Supreme Court Arguments Devolve Into Weird Panic Over Trans Kids’ Fertility - During Wednesday's oral arguments for U.S. v. Skrmetti, Brett Kavanaugh and an attorney for Tennessee talked about trans children’s future reproduction. Weird weird weird!

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There’s a reason Tim Walz’s now-famous “weird” line of attack against conservatives once resonated, and it’s that conservatives and so many of their core fights are deeply fucking weird! That was very much on display Wednesday morning at the Supreme Court when the Justices heard oral arguments for U.S. v. Skrmetti, a case involving trans children’s access to life-saving gender-affirming health care that challenges Tennessee’s current ban.

Some background: In March 2023, Tennessee Gov. Bill Lee (R) signed SB 1, which prohibits health care workers from providing gender-affirming health care to transgender youth, including puberty blockers and hormone replacement therapies. However, minors who aren’t trans are still allowed to receive these treatments for varying reasons. SB 1, which forced trans youth to end their care by March 31 of this year, also allows minors or their parents to sue trans health care providers if they’ve suffered “harm” following treatment. In response to SB 1, trans children and their families sued the state of Tennessee. They’re represented by attorneys for the Biden administration, Lambda Legal, and the ACLU — specifically, the ACLU’s Chase Strangio, who became the first known transgender person to argue before the Supreme Court on Wednesday.

In June 2023, a federal judge issued a decision that would have blocked SB 1, but Tennessee immediately filed a successful appeal at the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit. The plaintiffs appealed to the Supreme Court, which announced in June that they would hear the case. And now, here we are!

While Strangio and Solicitor General Elizabeth Prelogar argued SB 1 amounts to sex-based discrimination, at different points, conservatives tried to hurl the court down a junk science rabbit hole over how gender-affirming care could supposedly impact trans kids’ future fertility. First, Kavanaugh raised to Prelogar that gender-affirming care came with risks of fertility loss, which Prelogar pointed out is untrue: Puberty blockers don’t affect fertility, and even if that were the case, a wide range of medical treatments that do affect fertility aren’t banned.



“Critically, puberty blockers have no effect in and of themselves on fertility, so I don’t think that concern can justify the ban on puberty blockers, which is just pressing pause on someone’s puberty to give them more time to understand their identity… There are other treatments for adolescents that likewise affect puberty including… [for] intersex individuals who often have surgeries as infants that might permanently affect their fertility.” Prelogar also raised that even if impacts on future fertility were a concern for gender-affirming health services, that still doesn’t warrant a ban: “If you are concerned about fertility there are measures the state could undertake like requiring warnings, more informed counseling, trying to ensure there’s informed consent in this area” instead of sweepingly banning medical treatments that can be a lifeline for trans kids.

Later, Tennessee’s solicitor general, Matthew Rice, raised this same, baseless, fearmongering claim when he made his case on behalf of the state. Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson aptly pointed out that the case actually has nothing to do with speculation about fertility, but the discriminatory nature of policing some children but not others’ access to certain medical treatments.

I’m genuinely impressed at Prelogar and Jackson’s ability to maintain composure amid such astoundingly creepy conversations. Thinking about anyone’s fertility, let alone the fertility and future reproduction of children, is both invasive and perverted. And yet, the arguments from Kavanaugh and Rice closely reflect the gross talking points I’ve increasingly been exposed to while following terminally online right-wingers and transphobes like Elon Musk, as well as anti-abortion extremists, for years.

Musk, specifically, is famously obsessed with the birth rate — an obsession that’s manifested in supporting anti-abortion politicians and trying to impregnate every woman within a three-mile radius of him. In recent years, Musk has become one of the most visible anti-trans talking heads on the internet, even writing off his own trans daughter as “dead” to him for transitioning. In 2023, his ex-partner, Grimes, tried to explain Musk’s transphobia, explaining that he’s simply, benevolently concerned about the birth rate and survival of the human race. Ew.

Meanwhile, just as conservatives speculate about whether trans kids could still birth biological children, they’re also increasingly arguing that child rape victims should be denied abortion and forced to give birth. Anti-abortion Dr. Ingrid Skop testified before Congress in 2021 that child rape victims as young as nine or 10 could safely give birth (false), and in May of this year, Texas appointed her to the state’s maternal mortality committee. In 2023, an Ohio anti-abortion leader testified before the state legislature in support of the state’s abortion ban, referring to a 10-year-old child rape victim as a “woman,” and insisting that “a woman’s body is designed to carry life.” One Texas-based anti-abortion leader proudly argued to the Washington Post in 2022 that 13-year-old rape victims make for “phenomenal” parents.

There is so, so much about the Skrmetti case that’s deeply upsetting — the dehumanization of trans kids, the risk this poses to gender-affirming care for trans people of all ages, or how Tennessee is invoking the Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health ruling as justification for SB 1. But on top of being infuriating, let’s not lose sight of how singularly fucking weird it is to be this fixated on trans children’s genitals and their “future fertility.”
 
Ha ha, it was also so "weird" when people thought forcible sterilization was wrong to do to people with disabilities. Why do you care about the fertility of strangers, WEIRDO PERVERTS? Just go along with it.

Progressives have always been the eugenics party.
 
There’s a reason Tim Walz’s now-famous “weird” line of attack against conservatives once resonated,
Is that why he not only lost, but lost his home county and almost lost his home state?


These people used to be against FGM, now they love it after a simple rebadge.
 
Is that why he not only lost, but lost his home county and almost lost his home state?


These people used to be against FGM, now they love it after a simple rebadge.
The military industrial complex and big pharma used to be two of the biggest boogeymen for democrats growing up. Now the welfare for the MIL (Ukraine) and big pharma (covid) is great! The correct people told them so.
 
How does someone get like this? To unquestioningly believe something as fundamentally ridiculous as "drugs that disrupt puberty - the process by which you become fertile - have no affect on fertility"?

No, seriously. Research needs to be done on what happens to the human brain to make them into literal NPCs who simply obey their programming, because it's genuinely terrifying watching an erstwhile human being behave like a single celled organism.
 
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"Ew, weirdo conservatives are worried about mutilating people at a young age with debilitating procedures, causing them to lose the opportunity to ever start a family in the future among other horrible effects, isn't that weird and awful, and also abortion, and also blah blah blah"

It's so tiring, just the typical antinatalist yet also ironically pro-pedophilia bullshit you only ever hear from the left about this topic.
 
Thinking about their fertility is weird but thinking about and actively supporting legal genital chopping with no age restrictions ISN’T weird?

Its not like biological reproduction is the cornerstone of nearly all species on the planet and despite our advancement of technology our brains, instincts and hormones are still wired to pursue it or anything. Even when you remove parts.

Also I just wanted to point out that the way they talk about children shows a lot about how their brain works (or doesn’t). They immediately assume that the “other side” is thinking about their genitals and not stuff like “if that was my kid, I would hope they could grow up and have children if they wanted to”.
 
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It's only "weird" if you don't consider the fact that children eventually become adults. And a lot of adults would like to have children at some point. Children don't stay children forever, so if you make a permanent decision for a child then that's going to affect a future adult. Why am I even having to explain this, you brainless fucking imbeciles?
 
This hearing must have seemed like a great idea, get it done and dusted during the twilight days of a friendly Biden administration. Trouble is, when you’re that in the weeds you don’t notice that your argument is, to put it charitably, weak. I guess as all this was lined up prior to Trump 2.0 nobody had considered that letting a ridiculous tiny chipmunk with a drawn on stach bang on about what is basically slicing, dicing and chemically castrating children would look a bit off to the normies.
The hearing has only just kicked off and it’s looking like an absolute clusterfuck. Expect ever higher concentrations of copium.
 
how gender-affirming care could supposedly impact trans kids’ future fertility. First, Kavanaugh raised to Prelogar that gender-affirming care came with risks of fertility loss
Even the conservatives are being too optimistic (while the Leftists are just flat out lying). It's not just that there's some possible, hard to quantify risk of loss of fertility. Every pre-pubescent kid put on puberty blockers permanently misses a big chunk of mental and physical development.

And every person of any age on the massive doses of cross-sex hormones required to give them cosmetic results is sterile. And whatever the odds of someone who didn't skip puberty (ie not the kids being affected by this law) seeing their fertility return if they stop the sterilizing chemical cocktail, they're certainly destroyed when they undergo surgical castration.

I guess as all this was lined up prior to Trump 2.0 nobody had considered that letting a ridiculous tiny chipmunk with a drawn on stach bang on about what is basically slicing, dicing and chemically castrating children would look a bit off to the normies.
I'll spam a clip again for any who've missed Kate "Chase" Strangio's horrifying voice, but it's truly mindblowing what a goblina they chose. If there's one thing the Left is good at, it's motte-and-bailey obfuscation (calling this butchery "care", "affirmation", and "life-saving"), so I would've expected some sweet, soft-spoken older lady to (sociopathically) garner sympathy. Instead they have a screeching activist showcasing the end game for people led down this path...I guess their echo chamber made them that delusional?

 
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Do we think there's much of a Constitutional or precedent rationale that would lead to a majority opinion against kids trooning out? I mean, parents sadly have the right to mutilate their sons' foreskins or poke holes through their daughters' ears. People don't really have total autonomy until the age of majority, so the parents have to make these decisions for them. I know SCOTUS justices aren't actually neutral, but they're supposed to make decisions based on constitutionality and legal precedent, so they'd mostly have to put ideology aside as much as is realistic. Is there much hope that even the right-leaning judges would have a solid legal argument against this? Just curious.
 
The military industrial complex and big pharma used to be two of the biggest boogeymen for democrats growing up. Now the welfare for the MIL (Ukraine) and big pharma (covid) is great! The correct people told them so.
This 100%. Night after night of gay colored terror warnings on the TV. All the rants about Bush being the worst thing since Hitler (not realizing we wouldn't be in this post-modern situation had he won), not to trust the TV, and not to trust the State... But as soon as 2008 rolled around they shut their nigger-worshipping mouths when the half-nigger got in as puppet (despite doing the same things as Bush). Then bafflingly again, when Trump got in suddenly Bush isn't bad anymore and Trump is le worst thing since the Banker-Belling Moustache Man. Some of the worst double standards I have noticed in my life have come from Leftists over the last 5 years. The sheer State worship and dick sucking from wannabe hippies, disgusting retardation, and very self-sabotaging.
If it's so "life saving" how come young people 15 years ago didn't need it?
"Because it takes 20 years to indoctrinate a new generation into communism" - Yuri B.
 
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Do we think there's much of a Constitutional or precedent rationale that would lead to a majority opinion against kids trooning out? I mean, parents sadly have the right to mutilate their sons' foreskins or poke holes through their daughters' ears. People don't really have total autonomy until the age of majority, so the parents have to make these decisions for them. I know SCOTUS justices aren't actually neutral, but they're supposed to make decisions based on constitutionality and legal precedent, so they'd mostly have to put ideology aside as much as is realistic. Is there much hope that even the right-leaning judges would have a solid legal argument against this? Just curious.
The question is not does the constitution ban this, but does the constitution forbid states banning it. This ruling doesn't decide if docs can cut off a mentally ill girl's breasts or castrate that one weird boy, but instead decides if Tennessee can ban it.

It is generally accepted that states can ban certain medical procedures, no one is claiming a state cannot forbid lobotomies or fgm. The pro-trans side is claiming that it is unconstitutional sex based discrimination for the state to allow giving testosterone to a boy with deficiencies but ban a trans boy who wants to start hormone therapy. With a secondary argument of states must defer to non-governmental professional organization like the APA (this one I just consider window dressing) and not ban procedures they still support.

This is clearly a tortured interpretation of the constitution, but bares a resemblance to the argument used for gay marriage. Still, I think it is too far for any of the conservative justices to cross over.
 
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