Disney General - The saddest fandom on Earth

[Gingervitis]

And this is why they hate how popular anime is and want to fuck it up. They chose to take themselves out of the animation market only to get surprisedpikachuface.jpg when an alternative overtook them.

That explains all the left wingers trying to sanitize anime and the right wingers that think anime is degenerate.

 

[Miriam Margoyles]

Putting aside all the lame girlboss "It's time to restore our kingdom!" shit, with Snow White leading the mob in revolt on the Evil Queen's castle, can we address the best bit of the original - that being how needlessly fucking scary it is - and how weaksauce and safe and lame and gay the remake is by comparison.

Because despite the cute creatures and funny dwarves singing jolly songs, there is a definite sinister air hanging over most of the original Snow White, and when it really gets going, it suddenly shifts gears and becomes a horror film.

Unironically, this scene is composed like something out of a classic Hollywood horror. There's a bit of Mr. Hyde in there. The intensity of it, the volume of the music as it builds to a crescendo, the way the queen's hair flails ghostily as it turns white, how her hands gnarl and curl into the witch's clawlike, arthritic talons, as she plaintively cries, "Look! My hands!" and the lightning flashes, revealing for just a second, her skeleton underneath. The rasping croak, "My voice... My voiiiiice..." And then the big reveal of her new face, all leering and toothy, with a wart on its big hooked nose.

That's some nightmarish fucking shit for a movie aimed at children. I had to be taken out of Snow White by my parents as a small Miriam, because that scene was just too much. But it's something I will always remember. Those images are burned into my brain forever. It's iconic. I love the witch from Snow White now, precisely because she was so frightening. She probably had a role in making me the sort of person I am today, with my love of horror and the macabre. Kindertrauma, and all that. I don't think any Disney villain has been so unreservedly scary as the witch in the original Snow White.

This new witch? She's rubbish. She isn't frightening and there's no edge to her at all. And I am almost convinced the reason she doesn't have the iconic big hooked nose with a wart on it is because Gal Gadot is Israeli and some fucking California busybody went "Oh, um, ackshually, sweaty, we better change that, because it might have anti-Semitic connotations..."



When they made the Snow White ride at Disneyland, back in the '50s, that shit was a ghost train and there was a reason for that! They have since, of course, removed that ride from the park and replaced it with a considerably less dark, much more family friendly kiddie-coaster through the seven dwarves' mine, which I'm told is very popular with parkgoers, but is just so lame by comparison. The witch does feature, but she's right at the end and if you blink, you'll miss her.

 

[brocktherock]

Trailer for Snow White is here, it looks awful.

I despise that every trailer since Inception, sounds like Inception. Does a trailer for the fairy tale of Snow fucking White need high octane blaring horns? The music tells me I should get ready to have my mind blown for whatever modern twist they added but the trailer shows fucking nothing. CGI and her dress looks hilariously cheap, the autotune is really strong. This is probably going to be Maleficent 2.0 where the King went out for cigarettes on his daughter and negged the Queen into being an evil vain bitch.

 

[Vect]

What strikes me in particular is how little Disney seems to care, it's quite telling. This is the Disney first animated feature film being remade and it feels like they don't care, they seem to be giving it the same treatment as the rest. Half-ass it, throw out some trailers, and cram an ethnic in there to deflect any criticism into racism, and get black people on Twitter to call people racist for not liking it. Lilo and Stitch is getting more love it seems, even that feels the same way with toned down action and execution. There really seems to be a competency crisis in animation, and Disney.

Sorry, I missed your comment - there's numerous accounts of how these latter films are being put together:, you can look them up on Google - it's not that they don't care, it's that they're just crushed by mismanagement. The studios executives are insecure, and have mandates to fill and hounded by PR, the directors are working with shoddy, unchecked scripts written in sections by different people who likely haven't spoken to each other, nor are they always experienced to film with visual effects in mind, so what happens is they get the animators to constantly redesign everything on the fly usually with outrageous deadlines, until they get want they want or scrap it. Disney knows how to animate, so if it looks bad, it was likely they were worked half to death. Then the executives interfere, worried about test screenings or God knows, so they demand reshoots, ADR, more animation, some poor editor has to fulfill a hundred demands while making a coherent film then by the time everything's done you just get a shoddy mess that cost the GDP of a Third World country.

And then, if we're specific to Aladdin, it comes under the microscope of the usual joyless nobs the executives were afraid of - asking if it was culturally sensitive, what did Middle Easterners think of it (you know, broad minded), the interplay of wealth and privilege, if there was cultural appropriation, if it was Middle Eastern enough (oh yes that's an article), and at that point, nobody involved ever wants to make movies ever again.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

I don't think any Disney villain has been so unreservedly scary as the witch in the original Snow White.

I can think of one other.

The fucker is the only Disney villain who won.

 

[Miriam Margoyles]

This is the thing, Disney has this assumed reputation for being happy and cute and family friendly, and I think the increasing corporate focus on 'the Disney brand' has rather cemented that in people's heads, but people seem to forget that, when it was appropriate, Disney could have an edge. Some of those classic Disney films present really powerful, frightening imagery, especially for an audience mostly comprised of children.

You just don't get that nowadays. I think the last Disney property that had imagery that dark that I can remember would be, I dunno, something like the Pirates of the Caribbean trilogy? There's some dark stuff in those.

But then, arguably, I don't know if the Pirates movies are especially a franchise for children, per se. They seem to skew a little bit more adult than most Disney fare.

 

[Coo Coo Bird]

I can think of one other.
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The fucker is the only Disney villain who won.

It's funny to think that the most faithful version of Sleepy Hollow that captures the ambiguity of the original story is the Disney musical cartoon with Bing Crosby.

 

[Your Girlfriend's Dad]

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The dwarfs look terrifying. The reason for this is that their features are exaggerated while the eyes are human sized and that makes them look creepy. They should have make the eyes fit the rest of the head and body.

Like three of these dwarves look like photo edits of Arthur Morgan that you'll see in the thumbnails of RDR2 Youtube videos.

 

[Miriam Margoyles]

I just can't get over the idea of Snow White as this rabble rousing, revolutionary hero of the people, standing up to the barred pikes of the Queen's Guard without fear. Because if there's one thing I loved about the original Snow White, it was when she was literally Che Guevara.

 

[The Noticer]

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>a jew wants you to think that THIS is the fairest of them all

I have a feeling from the trailer that they intend to redefine "fair" to mean "just", rather than in reference to her skin tone, and that will be the impetus for her usurping the queen, because "The people deserve kindness!"

 

[Gog & Magog]

Many cartoons in the 2000s were mean spirited. Lilo & Stitch was cruel as fuck

What? Lilo and Stitch isn't a mean spirited film. What you talking about?

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

What? Lilo and Stitch isn't a mean spirited film. What you talking about?

I think he means it's dark, because I agree it's not necessarily mean-spirited, more so that the characters actually go through some nasty shit before their happy ending.

 

[The Nothingness]

You think Disney will give The Princess and the Frog the live action remake treatment, complete with a new backstory of Dr. Facilier being the son of former slaves to make him a "misunderstood" villain? Or because that film basically ended Disney using 2D animation it'll be locked away with The Black Cauldron?

 

[Gog & Magog]

You think Disney will give The Princess and the Frog the live action remake treatment, complete with a new backstory of Dr. Facilier being the son of former slaves to make him a "misunderstood" villain? Or because that film basically ended Disney using 2D animation it'll be locked away with The Black Cauldron?

For some reason Southern styled racism and segregation apparently doesn't exist in that film's world. I don't know if they'd want to revisit.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

Because it's a kids' magical fantasy movie, Southern styled racism and segregation apparently doesn't exist in that film's world.

FTFY.

 

[Gog & Magog]

FTFY.

yeah but it would have been a funnier movie if they had
imagine a guy being lynched whilst the funny little animal characters are all singing and shit

 

[Activelo]

For some reason Southern styled racism and segregation apparently doesn't exist in that film's world. I don't know if they'd want to revisit.

FTFY.

That’s only partly true. Segregation wasn’t a thing in the movie, but Tiana gets condescendingly told early on after she gets outbid for the restaurant that she would have trouble with it because of her “background.” The racism is there, just way less pronounced.

 

[The Nothingness]

That’s only partly true. Segregation wasn’t a thing in the movie, but Tiana gets condescendingly told early on after she gets outbid for the restaurant that she would have trouble with it because of her “background.” The racism is there, just way less pronounced.

And you had Dr. Facilier bringing up how the "fat cats in their fancy cars don't give you so much as a sideways glance." You can imply he was referring to the rich whites not even acknowledging him because of his skin color.

 

[Jonah Hill poster]

When you have a Snow White trailer that makes the Evil Queen look appealing, but have to “reimagine“ it in a way that makes the hero look less appealing, this is proof that fairy tales from back then were meant to be fictional and not used as an excuse to destroy reality.

It will be funny if this bombs spectacularly, but concerning about the message this sends to our young girls who want to get away from the feel good, #girlboss mantras that do nothing but offer no real life or meaning to the world at large.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

Chicken Little was okay.

It suffered hard from rewrites and a gender-flip due to Eisner. For some reason Eisner believed a daddy-daughter plot about a girl making her dad proud was something boys relate to more? An entire plotline about a camp got scrapped for baseball to make the story more for boys.