having kids as a good thing.

 

[bunnydoll]

For one, thats impossible. You have to exist to know things.

You're so unbearable. YES I KNOW THAT. How would you feel today if you didn't eat breakfast yesterday?

If everyone decided not to have children the human race would cease to exist. So while its not something that's forced upon you as an individual, it is mandatory for the survival of our species in the big picture. Therefore it's wrong to promote not having kids as a good thing.

At this point it's like having a discussion with a wall. All humans on Earth won't stop having children just because some people choose not to have them. There's already 8 billion of us we'll be fine if some people choose not to have them. It's not that difficult to understand and you're mentioning extremes that realistically would never happen. Again everyone has a right to choose to do whatever they want with their life, why should we judge them? So what if some people don't want kids who fucking cares.

 

[Kovachs]

First of all its not a persona or some form of play acting. It's just Clint Eastwood's character in Pale Rider. That's why my profile picture is of that same character. I like movies, Clint Eastwood is one of my favorite filmmakers/actors, and Pale Rider is not only one of my favorite movies but it was also one I'd rewatched around the same time that I made this account. You're reading way too much into it just because of my religion, its influence on me, and the things I like to discuss.

You are absolutely are playing a character. I suppose it's something you enjoy. Our online personas, as in real life, are fixed around certain masquerades, whether that is something we are conscious of or not.

Second, how are beliefs a luxury? It costs $0 to hold beliefs.

You're saying that people should sacrifice for those beliefs. That is a luxury. This aesthetic (and it is aesthetic) ideal of good christian living you have is not necessary, certainly not materially. Forced simplicity is vicious and appeals to the vanity of a certain type of person.

 

[Celestial Peace]

There's already 8 billion of us we'll be fine if some people choose not to have them.

You're arguing with a Catholic. Catholics always coax people with depopulation panic because they think condom is Satanic or some shit like that. Also, priests need some kids to fondle anyway.

 

[Preacher ✝]

At this point it's like having a discussion with a wall.

I feel the same way so lets drop the pretense.

I think its wrong for you and the others in this thread to make the case that not having kids is a good thing. If you don't want to personally have children then you should be okay with admitting that its a self centered choice to make instead of parading out what if scenarios and anecdotes for a false sense of justification.

You are absolutely are playing a character. I suppose it's something you enjoy. Our online personas, as in real life, are fixed around certain masquerades, whether that is something we are conscious of or not.

I'm not trying to play a character. I enjoy shitposting and engaging in discussions. I choose to do so on KiwiFarms because it's the only good website left online. Now you should know as well as I do that if you're going to post on KiwiFarms its unwise to power level or reveal too much identifying info about yourself personally. Thus its necessary to adopt a username that you've never used anywhere else. That doesnt mean its a persona per-se, or that leaning into the thematics of your account is anything more than good fun. I've actually dropped a lot of that, but if you go way back into my post history you can see me using cowboy words like y'all, howdy, and such with unncessary frequency.

You're saying that people should sacrifice for those beliefs.

Yes. That is the nature of uncompromising religious conviction. Thank you for noticing.

That is a luxury. This aesthetic (and it is aesthetic) ideal of good christian living you have is not necessary, certainly not materially. Forced simplicity is vicious and appeals to the vanity of a certain type of person.

I would disagree. It's not a luxury to forego worldly things in favor of virute.

Is good Christian living strictly a necessity? No, but it is virtuous and ideal worth striving for, even if we fall short of it. That concept of striving for an ideal even when you know you can't attain it is, arguably, the most core value of Christianity. To be Christian is to aspire to be like Christ, but none of us can truly be like Christ because we are fallen beings prone to sin and he's the only Son of God, free from sin for all eternity.

Finally nothing I'm saying is in favor of forced simplicity or the hypocrisy of Pharisee's vanity. What I'm saying is that its better to sacrifice unncessary luxuries and, as a result, live simply, than it is to abandon your beliefs and virtues.

 

[KittyGremlin]

Time to bludgeon a dead horse with a rusty crowbar

when this lil nigga says it's time to stop, it's probably time to stop.

 

[DickMain]

Did OP get laid yet

 

[Smokeski]

My unironic genuine advice? Go overseas. Work out, get some money, and go overseas. Even if a guy doesn't wind up doing the passport bro thing, it's worth leaving Burgerland and dating women in other places. Generally what I've come to find is that even the extremely left women of another country are still more pleasant to be around and open to new ideas than American women. I don't really know what it is but there's just something about the culture of America that enables a type of behavior other cultures, even Western ones, simply don't have. Like I said, even if the men you're talking about ultimately don't decide to do the passport bro thing, it's worth trying at least once. There's plenty of reasons to do it, but equally plenty of reasons not to. That being said, it's eye opening to see how other people behave vs. how Americans behave. In some ways, they're a lot better and in others they're worse.

I dated a Bulgarian chick and she was super pleasant. And didn't expect the amount of things US women did. She had humility and lived modestly,