Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

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What point is there to have Sallie May appear in the finale?
I anticipate Morgan to pull off some Jared Shapiro shit in near future and ship Sally, being a direct representation of himself, as it most likely already is, with some other character in the show.

Edit: Perhaps there’s at least one more short coming and Sally will be there.
 
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My only question is....why? What point is there to have Sallie May appear in the finale?

You know, I'm starting to think that Morgana Ignis being the brand manager for Spindlehorse and Viv's friend is the reason for why this supposedly one-off character gets so much attention. (Also, cause trans woman lol)
So Viv can focus on female characters, but only if they are trannies :story:
 
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What do we think of this? I feel like there's a chance that photo can be altered, especially with the campaign to make Stella be as evil as possible.
 
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What do we think of this? I feel like there's a chance that photo can be altered, especially with the campaign to make Stella be as evil as possible.
I really hope it won’t happen, because I’m hopelessly optimistic about the show still being able to get a better treatment and happy Stella would make a potential pfp for Didelphigina.
 
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What do we think of this? I feel like there's a chance that photo can be altered, especially with the campaign to make Stella be as evil as possible.
Narratively speaking, if they include the photos, they need a happy looking Stella and Stolas in the pictures, otherwise, what is Octavia even looking back on fondly? If it’s Mean Stella and Miserable Stolas and has been the case for all her life, the fights should be nothing new. The falling apart Family should have been baked into the cake, and Octavia should have seen this coming.

However, these writers/animators are not the smartest, so there is a chance they alter the photos, and in doing so make Octavia seem fucking stupid, thus allowing the wolves outside who are already foaming at the mouth to tear into her, to harp on even more shit when she inevitably leaves Stolas and tells him to have a great fucking life with his imp Boy Toy.

The real question is, does the confrontation happen at the start or end of the episode? I hope it’s the end, cause then we all can cut our losses. Via is free from Stolas, and Stolas gets everything he wanted in the worse way possible.
 
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What do we think of this? I feel like there's a chance that photo can be altered, especially with the campaign to make Stella be as evil as possible.
Viv sounded a little vindictive in her tweet about the Ghostfuckers storyboards, so it seems likely that it did get changed substantially.
 
Narratively speaking, if they include the photos, they need a happy looking Stella and Stolas in the pictures, otherwise, what is Octavia even looking back on fondly? If it’s Mean Stella and Miserable Stolas and has been the case for all her life, the fights should be nothing new. The falling apart Family should have been baked into the cake, and Octavia should have seen this coming.

However, these writers/animators are not the smartest, so there is a chance they alter the photos, and in doing so make Octavia seem fucking stupid, thus allowing the wolves outside who are already foaming at the mouth to tear into her, to harp on even more shit when she inevitably leaves Stolas and tells him to have a great fucking life with his imp Boy Toy.

The real question is, does the confrontation happen at the start or end of the episode? I hope it’s the end, cause then we all can cut our losses. Via is free from Stolas, and Stolas gets everything he wanted in the worse way possible.

It was talked here before, the change to make Stella "born evil" and always hating Stolas made it near impossible to believe Stella would fake loving him for Octavia's sake so Octavia saying "I miss when my parents didn't hate each other" comes across as a Stella retcon OR, as the fandom insists, that Stella gaslighted Octavia too good.

But not even that works cause Vivzie also keeps doubling down on Stella being DUMB and not planning things long term at all (her last 2 secnes with Andre). Her suddendly being portraited as a "master manipulator" would feel out of character.

What i mean is that there is no solution at this point.

IMO Vivzie would 100% rather make Octavia stupid than Stella look nice so she will change the portraits to sad Stolas.
 
IMO Vivzie would 100% rather make Octavia stupid than Stella look nice so she will change the portraits to sad Stolas.
I unfortunately agree, because like I said a long time ago regarding TA and Miraculous, never underestimate a creator’s willingness to go scorched earth on their own characters. It’s Not too shocking, since it’s alleged that Viv, Brandon and, the writing staff apparently hate Octavia. (Really wish those that alleged it had kept the receipts for the allegations).

The thing I can’t wrap my head around is why? It‘s not like they answer to a Corporate Studio that demands that they add a character in like Bendy in Foster’s Home for Imaginary Friends or Poochy, it’s a character they made themselves. I can only assume that her addition makes some competent writers speak up for her perspective on the dynamic regarding Stolas and Blitzo, and since that gets in the way of the story they want to tell, and she’s evil because of it, despite it being their writing that causes it. I know she’ll eventually bend the knee and kiss the Stolitz ring, but still.
 
Viv sounded a little vindictive in her tweet about the Ghostfuckers storyboards, so it seems likely that it did get changed substantially.
She always seems to revert shit people done in their original designs because they did something she didn't like or exposed her.

There's a wholeass Doc on the fandom someone made recently.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GQep0vFnNuT8Oy79Tpw3fJ1BfuhA0rDvxwIjVPfvguc/edit?usp=sharing

And here's an Archive in case this shits deleted: https://archive.is/LBUCM (Took awhile for fucks sake. 200+ Pages didn't help.)

TLDR: VivziePop did stupid shit, deflects, etc etc.

I held off on posting it here because I don't know where else to do, but considering we already have people like Raph, why not also burn a fire under the woman herself?
 
I can only assume that her addition makes some competent writers speak up for her perspective on the dynamic regarding Stolas and Blitzo, and since that gets in the way of the story they want to tell, and she’s evil because of it, despite it being their writing that causes it.
I think that’s exactly why. Vivzie and Brandon accidentally wrote a character who really makes Stolas, who is their precious gay baby, look bad. If Octavia didn’t exist, you could probably still rationalize him cheating on his wife and shirking his duties. But when you throw in a neglected kid, it makes him look inexcusably bad. Well, almost inexcusably if you think that sheltered teenager should just suck it up. The fact that people who had their parents run off for someone else (as mentioned in this very thread) can relate to Octavia’s situation makes it worse. Viv and Brandon can’t just take her out of the picture now, so they just hate her in the way that yaoi fangirls hate women that get in the way of their ship.
 
Fuck it, I'm offering up my skills for concepts and drawings if anybody wants to do this. DM me.

Edit: I can also help with any Biblical material if we wish to still keep it. I just won't be a fadora reddit atheist, I actually know a good chunk of theology.

Okay, I saw this when lurking before creating an account, but I'm up for it, I did write a few concepts I might post of redesigns involving the 7 Deadly Sins, I don't know really. In fact, this thread is the real reason why I made this account. Nice to see KiwiFarms can see the BS that most Stans can't. (I think some are actually opening their eyes.)
 
Nopes, nada, zilch, zero, nyet, not at all etc. Most you ever get is fans making excuses how "Stolas had character development"
This makes sense, since it seems like Viv wanted, but didn’t know how to implement him into the plot of having a romantic bond with Blitz. Either because she felt the fujo urge to ship them herself, or because she thought it would be a fun gimmick to pull off. I guess what happened was Viv ending up with a choice of whom to alter: she wanted to keep the rebelling character of Blitz, but it would most likely match poorly with the controlling and malicious character of Stolas.

I’ve also thought that the kind of Stolas we’ve got feels a lot like a hero, especially in the context of the second season - he became extremely sentimental, sharing his emotional feelings way too often and getting way too much spotlight. You can change the name of the show to “Helluva Birdfaggot”, remove Ghostfuckers and the first Fizz episode of S2 and it would fit the show perfectly. This kind of Stolas is extremely superficial and is easily utilized, since he doesn’t have many traits: he’s got a personality of a princess, he feels himself victimized by Stella, he’s romantically attracted to Blitz. That’s literally it. Could those people even have done anything to the pilot version of Stolas to make the same existing context of the show work? He looks like the guy who constantly slaps his wife and gruesomely beats up homeless people in the unsupervised backstreets to unwind.

Alledgely Brandon thought it would be cute for Stolas and Blitz to be childhood friends and shipped together, but no surprise. Fanservice.
I don’t see how this would differently affect Stolas, so he doesn’t grow up to be the pilot version of himself - plenty of things could have happened in a few decades, Stolas could have lived through a difficult experience that would turn him into a strong, dominant, yet malevolent and narcissistic mastermind (no pun intended) with more control over Blitz and his relationship with Stella.

Now when I’m thinking about it, she would very likely be falling for an evil Stolas, so she’ll lose her only reason in the show for being evil. Hence we probably would have gotten a better version of Stella too.
 
I unfortunately agree, because like I said a long time ago regarding TA and Miraculous, never underestimate a creator’s willingness to go scorched earth on their own characters. It’s Not too shocking, since it’s alleged that Viv, Brandon and, the writing staff apparently hate Octavia. (Really wish those that alleged it had kept the receipts for the allegations).

The thing I can’t wrap my head around is why? It‘s not like they answer to a Corporate Studio that demands that they add a character in like Bendy in Foster’s Home for Imaginary Friends or Poochy, it’s a character they made themselves. I can only assume that her addition makes some competent writers speak up for her perspective on the dynamic regarding Stolas and Blitzo, and since that gets in the way of the story they want to tell, and she’s evil because of it, despite it being their writing that causes it. I know she’ll eventually bend the knee and kiss the Stolitz ring, but still.

I agree but it's a problem of shit priorities and not planning things through.

If you watched LooLooLand you could legit argue Stolas is a good father and their relationship would be better next time Octavia appeared. But it didn't, Vivzie made sure to recycle LooLooLand in season 2.

This makes it clear that

1-Vivzie WANTS Octavia to get in the way of Stolitz because

2-Season 2 is about Stolitz now and Stolas needs his aangst

The problem is that Vivzie wants Stolas to be this "disaster gay dad trying his best but life won't let him uwu" but in speedrunning Stolitz she forgot to make him try and it backfired. Stolas is not "morally gray" anymore, he's just a terrible father and Octavia is right.

In fact, i theorize vivzie is fully aware of Stolas bad father reputation and changed Lucifer to be much more supportive of Charlie compared to the pilot.
 
I agree but it's a problem of shit priorities and not planning things through.

If you watched LooLooLand you could legit argue Stolas is a good father and their relationship would be better next time Octavia appeared. But it didn't, Vivzie made sure to recycle LooLooLand in season 2.

This makes it clear that

1-Vivzie WANTS Octavia to get in the way of Stolitz because

2-Season 2 is about Stolitz now and Stolas needs his aangst

The problem is that Vivzie wants Stolas to be this "disaster gay dad trying his best but life won't let him uwu" but in speedrunning Stolitz she forgot to make him try and it backfired. Stolas is not "morally gray" anymore, he's just a terrible father and Octavia is right.

In fact, i theorize vivzie is fully aware of Stolas bad father reputation and changed Lucifer to be much more supportive of Charlie compared to the pilot.
I wouldn't think he's a good father. He took his daughter to a place she didn't like. It's seen as different to me because if he was more present and spent time with Octavia he wouldn't be in this mess.

The only time Octavia gets to spend with her father is now a memory of being taken to a theme park she liked a decade ago. Octavia s opinion of her father is low. And the writers literally labeled a 17 year old a Cockblocker.

And the whole "I'm sorry I'll know next time" is BS. We know Stolas isn't going to have a next time with his Daughter.

Also trying to have Lucifer as supportive is funny because his debut episode is titled "Dad Beat Dad" it's implied to be Dead Beat Dad as Hazbin Hotel has their episode scheme names after Songs "Radio Killed The Video Star" or pop culture references. Or anything of the sort.
 
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