Supreme Court Arguments Devolve Into Weird Panic Over Trans Kids’ Fertility - During Wednesday's oral arguments for U.S. v. Skrmetti, Brett Kavanaugh and an attorney for Tennessee talked about trans children’s future reproduction. Weird weird weird!

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There’s a reason Tim Walz’s now-famous “weird” line of attack against conservatives once resonated, and it’s that conservatives and so many of their core fights are deeply fucking weird! That was very much on display Wednesday morning at the Supreme Court when the Justices heard oral arguments for U.S. v. Skrmetti, a case involving trans children’s access to life-saving gender-affirming health care that challenges Tennessee’s current ban.

Some background: In March 2023, Tennessee Gov. Bill Lee (R) signed SB 1, which prohibits health care workers from providing gender-affirming health care to transgender youth, including puberty blockers and hormone replacement therapies. However, minors who aren’t trans are still allowed to receive these treatments for varying reasons. SB 1, which forced trans youth to end their care by March 31 of this year, also allows minors or their parents to sue trans health care providers if they’ve suffered “harm” following treatment. In response to SB 1, trans children and their families sued the state of Tennessee. They’re represented by attorneys for the Biden administration, Lambda Legal, and the ACLU — specifically, the ACLU’s Chase Strangio, who became the first known transgender person to argue before the Supreme Court on Wednesday.

In June 2023, a federal judge issued a decision that would have blocked SB 1, but Tennessee immediately filed a successful appeal at the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit. The plaintiffs appealed to the Supreme Court, which announced in June that they would hear the case. And now, here we are!

While Strangio and Solicitor General Elizabeth Prelogar argued SB 1 amounts to sex-based discrimination, at different points, conservatives tried to hurl the court down a junk science rabbit hole over how gender-affirming care could supposedly impact trans kids’ future fertility. First, Kavanaugh raised to Prelogar that gender-affirming care came with risks of fertility loss, which Prelogar pointed out is untrue: Puberty blockers don’t affect fertility, and even if that were the case, a wide range of medical treatments that do affect fertility aren’t banned.



“Critically, puberty blockers have no effect in and of themselves on fertility, so I don’t think that concern can justify the ban on puberty blockers, which is just pressing pause on someone’s puberty to give them more time to understand their identity… There are other treatments for adolescents that likewise affect puberty including… [for] intersex individuals who often have surgeries as infants that might permanently affect their fertility.” Prelogar also raised that even if impacts on future fertility were a concern for gender-affirming health services, that still doesn’t warrant a ban: “If you are concerned about fertility there are measures the state could undertake like requiring warnings, more informed counseling, trying to ensure there’s informed consent in this area” instead of sweepingly banning medical treatments that can be a lifeline for trans kids.

Later, Tennessee’s solicitor general, Matthew Rice, raised this same, baseless, fearmongering claim when he made his case on behalf of the state. Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson aptly pointed out that the case actually has nothing to do with speculation about fertility, but the discriminatory nature of policing some children but not others’ access to certain medical treatments.

I’m genuinely impressed at Prelogar and Jackson’s ability to maintain composure amid such astoundingly creepy conversations. Thinking about anyone’s fertility, let alone the fertility and future reproduction of children, is both invasive and perverted. And yet, the arguments from Kavanaugh and Rice closely reflect the gross talking points I’ve increasingly been exposed to while following terminally online right-wingers and transphobes like Elon Musk, as well as anti-abortion extremists, for years.

Musk, specifically, is famously obsessed with the birth rate — an obsession that’s manifested in supporting anti-abortion politicians and trying to impregnate every woman within a three-mile radius of him. In recent years, Musk has become one of the most visible anti-trans talking heads on the internet, even writing off his own trans daughter as “dead” to him for transitioning. In 2023, his ex-partner, Grimes, tried to explain Musk’s transphobia, explaining that he’s simply, benevolently concerned about the birth rate and survival of the human race. Ew.

Meanwhile, just as conservatives speculate about whether trans kids could still birth biological children, they’re also increasingly arguing that child rape victims should be denied abortion and forced to give birth. Anti-abortion Dr. Ingrid Skop testified before Congress in 2021 that child rape victims as young as nine or 10 could safely give birth (false), and in May of this year, Texas appointed her to the state’s maternal mortality committee. In 2023, an Ohio anti-abortion leader testified before the state legislature in support of the state’s abortion ban, referring to a 10-year-old child rape victim as a “woman,” and insisting that “a woman’s body is designed to carry life.” One Texas-based anti-abortion leader proudly argued to the Washington Post in 2022 that 13-year-old rape victims make for “phenomenal” parents.

There is so, so much about the Skrmetti case that’s deeply upsetting — the dehumanization of trans kids, the risk this poses to gender-affirming care for trans people of all ages, or how Tennessee is invoking the Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health ruling as justification for SB 1. But on top of being infuriating, let’s not lose sight of how singularly fucking weird it is to be this fixated on trans children’s genitals and their “future fertility.”
 
How does someone get like this? To unquestioningly believe something as fundamentally ridiculous as "drugs that disrupt puberty - the process by which you become fertile - have no affect on fertility"?

No, seriously. Research needs to be done on what happens to the human brain to make them into literal NPCs who simply obey their programming, because it's genuinely terrifying watching an erstwhile human being behave like a single celled organism.
Oblivion NPCs are more intelligent than this.
 
However, minors who aren’t trans are still allowed to receive these treatments for varying reasons.
Which vary drastically in how and why they are done. They are given to children who have a deficit or problem to put the situation back to normal, not to take a normal child and mutilate them chemically. It’s acceptable to take out an eye if it’s the only way to cure childhood retinoblastoma. It wouldn’t be acceptable to take out a healthy eye to cure visual dysphoria. Argument dismissed
Critically, puberty blockers have no effect in and of themselves on fertility
Incorrect.
There are other treatments for adolescents that likewise affect puberty including… [for] intersex individuals who often have surgeries as infants that might permanently affect their fertility.”
Intersex patients often require emergency surgery at birth to correct defects which prevent correct voiding of bowel or bladder. Things like an imperforate anus. NO unnecessary surgery is recommended for these patients these days thank goodness. The route is to fix anything that will otherwise kill or injure and leave the rest to mature. So not an argument. Also intersex disorders have nothing to do with being trans
If you are concerned about fertility there are measures the state could undertake like requiring warnings, more informed counseling, trying to ensure there’s informed consent in this area”
What good would that do? Are you saying there’s insufficient consent and information given?
Thinking about anyone’s fertility, let alone the fertility and future reproduction of children, is both invasive and perverted
It’s good practice of a surgical intervention will affect fertility. If a 15 year old boy is about to undergo cancer treatment you should be offering sperm freezing. If a four year is undergoing treatment he’s at too early a tanner stage to have mature sperm so he’s out of luck. Chemically neutering young kids will sterilise them and needs to be talked about
No, seriously. Research needs to be done on what happens to the human brain to make them into literal NPCs who simply obey their programming, because it's genuinely terrifying watching an erstwhile human being behave like a single celled organism.
I’m sure it’s already been done and what you’re seeing it is being used.
 
While Strangio and Solicitor General Elizabeth Prelogar argued SB 1 amounts to sex-based discrimination, at different points, conservatives tried to hurl the court down a junk science rabbit hole over how gender-affirming care could supposedly impact trans kids’ future fertility. First, Kavanaugh raised to Prelogar that gender-affirming care came with risks of fertility loss, which Prelogar pointed out is untrue: Puberty blockers don’t affect fertility, and even if that were the case, a wide range of medical treatments that do affect fertility aren’t banned.

“Critically, puberty blockers have no effect in and of themselves on fertility, so I don’t think that concern can justify the ban on puberty blockers, which is just pressing pause on someone’s puberty to give them more time to understand their identity…
The fuck is this retard talking about? The first statement is a provable, blatant lie and the second one is a nonsensical argument that goes well beyond even pointing out its arguing apples and oranges

I’m genuinely impressed at Prelogar and Jackson’s ability to maintain composure amid such astoundingly creepy conversations. Thinking about anyone’s fertility, let alone the fertility and future reproduction of children, is both invasive and perverted. And yet, the arguments from Kavanaugh and Rice closely reflect the gross talking points I’ve increasingly been exposed to while following terminally online right-wingers and transphobes like Elon Musk, as well as anti-abortion extremists, for years.
This is textbook projection. Nobody is creepier toward children and obsessed with childrens sexuality more than troons. They are pointing out legitimate future health concerns for 'treatments' that have long term impacts on kids health as they age

Agent Abe Caprine said:
Oblivion NPCs are more intelligent than this.
I used to be an adventurer man like you... until I took an arrow in the knee cock
 
Seems like the burden of proof should be on people pushing for trooning out kids.

Supreme Court Justice: "Some of these interventions lead to permanent sterility."

String Cheesio: "No."

Bring forward a hundred adults age 20-30 who were trooned out as kids and see how many of them have healthy children of their own, correlating of course against a non-trooned-out control group of the same age.

If there's no difference, then hey, Mr. Justice is wrong. If the control group has 50 healthy children of their own and the troon group has 3 kids who were born with intersex genitalia, then holy shit.

This information exists, but the people who have access to it don't want to put it out there.

Makes you think.
 
"Weird" never resonated. It was immediately dunked on for being hypocritical and fake.
That astroturfed shit backfired at light speed and now they don't have the billions to shill it anymore.

They just can't use the word at all.
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Her e-thottery is just as low-effort as her writing. Cute dress, it's nice for the breaker box and titty light on the ceiling to also make an appearance.
You can’t say that about her! No really, she limits all comments to her social media to people she follows so no one can invade her hugbox. As a result all her musings get like two responses to them lol
 
As a result all her musings get like two responses to them lol
I'm posting the comments on this article, because this shit is getting weird.

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3 I'm assuming black women have the usual rejoinder, that the interest in fertility for trans kids is hypocrisy because conservatives scorn abortion and natal care, especially for black women, "the backbone of the nation" (what is it with this), but left unsaid is that black women are more likely to be poor, and are genetically far more prone to fatal childbirth complications. I expect that the black statistic for childbirth mortality will be brought up in arguments about conservative interest in trans fertility if it's raised in future.
 
Because puberty blockers are intended for a very specific edge case where people way too young start suddenly going through it, and you block that until puberty would normally start.

I think even this needs to be stamped out, to be honest. Lupron was developed for end-stage prostate cancer, and that development must have been very expensive, because AbbVie has been pushing it on successive new classes of victims ever since. First it was women with endometriosis, but that got bogged down in all the lawsuits from women whose lives were ruined, so they switched to pushing it for "blocking puberty" instead.

Even with legit precocious puberty, I can't see how "developing early" is worse than "permanently lowered IQ and fucked up bones." One is bad, the other is horrific. Just salt the earth on this fucking drug and throw anyone who pushed it on kids into prison.
 
The author looks like every bay area asian girl who says she isn't racist or anti-asian but only ever dates white guys six foot two or taller. "It's just a preference"

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Also the salt when the supreme court allows SB1 to stand will be great.
She is a confirmed Californian Bay Area Asian chick living in New York, probably not unassisted.
 
What do the people at Jezebel care about children's genitals being mutilated and their never being able to have a sexual relationship that is fulfilling to them

The people at Jezebel only care if other people's mouths and buttholes are capable of being penetrated
 
I think even this needs to be stamped out, to be honest. Lupron was developed for end-stage prostate cancer, and that development must have been very expensive, because AbbVie has been pushing it on successive new classes of victims ever since. First it was women with endometriosis, but that got bogged down in all the lawsuits from women whose lives were ruined, so they switched to pushing it for "blocking puberty" instead.

Even with legit precocious puberty, I can't see how "developing early" is worse than "permanently lowered IQ and fucked up bones." One is bad, the other is horrific. Just salt the earth on this fucking drug and throw anyone who pushed it on kids into prison.
I don't think it's crazy talk to suppress menstruation in a kindergarten girl. Early puberty can fuck you up, physically and mentally. I can see why slowing that down would make sense.

But in that case, I'd assume there are tons of endocrinology visits and lab tests to make sure the girl doesn't have ovarian cancer or some shit, and then they ease off the brakes a bit around age 9.

Powerlevel but I remember them thinking I was a little early and me going through bone scans and shit to make sure I wasn't really, really sick. I turned out not to be sick and they wound up not intervening, but there was a scare right around the time I hit puberty.

Puberty blockers as prescribed to "trans" kids aren't "putting on the brakes," they're putting the car up on blocks and letting the weeds grow through the engine compartment. Then painting the thing purple and turning it into a pot garden and calling it a success.

(And if thinking about the consequences of early puberty in girl children doesn't float your boat, imagine a boy going through full-on horndog puberty in kindergarten. Even a generally nice kid would be a menace to his same-age peers due to lack of impulse control. A shifty kid could lay an absolute trail of destruction. I'd block that to preserve the innocence of kids around him.)
 
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