Boeing Troubles - One of the world's largest aerospace manufacturers keeps having problems with their planes.

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TrinityReformed said:
Recycling urine is probably standard for space operations.
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I think they usually bring enough for a normal operation, which this isn't. It would not have been feasible to bring that much water when they expected to be there eight days. I'm pretty sure every facility that has extended visits (and specifically the ISS) has the capacity to do it, though I'm not sure how often they do or if it's always for human consumption.

After all, they can't just chuck it into space where it would end up space debris, or store it indefinitely, so they must process it somehow.

I also haven't heard specifically about using it for soup. Makes sense, I suppose.
 
Forgive me if I'm late of if its already been covered, but the doorplug blowout is such a morbidly hilarious scenario.
The TL;DR of what happened is said door/door area needed to be repainted. Boeing of course had this done at an outsourced plant. None of the people who performed the painting spoke a lick of English whatsoever (which was found upon investigation). The missing bolts were actually found to be missing by an inspector, and the ticket said inspector wrote up was still open at the time the plane was released.
In short we have
1. People who couldnt speaking english (and thus could not read the manual, which is the greatest sin to commit in aviation maintenance)
2. Said people left their job critically incomplete
3. An inspector who noted the issue of being incomplete, and his ticket went ignored.
4. Q/C obviously not catching the open ticket
How you reach this level of a comedy of errors is baffling, especially in a day and age where the biggest buzzword that gets you the most good boy points is "safety"
 
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Among Us Gaming said:
Forgive me if I'm late of if its already been covered, but the doorplug blowout is such a morbidly hilarious scenario.
The TL;DR of what happened is said door/door area needed to be repainted. Boeing of course had this done at an outsourced plant. None of the people who performed the painting spoke a lick of English whatsoever (which was found upon investigation). The missing bolts were actually found to be missing by an inspector, and the ticket said inspector wrote up was still open at the time the plane was released.
In short we have
1. People who couldnt speaking english (and thus could not read the manual, which is the greatest sin to commit in aviation maintenance)
2. Said people left their job critically incomplete
3. An inspector who noted the issue of being incomplete, and his ticket went ignored.
4. Q/C obviously not catching the open ticket
How you reach this level of a comedy of errors is baffling, especially in a day and age where the biggest buzzword that gets you the most good boy points is "safety"
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Maybe they should stop relying on quasi slave labor that’s sub par and pay qualified workers a living wage.
 
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IAmNotAlpharius said:
Maybe they should stop relying on quasi slave labor that’s sub par and pay qualified workers a living wage.
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That's an aviation industry problem, not just a Boeing problem.
This summer I worked at one of the largest MROs in the country, and they only just recently started certified mechanics at $24 an hour (previously it was $20 an hour, and non certified people at $18 an hour)
For context, average mechanic starting pay is around $25-$27 an hour (and you can of course, to work for amazon fulfillment at $22 an hour starting)
There are just a lot of issues surrounding the aviation maintenance industry right now when it comes to pay and people.
I could go into more detail for any interested, but rest assured, this problem expands well beyond just Boeing
 
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Among Us Gaming said:
That's an aviation industry problem, not just a Boeing problem.
This summer I worked at one of the largest MROs in the country, and they only just recently started certified mechanics at $24 an hour (previously it was $20 an hour, and non certified people at $18 an hour)
For context, average mechanic starting pay is around $25-$27 an hour (and you can of course, to work for amazon fulfillment at $22 an hour starting)
There are just a lot of issues surrounding the aviation maintenance industry right now when it comes to pay and people.
I could go into more detail for any interested, but rest assured, this problem expands well beyond just Boeing
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A lot of industries are resisting inflation by relying on their already established work force. For instance I know a guy who owns a house on 50k a year and still has money to spend on a boat, so he doesn't mind. He already has a home loan in place so who cares.

The already-established people are totally irreplaceable. Even if you tried to go into that role no matter the cost you would be so financially upside-down that you would literally die. You dont get the FHA handout from the government like the brown people do so you will become homeless.

They tried to replace them with niggers, ostensibly because they were at the right price point. Actually the whole situation is engineered by jews to be detrimental to white people. Pretty sure they honestly thought there would be no difference because they have holes in their brains from all the inbreeding.

This accrued a now-massive long term and unaccounted-for debt (an ever-present danger in accounting) which is now costing them billions due to losing the competency needed to execute their contracts. Some companies are harder hit than others. Boeing is at the point of taking out loans to keep the lights on in the hopes the contracts eventually become profitable. The government is trying to help by lowering performance requirements as much as possible but the situation is now turning upside-down regardless.
 
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The real sleeper issue is that while Professional jobs have not kept pace with inflation or the cost of entry (College and University) the trades and unkilled labor HAS. As was pointed out, you can make 20 dollars an hour being a wage slave in mister Bezos' cuck shack. The reason for this is that turnover at the lower end of the job market is very high, and with so many people trying to avoid being burger flippers and ditch diggers, the people willing to do this work, and do it competently actually are able to command pretty good wages compared to what these jobs offered 20 years ago. I was talking to a guy who was working temp job as a traffic flagger. You know who they are, those dudes who stand in the middle of the road with that sign that says "Slow" on one side and "Stop" on the other. 18 bucks an hour. Off the street. Alot of McJobs are also commding 13-14 an hour to START with guaranteed pay raises up to 16 to 18 an hour if you actually stick around for 2 years.

Its not quite there yet, but I have an idle thought that the low end wage economy is about to incentivize people to not pursue high powered salaried positions that require you to work 100 hours a week, go into ruinous debt for education and have to rent a shoebox in a bug hive city for 3500 dollars a month. Honestly if I was a zoomy zoom or a rising gen-Alpha, I wouldn't want to be a doctor or a lawyer. I would be looking to be a gas station manager, product supply chain distributor, short haul truck driver and so on. You don't need to go to college, the starting pay is great for someone just starting in life, some companies will even hire you in High School at the entry level and if you aren't living in a bug hive you will be able to save up enough to buy a property within 10 years.

We talk about how the brain drain is hurting existing industries. I am really worried about what the world will look like in 20 years due to critical professional jobs having no economic incentive for intelligent kids to enter because they are smart enough to realize its not worth the time and money. The Pajeet menace is going to be real, because they get fake degrees in India and are then brought over to fill vacant positions
 
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mindlessobserver said:
. You don't need to go to college
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I still suggest going to college just for a different perspective on life, I know people who despise reading in public school because they were exclusively taught by 70 year old women who were strict and only taught in the most boring way the most boring novels.

They feared taking even the 101 in college, but the teacher was so enthusiastic and taught in such a different way that it unlocked a love of not only reading but teaching for the guy. At 18 he went from advocating we murder all teachers and talking about blowing up schools to by 21 being near reddit level in love with teaching, especially English and he's been an English teacher ever since and deliberately chose a rural shit hole like the one he's from so other kids don't have to wait until college to learn that reading doesn't just mean the same bullshit books from Shakespeare and Twain everyone reads popcorn style in school.

Like as sad as it is, especially high schools have so little care and the teachers have to spend so much time dealing with non-whites that you don't get the type of learning that unlocks stuff in people.

Sure if you're from an Aryan part of the country where even the stupidest kids are learning US history from "a people's" you're probably going to not get as much from college. But I know plenty of people who didn't even have coding or cooking or workshop classes in high school who discovered how much they enjoyed it in college.

And let me tell you the trade school near us wasn't much better than the high school, you were basically an outcast if you didn't speak fluent Spanish and have a porn addiction.

Easily most kids nowadays, and if we're honest the last quarter century haven't been taught by "good" teachers. Because they're too busy dealing with immigrants or niggers or some other bullshit and rarely are taught from quality educators.

So the only time you'll see a teacher who wants to teach giving lessons to kids who want to learn is at college now.
 
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If you can afford the time and money, sure, great idea. Pants on head retarded if you're just coming out of high school, and not going in for medicine/law.
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Even those are a tough sell too. The legal profession is notoriously over saturated, with a ruinous cost of entry. Most lawyers barely break even unless they work like a fucking dog trying to rack up as many billable hours as possible. Most of them have to wage slave as associate attorneys doing menial paperwork. Its a vision of hell.
Doctors aren't much better tbqh. The barrier to entry is ruinous, and several years of your life has to be dedicated to slave labor as a "resident physician" in order to get your license. Its a real fucking racket the Hospitals put on with that one. Infinite free labor by idealistic young retards. Burn out is high, and the only thing keeping those kids going is the knowledge that they are already a quarter million dollars in debt to get to that point and there is no getting out of it unless they persevere.

Good luck starting a family in those conditions lol. Meanwhile the dude you see driving the Frito-Lay truck delivering potato chips to Grocery Stores and Gas stations in the area makes around $22 an hour, or 40k a year to start, with the only barrier to entry a 1 to 2 thousand dollar CDL certification course. Work is Monday through Friday, and if you finish your route early you get to go home and do whatever you want with your day. Its not glamorous, but its no hell either.
 
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If you can afford the time and money, sure, great idea. Pants on head retarded if you're just coming out of high school, and not going in for medicine/law.
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The worst part is, especially for aviation, that you can make stupid money if you work for the airlines as a mechanic
Lets take American for example
Starting pay is $36 an hour
Top out is in 5 years (roughly $50 an hour give or take)
As much overtime as you want
Holiday pay is 2.5x your base pay
Start with 2 weeks (i think) vacation

The biggest downside is that the airlines are basically all union so you have to put up with the cancerzone that is union workplaces.

Anywhere else? $25-$27 an hour. Regardless of how you feel about unions, with the pay difference its not even a choice
 
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As of a few years ago you could still learn quite a lot of valuable stuff getting a computer science degree but you would need to actually go out of your way to ask your actually smart teachers questions, one of the privileges being a student grants you is being able to bother your professors outside of class. IMO if you focus on just getting good grades it wont help you that much and grades should be a secondary goal.

You need to be thinking about what you want to do and then formulating questions about how to actually do those things. Like 'if i have a loop that gets called 20 times a second, what is a good way to make my thing behave coherently between frames' and then you might get into the actually practical side of state machines for instance
 
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A Boeing plea deal intended to resolve a case related to two fatal crashes of its planes has been rejected by a US judge.
The plane maker had originally agreed with the US government in July to plead guilty to one count of criminal fraud, face independent monitoring, and pay a $243m (£191m) fine.
However, Judge Reed O'Connor struck down the agreement on Thursday, saying it gave the court too little power over the monitoring process.
Family members of the 346 people killed in the crashes welcomed the ruling, describing the plea deal as a "get-out-of-jail-free card for Boeing".
The Department of Justice said it was reviewing the decision. Boeing did not immediately comment.
In his decision, Judge O'Connor said the government's previous years of overseeing the firm had "failed".
"At this point, the public interest requires the Court to step in," he wrote.
He said the proposed agreement did not require Boeing to comply with the monitor's recommendations and gave the company a say in selecting a candidate.
Those issues had also been raised by some families of those killed on the flights, who had criticised it as a "sweetheart" arrangement that did not properly hold the firm to account for the deaths.
Judge O'Connor's also focused on the deal's requirements that race be considered when hiring the monitor, which he said would undermine confidence in the pick.
He said he was concerned with the "shifting and contradictory explanations of how the plea agreement's diversity-and-inclusion provision will... operate".
"In a case of this magnitude, it is in the utmost interest of justice that the public is confident this monitor selection is done based solely on competency," he wrote.
"The parties' DEI efforts only serve to undermine this confidence in the government and Boeing's ethics and anti-fraud efforts."
Ike and Susan Riffel of California, who lost their two sons, Melvin and Bennett, said the judge had done "the right thing" in rejecting the proposed agreement.
"This deal didn't hold anyone accountable for the deaths of 346 people and did nothing to protect the flying public," they said , externalin a statement supplied by their lawyer.
They said they hoped the ruling would pave the way for "real justice".
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