Supreme Court Arguments Devolve Into Weird Panic Over Trans Kids’ Fertility - During Wednesday's oral arguments for U.S. v. Skrmetti, Brett Kavanaugh and an attorney for Tennessee talked about trans children’s future reproduction. Weird weird weird!

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There’s a reason Tim Walz’s now-famous “weird” line of attack against conservatives once resonated, and it’s that conservatives and so many of their core fights are deeply fucking weird! That was very much on display Wednesday morning at the Supreme Court when the Justices heard oral arguments for U.S. v. Skrmetti, a case involving trans children’s access to life-saving gender-affirming health care that challenges Tennessee’s current ban.

Some background: In March 2023, Tennessee Gov. Bill Lee (R) signed SB 1, which prohibits health care workers from providing gender-affirming health care to transgender youth, including puberty blockers and hormone replacement therapies. However, minors who aren’t trans are still allowed to receive these treatments for varying reasons. SB 1, which forced trans youth to end their care by March 31 of this year, also allows minors or their parents to sue trans health care providers if they’ve suffered “harm” following treatment. In response to SB 1, trans children and their families sued the state of Tennessee. They’re represented by attorneys for the Biden administration, Lambda Legal, and the ACLU — specifically, the ACLU’s Chase Strangio, who became the first known transgender person to argue before the Supreme Court on Wednesday.

In June 2023, a federal judge issued a decision that would have blocked SB 1, but Tennessee immediately filed a successful appeal at the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit. The plaintiffs appealed to the Supreme Court, which announced in June that they would hear the case. And now, here we are!

While Strangio and Solicitor General Elizabeth Prelogar argued SB 1 amounts to sex-based discrimination, at different points, conservatives tried to hurl the court down a junk science rabbit hole over how gender-affirming care could supposedly impact trans kids’ future fertility. First, Kavanaugh raised to Prelogar that gender-affirming care came with risks of fertility loss, which Prelogar pointed out is untrue: Puberty blockers don’t affect fertility, and even if that were the case, a wide range of medical treatments that do affect fertility aren’t banned.



“Critically, puberty blockers have no effect in and of themselves on fertility, so I don’t think that concern can justify the ban on puberty blockers, which is just pressing pause on someone’s puberty to give them more time to understand their identity… There are other treatments for adolescents that likewise affect puberty including… [for] intersex individuals who often have surgeries as infants that might permanently affect their fertility.” Prelogar also raised that even if impacts on future fertility were a concern for gender-affirming health services, that still doesn’t warrant a ban: “If you are concerned about fertility there are measures the state could undertake like requiring warnings, more informed counseling, trying to ensure there’s informed consent in this area” instead of sweepingly banning medical treatments that can be a lifeline for trans kids.

Later, Tennessee’s solicitor general, Matthew Rice, raised this same, baseless, fearmongering claim when he made his case on behalf of the state. Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson aptly pointed out that the case actually has nothing to do with speculation about fertility, but the discriminatory nature of policing some children but not others’ access to certain medical treatments.

I’m genuinely impressed at Prelogar and Jackson’s ability to maintain composure amid such astoundingly creepy conversations. Thinking about anyone’s fertility, let alone the fertility and future reproduction of children, is both invasive and perverted. And yet, the arguments from Kavanaugh and Rice closely reflect the gross talking points I’ve increasingly been exposed to while following terminally online right-wingers and transphobes like Elon Musk, as well as anti-abortion extremists, for years.

Musk, specifically, is famously obsessed with the birth rate — an obsession that’s manifested in supporting anti-abortion politicians and trying to impregnate every woman within a three-mile radius of him. In recent years, Musk has become one of the most visible anti-trans talking heads on the internet, even writing off his own trans daughter as “dead” to him for transitioning. In 2023, his ex-partner, Grimes, tried to explain Musk’s transphobia, explaining that he’s simply, benevolently concerned about the birth rate and survival of the human race. Ew.

Meanwhile, just as conservatives speculate about whether trans kids could still birth biological children, they’re also increasingly arguing that child rape victims should be denied abortion and forced to give birth. Anti-abortion Dr. Ingrid Skop testified before Congress in 2021 that child rape victims as young as nine or 10 could safely give birth (false), and in May of this year, Texas appointed her to the state’s maternal mortality committee. In 2023, an Ohio anti-abortion leader testified before the state legislature in support of the state’s abortion ban, referring to a 10-year-old child rape victim as a “woman,” and insisting that “a woman’s body is designed to carry life.” One Texas-based anti-abortion leader proudly argued to the Washington Post in 2022 that 13-year-old rape victims make for “phenomenal” parents.

There is so, so much about the Skrmetti case that’s deeply upsetting — the dehumanization of trans kids, the risk this poses to gender-affirming care for trans people of all ages, or how Tennessee is invoking the Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health ruling as justification for SB 1. But on top of being infuriating, let’s not lose sight of how singularly fucking weird it is to be this fixated on trans children’s genitals and their “future fertility.”
 
I don't think it's crazy talk to suppress menstruation in a kindergarten girl.
If all you need to do is suppress menstruation, a progesterone only contraceptive in continuous use would do the trick without docking her a standard deviation in IQ or turning her bones into wiffle bats.

I won't even discuss the "horndog puberty in kindergarten" example until you give me an incidence stat. Go on and look- I'm more worried about retrofitting kindergarten classrooms for ostrich attacks.
 
Do we think there's much of a Constitutional or precedent rationale that would lead to a majority opinion against kids trooning out? I mean, parents sadly have the right to mutilate their sons' foreskins or poke holes through their daughters' ears. People don't really have total autonomy until the age of majority, so the parents have to make these decisions for them. I know SCOTUS justices aren't actually neutral, but they're supposed to make decisions based on constitutionality and legal precedent, so they'd mostly have to put ideology aside as much as is realistic. Is there much hope that even the right-leaning judges would have a solid legal argument against this? Just curious.
The best case trannies have is the parental rights argument, but that undercuts what they're doing in liberal states, taking kids away from non-affirming parents. They're also not really riding parental rights that hard; they're mostly going for a 14th Amendment argument, which is dead in the water, especially since most justices are seeing through the argument that trans is immutable.
It is generally accepted that states can ban certain medical procedures, no one is claiming a state cannot forbid... fgm.
The ACLU does.
Because puberty blockers are intended for a very specific edge case where people way too young start suddenly going through it, and you block that until puberty would normally start.
I think even then, they don't keep kids on puberty blockers for more than six months because of the negative health effects. "Trans" kids are kept on them for years because of the "time to think" canard.
 
It's only "weird" if you don't consider the fact that children eventually become adults. And a lot of adults would like to have children at some point. Children don't stay children forever, so if you make a permanent decision for a child then that's going to affect a future adult. Why am I even having to explain this, you brainless fucking imbeciles?
I'm convinced that part of the gayops against the United States was to encourage boomers onward to never mature at all, just stay as a teenager forever. The absolute peak of your life is now supposed to be 4 years of party college. Shitlibs spend the rest of their lives trying to crawl back into that, stay hip with the cool teens. Everything in their lives was set at or before age 18. Chase Strangio was born in 1982, this bitch is old.
 
This has to be one of the most transparent, cringe and horrible attempts to create/shift the narrative i've ever seen. "OMG, they are actually worried about sterilizing children.. how weird!... HA HA... <_<...... >_>..."

I've got one for them to help test out this seemingly rock solid logic.. "You're worried about the health of advocates of child medical transition after being thrown off of roof tops... how weird!"
 
I'm posting the comments on this article, because this shit is getting weird.

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3 I'm assuming black women have the usual rejoinder, that the interest in fertility for trans kids is hypocrisy because conservatives scorn abortion and natal care, especially for black women, "the backbone of the nation" (what is it with this), but left unsaid is that black women are more likely to be poor, and are genetically far more prone to fatal childbirth complications. I expect that the black statistic for childbirth mortality will be brought up in arguments about conservative interest in trans fertility if it's raised in future.
The weird thing is she sure gets views and likes on social media on par with a mildly known reporter even if her replies are shit but on platforms where responses are allowed her engagement is just as small as on twitter. Makes me think the views/likes are botted. Certainly no Jezebel employee is actually relevant these days. I dunno maybe I’ll put more effort into exposing the reality behind miss woke social star.
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yeah she wants to be a thirst trap
It's easier to get Chad and Jackson*'s attention if younger Stacy/Amy* sterilise themselves and lop their tits off.
*what is the Azn equivelent of Chad and Stacy anyway.
Even a generally nice kid would be a menace to his same-age peers due to lack of impulse control
I taught a gifted 7 year old who googled "beautiful 7 year old girls from Amerika". That's scary enough.
 
I mean, parents sadly have the right to mutilate their sons' foreskins or poke holes through their daughters' ears. People don't really have total autonomy until the age of majority, so the parents have to make these decisions for them.
Neither troonism nor other mutilations are issues of "autonomy", this is what retards like Libs of Tiktok got wrong. Children shouldn't be mutilated at all. Not if they want to and the parents oppose it like any normal human would. Not if the parents are pedophiles and groom their children into troonouts. Politics is gay, it's meant to make people argue from gay fake principles and ignore outcomes. The OP is technically a muhstatesrights case, but eventually "can California mutilate children" will come up and the right answer will be NO there.

What it is not:
- children vs parents
- parents vs US state
- normies vs experts
- US state vs feds
What it is:
- humans vs the nose
- good vs evil

Male genital mutilation will never go away because of the nose. It's not that women who oppose FGM or people who oppose trooning children are "hypocritical" or anything, it's that you can't win against the nose, and if you cry hypocrisy and point out IF A THEN B, the nose who wants NO B will ensure NO A and nothing will get done, which only benefits them.

"Because it takes 20 years to indoctrinate a new generation into communism" - Yuri B.
Communism banned faggotry and troonism, and capitalism legalized them. Get raped, solzhenitsyn.
 
It used to be if a drug promised to do one thing, but a side effect of it was a risk of permanent sterilization, it would be a pretty big fucking deal, especially if the drug was to be given to children. It also used to be a big deal if a vaccine for a seasonal flu caused cardiac damage in the young, but that's not big deal anymore either.

Its absolute lunacy to pretend that a drug that deliberately halts the development of the reproductive system does not pose a considerable risk of permanent sterility. No, you cannot delay puberty and expect no detrimental effects as the reproductive organs are in no longer in sync with the physical progression of the rest of the body and the reproductive organs also shape how the body develops. Farmers can't just delay planting corn until July because they can't decide if they are a farmer or not and harvesting in February would be more personally convenient.
 
How does someone get like this? To unquestioningly believe something as fundamentally ridiculous as "drugs that disrupt puberty - the process by which you become fertile - have no affect on fertility"?

No, seriously. Research needs to be done on what happens to the human brain to make them into literal NPCs who simply obey their programming, because it's genuinely terrifying watching an erstwhile human being behave like a single celled organism.
People like this have always been empty vessels waiting for whatever nonsense some authority will pour into them. The best part? They are the overwhelming majority.
In this specific case, she was trained to view fertility and reproduction as beneath her, something only low-status weirdos care about. Vomiting incoherent screeds into the void as a "career", now that's status.
 
To be more precise our local marxists push it in capitalist countries but not in their backyards.

Hell.. What and who do you think most of this nonsense, from post modernism to critical theory, was created for and by? This is the rotting fruits of the Russians from the cold war still shitting up the place. Taken on a life of it's own. It's why i always laugh when people talk about Russia and other eastern countries resisting and fighting against this "western degeneracy."
 
Oh wow those WEIRD conservatives! Imagine worrying about lifelong consequences for a decision made at 14! Why are they so WEIRD and OBSESSED with wombs, amirite fellow shitlibs?

Hell.. What and who do you think most of this nonsense, from post modernism to critical theory, was created for and by?
Western communists, primarily Jews.

Don’t blame the SovietUnion for this one mate, they’d rightfully put people into mental institutions if they started sperging too much about homosexuality and post modernity.

Soviet/Russian communists were way more based than Western liberals, after Stalin cleaned house and gave all the degenerates 9 grams of lead. Shit, Stalin even banned abortion.
 
I'm convinced that part of the gayops against the United States was to encourage boomers onward to never mature at all, just stay as a teenager forever. The absolute peak of your life is now supposed to be 4 years of party college. Shitlibs spend the rest of their lives trying to crawl back into that, stay hip with the cool teens. Everything in their lives was set at or before age 18. Chase Strangio was born in 1982, this bitch is old.
I think it was more fear of The Reaper from the "thinker no believer" generation than any outside plot that created the 80 year old teenager we see in todays' dying dregs in Congress and all their hangers-on.

When you say "Fuck you, Dad, I'm not going to church!" , what happens when your own mortality starts to absorb more and more of your thoughts?

You try to beat it back with denial.
 
If all you need to do is suppress menstruation, a progesterone only contraceptive in continuous use would do the trick without docking her a standard deviation in IQ or turning her bones into wiffle bats.

Powerlevel time: Doctors considered putting me on puberty blockers (not a troon— actual woman.) They didn’t because it would have stunted my growth. They also advised me to eat less soy because the excess estrogen was partially triggering it.

Somehow, this was a scientific fact 20 years ago, but now is transphobic fake science. Funny how that works. Glad I wasn’t sterilized to push an agenda. These people are pedophilic monsters and the total tranny death cannot come soon enough.
 
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