Eastern European art schools are on another fucking level.
The weekend art project that American art students would cry about being "too hard" and "unfair" is due every morning in these countries. If you need help, the instructor says "figure it out or fail". It's brutal.
American art professors do a lot of hand holding, most try to be as lenient as possible, and students still whine that they "don't have a social life" because they had a whole paintings due monday, that HAD to be done with actual paint, and they only had a week to do it. A lot of the time it feels like the bigger the American art program, the more of a daycare it is.
In Ukrainian art schools, they expect you to make a complete and refined painting in just a few hours. You get assigned one every day. The trick is to never make mistakes, and build up your painting flawlessly from the very beginning. To do this, you train endlessly... and you're still expected to have creativity.
Art school in that part of the world is taken as seriously as training to be an Olympian.
Why can't any of these hacks make an actual honest-to-god attempt at a magical girl show? Why does it HAVE to be a subversion/deconstruction/whatever the fuck? Are they so creatively bankrupt that they can't even try to put their own spin on the genre that doesn't seem like it's oozing with contempt?
Whatever the answer is they can just just stew in the fact none of their magical girl shows will ever be Madoka Magica.
They think poking fun of themselves for being so "lel quirky" as teenagers makes for entertainment. Problem is they can't actually have fun doing it because of "plights" they need to preach to the choir about.
That shitty Pen Pals at least looked like it wanted to be a straightforward magical girls series with token minorities, but who knows at this point because lol it's not going to come out ever.
At this point, you have to assume that it’s not a lack of creativity, and more that they just fucking hate the concept, the genre, and that it’s popular. It’s like high fantasy nowadays. We can’t have a Tolkien or a Lewis anymore, he have to have Martin, REALLY modern DnD, or whatever the fuck Rings of Power is. None of these products are based on love for the genre, its based on despising the source materials that made the genres great. The fact that their shows will never be like Madoka or Sailer Moon, nor will it be as long lasting and beloved to many as those shows are (And this is me putting on a tin foil hat), is likely another reason they’re trying to fucking go scorched earth on it. If they can’t be great, they’ll taint everything related to it. Now, it most likely won’t work, because the properties that defined the Genres are long lasting, but they’ll do their damndest to try.
None of these products are based on love for the genre, its based on despising the source materials that made the genres great. The fact that their shows will never be like Madoka or Sailer Moon, nor will it be as long lasting and beloved to many as those shows are (And this is me putting on a tin foil hat), is likely another reason they’re trying to fucking go scorched earth on it. If they can’t be great, they’ll taint everything related to it.
Even though I just couldn't get into it, Star vs. was likely the last proper homage to the magical girl genre and it failed to stick the landing at the end of the day. It'll probably still be remembered more fondly than everything that came after it, though.
Even though I just couldn't get into it, Star vs. was likely the last proper homage to the magical girl genre and it failed to stick the landing at the end of the day. It'll probably still be remembered more fondly than everything that came after it, though.
That I can agree on, but Star Vs. might be the exception that proved the rule, and even then the show itself had issues in season 3&4 and honestly, rewatching the ending recently, it wasn’t even that bad. (Then again we’ve had 5 years of shit to come afterwards so this may be a result of things getting worse, propping up a something bad, then something that was good, but comparatively bad for its time.)
I wish someone would go up to western cartoonists and tell them hey, actually, it's ok if you leave the magical girl genre alone.
Like, it's fine. It hasn't been a thing in Japan for so long that the magical girl shows that do come out now are recursive parodies, like with isekais.
The genre's been milked so fucking dry that all that's left is winking-to-the-audience irony poisoned bottom of the barrel slop. There is literally nothing new you can do with it. Not even add minorities, fucking WITCH and Winx Club already did that like twenty years ago.
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Why can't any of these hacks make an actual honest-to-god attempt at a magical girl show? Why does it HAVE to be a subversion/deconstruction/whatever the fuck? Are they so creatively bankrupt that they can't even try to put their own spin on the genre that doesn't seem like it's oozing with contempt?
Because they still think liking Sailor Moon is a unique niche thing. It's not the early 2000s....Everyone and their great grandparents know about anime. It's not some special interest anymore. Its still surreal to see old people in public wearing anime shirts casually.
These people read tvtropes and think adding references to other shows is a way to be cool online.
Also self depreciation in children cartoons is le funneh, le based, and totally relatable!!! Its like they wanna force a meme into existence. Their audience is made to appeal to like 50 people on X/Twitter while the job was to make a children's cartoon.
This is why shows are getting cancelled left and right because these morons are making cartoons for the wrong audience.
Researching some of the staff of we baby bears, I realized that some of them or are amateurs who never worked on a cartoon on their lives, or people who actually knows how to draw and actually worked on other shows, overshadowed by the bad art direction/translation, I refuse to say its because of the bad budget because shows with lower budgets gets even better results
If it's a cali production, I already know where it went wrong.
If you get any work done, you do it in spite of these people. Think of them as that kid that snitches on the principal, but now a full length grown child. You cannot tell them hey, this shot fucking sucks, do it over because that is racist and sexist and they will cry to the HR office.
Why can't any of these hacks make an actual honest-to-god attempt at a magical girl show? Why does it HAVE to be a subversion/deconstruction/whatever the fuck? Are they so creatively bankrupt that they can't even try to put their own spin on the genre that doesn't seem like it's oozing with contempt?
Whatever the answer is they can just just stew in the fact none of their magical girl shows will ever be Madoka Magica.
Western cartoonists get easily asshurt over anime, especially since the pokemon rage when they were getting passed over for badly dubbed slob. This extends to art schools where teachers can spurg over anime. (I have not been to art school proper myself but I can easily see it.)
This is also an extension of the tumblr-era Ironic Anime Enjoyment, where the artists making these shows got their start. They only know the bad dubs they watched as children and maybe something post-2010s. I will admit, I am not the biggest magic girl fan (only watched moon & Rayearth (yes even the grimdark OVA)). However, all I see them reference is Sailor Moon with maybe some Card Captors aesthetics thrown in. They could never make the real thing because they don't actually understand the genre. They only watch anime to riff on it or for the pretty pictures. It is part of the reason most of the call backs to it are just visuals instead of how the average anime constructs its plot and characters.
Eastern European art schools are on another fucking level.
The weekend art project that American art students would cry about being "too hard" and "unfair" is due every morning in these countries. If you need help, the instructor says "figure it out or fail". It's brutal.
American art professors do a lot of hand holding, most try to be as lenient as possible, and students still whine that they "don't have a social life" because they had a whole paintings due monday, that HAD to be done with actual paint, and they only had a week to do it. A lot of the time it feels like the bigger the American art program, the more of a daycare it is.
In Ukrainian art schools, they expect you to make a complete and refined painting in just a few hours. You get assigned one every day. The trick is to never make mistakes, and build up your painting flawlessly from the very beginning. To do this, you train endlessly... and you're still expected to have creativity.
Art school in that part of the world is taken as seriously as training to be an Olympian.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks there's a difference in talent between those who first learned to draw traditionally vs. learned to draw digitally. Digital art can absolutely be fantastic, but it just feels different if the artist doesn't understand the cores of traditional. Honestly is just hard to prove without sounding pretentious.
Digital art can absolutely be fantastic, but it just feels different if the artist doesn't understand the cores of traditional. Honestly is just hard to prove without sounding pretentious.
CalArts is responsible for making this pretentious, since most of the “memorable cartoons of the 2010’s (Gravity Falls, Steven Universe, O.K. K.O, etc.) have been repetitively creating this slop and making it more common than actually forgettable.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks there's a difference in talent between those who first learned to draw traditionally vs. learned to draw digitally. Digital art can absolutely be fantastic, but it just feels different if the artist doesn't understand the cores of traditional. Honestly is just hard to prove without sounding pretentious.
CalArts is responsible for making this pretentious, since most of the “memorable cartoons of the 2010’s (Gravity Falls, Steven Universe, O.K. K.O, etc.) have been repetitively creating this slop and making it more common than actually forgettable.
If anything, the sudden need to make cartoons cheaper and cheaper overtime has just led to animators having to take shortcuts whenever possible. It kinda reminds me about how during the 60s when cartoons were starting to be made for TV, Hanna-Barbera pioneered the more stilted style where nearly every character had a collar.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks there's a difference in talent between those who first learned to draw traditionally vs. learned to draw digitally. Digital art can absolutely be fantastic, but it just feels different if the artist doesn't understand the cores of traditional. Honestly is just hard to prove without sounding pretentious.
With physical media, you pay for every mistake - both literally and figuratively. With digital, you can just ctrl+z. So the physical medium emphasizes discipline of hand gestures, economy of lines etc in a way that gets deeper into the bones. You know this of course - but it may be a less pompous way of getting the idea across to people who do not.
Most authors report the same. If they hand-write a story, they deliberate a lot more about what words they'll put down - simply because it is more tedious and their hands will cramp more quickly. But if they're using a Word Processor, they'll instead spew out and edit the draft into something workable.
As the saying goes: 'First you get good. Then you get fast.'
CalArts is responsible for making this pretentious, since most of the “memorable cartoons of the 2010’s (Gravity Falls, Steven Universe, O.K. K.O, etc.) have been repetitively creating this slop and making it more common than actually forgettable.
i didnt realize the School of Visual Arts New York City was in california and not new york
why do people always get this one wrong? least research what your talking about before typing something up
i didnt realize the School of Visual Arts New York City was in california and not new york
why do people always get this one wrong? least research what your talking about before typing something up
Those memorable cartoons of the 2010’s also had supporters and allies that go to these art-adjacent schools that were taught how to draw this basic art style that has been repetitively taught for over a decade now.
Whether or not the school is in a big city based area does not change the point at large.
i didnt realize the School of Visual Arts New York City was in california and not new york
why do people always get this one wrong? least research what your talking about before typing something up
I thought I would crosspost this exchange between myself and The Skeksis Emperor in the Philosophy Tube thread. It deals with the hideous trend of trannies populating the animation industries. Unlike many other things trannies ruin, they are not new to the industry, but a common thread throughout its history. Hope you guys find it funny:
Mick Ignis (the troon in the bottom right) lives in Los Angeles. So does Vivienne Medrano, Ignis’s boss - he’s a voice actor and transgender sensitivity consultant at her animation studio.
A lot of animators are down there, actually. Ignis himself worked on Moral Orel. California (specifically Burbank and CalArts) is home to many animators and wanna-be animators. Given that Olly is (1) a horrifying troon and (2) Bri’ish, voice acting might be his only viable career option as an actor.
And he’s far from the only troon to do this. Trannies love voice acting, because it’s acting without the body, or because they’re autists for whom the word is the only means of communication. Here’s some examples, both professional, amateur, and somewhere in-between:
Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you with a headstone marked with your birth name, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a man is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a skeleton that is unmistakably male.
This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.
Cain Logan Eugene McKee, AKA “Kayleigh Grace Clementine” McKee, a 6’11/2”troon who defies tranny convention of stealing a woman’s name by stealing the stage-name of a man. He admits to copying Thomas James Gabel AKA “Laura Jane Grace”, a domestic abuser who came out after his poor wife was saddled with him. Currently dating another troon (shown below on the left of the first photo) because no normal woman or man would fuck either of these freaks. His girlfriend (male) uses it/its pronouns and he identifies as asexual.
Can’t tell for sure, but I detect a low 2D:4D ratio. What a stud.
This was taken this September. Nothing quite like a 30 something year old man with fried, wispy hair; ghoulish arms; tacky goth fashion; and hideous tattoos filming in his car.
Speaking of copying the same fucking names ad nauseum, we have Matthew W. “Maddie” Taylor. I guess “Maddie” is the Gen X equivalent of “Alice” and “Lily”. He’s bisexual, which is a funny way to say textbook autogynephile. He admitted this while seething and coping (and dilating?) about Dave Chappelle.
That adam’s apple. He looked like a blonde Gabe Newell, back when he was fat.
There’s so many, many more that it’s easier for me to just share this list. By the way, the list has radically expanded to 170 names since the three names back in 2021. Remember when being outed was dangerous? Now we have lists of “queer” people because someone wants it on their resumé. It’s almost like it has social caché now. Anyway, to top it off, I included some photos of the aforementioned men for laughs.
Because of the abundance of trannies, I get why some people would argue that his L.A. plans are less than insane… But this is an era of and a man with recording equipment. You don’t need to be physically in L.A. to work as a voice actor or animator anymore. You can work from anywhere, provided there’s some means of standardizing the audio. The only reason people still go to California (besides the memes) is because they see the pre-existing studios and art schools as a means to network. He could make this shift without paying an absurd amount in rent. What I’m trying to say is that even when Olly is smart, he’s dumb.
Mick Ignis’s old IMBD page (pre-trooning) says “He is often noted for his unusually tall, slender, androgynous body-type and versatile physicality.”
Maddie is still beloved unlike the rest of the troons on this list and elsewhere. She has left an actual legacy behind that can't be rivaled, and is sorely missed in all honesty.
Also unlike other troons, Maddie never insisted on voicing female characters for validation of any kind. She happened to be cast as Dr. Kureha for the 4KIDS dub of One Piece, and that was it, all of the other characters were male. (Also just realized she did the main voice for Magikarp, which makes me lol. She was a treasure.)
Maddie is still beloved unlike the rest of the troons on this list and elsewhere. She has left an actual legacy behind that can't be rivaled, and is sorely missed in all honesty.
Also unlike other troons, Maddie never insisted on voicing female characters for validation of any kind. She happened to be cast as Dr. Kureha for the 4KIDS dub of One Piece, and that was it, all of the other characters were male. (Also just realized she did the main voice for Magikarp, which makes me lol. She was a treasure.)
