Greta Gustava Martela / Kjel Anderson & Nina Chaubal / Niraj Chaubal - Stole $350k+ from Trans Lifeline, kill count of 2+ from negligence, Founders of Sisterwood/La Zorra.

I feel like they're making the situation more dire than it really is. At no point has Greta or Phil been assaulted because of their trans-ness. They have never even been discriminated against because of their trans-status. All the problems they bring up are MADE UP.

Are they starting to believe their own lies now?? So much so that they are scaring themselves?

I remember this bit called the Wild Man of Borneo routine, which I think may help explain things. I don't know where it's from, and I'm paraphrasing heavily, but I first heard it described to me by an old political friend.

Basically, in it, this drunk guy needs money (for booze), and a carnival sideshow gives him a job where he pretends to be the Wild Man of Borneo and pretends to bite the heads off chickens. In actuality, it's just theatricality, and while at first things go well, people get numb to the shock of him almost biting the heads off, and he winds up having to step up the game. At this point he starts using a razor concealed in his lip and using dead chickens, and shit eventually devolves until he's literally biting the heads off live chickens with his teeth, and it ends with the poor bastard getting sick from doing it so much.

The moral of the story is that escalation for shock purposes will almost always prove ineffectual in good time.

What may start as a really effective way to get people to do what you want won't necessarily stay such, because over time people become numb to your shit if you keep abusing it like an idiot. This leaves most of these morons to run after the escalation model, because it's literally all they have. They'll keep pushing it upwards, claiming they're fighting the good fight against an oppressive power structure but denying any and all responsibility when, after riling up their base, said structure goes and does something violent or stupid that makes its way back to Greta and company.
 
I feel like they're making the situation more dire than it really is. At no point has Greta or Phil been assaulted because of their trans-ness. They have never even been discriminated against because of their trans-status. All the problems they bring up are MADE UP.
That's kind of a half truth.

The discrimination/misgendering does happen on here in regards to them, but that's only out of spite and agreement that they, specifically Phil and anyone too lazy to try, have lied about their identity or orientation for brownie points.

Most sensible people would shrug it off and try to politely argue their state of mind and why they believe that. Not these guys. It's much more easier to pull a "TRIGGERED.GIF" and chimp out like a rabid gorilla with blue balls, all the while making as big a fuss possible for a dollar or two.

The "assault" for certain I can bet has never happened. Greta has likely never been assaulted. Who would touch a six foot viking with ungodly hands without a suicide wish? And we certainly have proven that Phil, and others, are the more prone and proven assailants.
Greta claims to have had her teeth broken because she's trans and to have been unable to find work after trooning out.
I'll take a guess and say Kjel lost his job in the second marriage, went alcoholic for a bit, got into bar fights, and had his teeth chipped.

Or he can't brush his teeth.
 
Greta claims to have had her teeth broken because she's trans and to have been unable to find work after trooning out.

Oh, I'm damn sure he's been met with stares, embarrased no-eye-contact and snickering behind his back. It would be super hard to find a job in drag. I wouldn't be at all surprised if some good ol' boy muttered something about a dude in a dress and Greta got into a totally ladylike fist-fight and got his mouth mashed in. Not sure I'd want to see the other guy.

All of which must be intensely unpleasant, but geez -- you parade around in public as a grotesque spectacle, you can't expect everyone to be good and not gawp.
 
All of which must be intensely unpleasant, but geez -- you parade around in public as a grotesque spectacle, you can't expect everyone to be good and not gawp.

Actual women Greta's age who go the loud, "assertive", dangerhair route get gawped at and mocked. It has nothing to do with being trans and everything to do with making a spectacle of yourself. Be as "unique" as you like, but don't complain about other people not taking you seriously if you present yourself as and behave like a rebellious teenager, trailer trash, or both.
 
Trump doesn't need to round up all the troons and put them in camps. Greta's going to do it.


http://archive.is/uxB4U

The terms "delusions of grandeur" and "catastrophizing" immediately came to mind when I read that drivel. Greta's doing fuckall about the suicidal people calling TLL, but now she wants to embark on a glorious new project of epic proportions and coincidentally also have far more power over people. It's as if she's deliberately trolling us at this point.

And the people in that post... This is the self-defeating stupidity I was just talking about. We don't know how things regarding LGBT matters will turn out in the various agencies and the impending Trump administration, but it's certainly not going to be anything like this Nazi-like catastrophe these people are indicating. Fucking fleeing into the desert (and hahaha, BLM property... they don't give a fuck about non-black people)? Underground railroads? Most trans people at most just need to move to a more favorable area. There are even areas in the Southeast (which tends to be cheaper in everything) they could move to. Hell, Atlanta is inexpensive, has a decent public transit system, has a bunch of conventions for those who like those things, has available housing, AND they're openly pro-LGBT. Trans people facing opposition just need to plan well and make relocation a high priority, not wallow where there are in self-pity and terror. Take some fucking initiative or deal with the consequences (disregarding the genuinely disabled, children, other special cases).

Yes, I'm pretty sure one of @LordKaT's episodes (probably the first) mentions that Greta used a TLL's social media account to promote a GoFundMe (or similar) for her dental work. if that's the case this is probably more than likely archived in this thread - before page 200 or so is my guess.

The dental work I've documented. I'm sure TLL promoted the emergency immigration fundraiser, but I haven't reached that period yet (though I've read most of it before my project).

I have generated one and put it on the wiki page. It was a bit of a lazy job and I didn't notice some formatting was off but it works and it's there.

Yes, I saw that section! Thanks for adding it. I expanded and refined what you wrote there, including adding a few more links and files. I have gotten a moderately good familiarity with the wiki editor now.

This is not mutually exclusive. TLL service is distributed geographically and is served from their central to volunteers everywhere around the country. Nina and Greta could absolutely be taking calls while the other one is driving.

Ahh, yes. Let me rephrase that: they were enjoying themselves while traveling and declined to go on-call either on the road or at home.

Greta and the bulk of her trans activist buddies are not trans. They've never got anything remotely resembling a dysphoria diagnosis, nor has pretty much anyone they employ. They are ascended fetishist in the same category as Mark Boyd and Jake Alley, with the only difference being that Nina and Greta actually had the money to get SRS.

My understanding is "transgender" covers more than the stereotypical and classical "transsexual" variety which first receives that diagnosis you mentioned. So, those who don't need or want such drastic treatments as HRT or SRS and who might be fine with laser hair treatments and crossdressing (i.e., femboys) wouldn't need such a diagnosis and would still be considered trans if they consider themselves trans.

Though all of that is somewhat extraneous with regards to our lolcows since it seems both of them received SRS, which to my understanding requires a diagnosis and a lengthy process of therapy and acclimation before a surgeon will approve SRS. Assuming they both received SRS, while I agree they're crazy and terrible fearmongers and scammers, I don't doubt they're actually trans or that they received a lot of supervision before. As AnOminous stated:

Actually getting SRS is an incredibly drastic step and not something someone does just to posture.
 
Actual women Greta's age who go the loud, "assertive", dangerhair route get gawped at and mocked. It has nothing to do with being trans and everything to do with making a spectacle of yourself. Be as "unique" as you like, but don't complain about other people not taking you seriously if you present yourself as and behave like a rebellious teenager, trailer trash, or both.

Adults that behave like a rebellious teenager usually end up punched at some point or another. I'm willing to believe that Greta got in a fight at some point after trooning out, but that's about it. If someone broke her teeth, I'd be willing to bet that Greta did something to earn that, since most adults don't go around punching people for no reason.
 
(and hahaha, BLM property... they don't give a fuck about non-black people)

In this case BLM refers to the federal Bureau of Land Management. She's talking about going all Oregon stand-off.

Maybe they should all hole up at the Bundy ranch.

It's also interesting how Greta reacts to any questioning of the viability of her idea as though it's a personal attack. It's clear that she's not after feedback but asspats, and that the only input she wants others to have is providing the money and doing the actual work.
 
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So with this troontown idea has Greta:

1. Finally went full psychopathic and is seriously going to become the leader of a rural trans cult?

2. Started making plans for when El Nino is mandated to go back to his designated street in India? (and I mean that either as a way of moving on after he's gone or as a way of escaping the law)

why not both? :deviant:

Anyway, I shudder to think of what a trans commune ruled by Greta would end up like. She can't even manage 10% response rates when all she needs to do is have herself and her manwife pick-up the phone when someone calls! People will die.
 
It's also interesting how Greta reacts to any questioning of the viability of her idea as though it's a personal attack. It's clear that she's not after feedback but asspats, and that the only input she wants others to have is providing the money and doing the actual work.

Racists, transmisogynist, and every other ist you can think of has become code for their actual enemies: objectivity and personal responsibility.
 
Anyway, I shudder to think of what a trans commune ruled by Greta would end up like. She can't even manage 10% response rates when all she needs to do is have herself and her manwife pick-up the phone when someone calls! People will die.

But if you send her donations to help make Troonville a reality, everything will be A-OK !
 
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New That's kind of a half truth.

The discrimination/misgendering does happen on here in regards to them, but that's only out of spite and agreement that they, specifically Phil and anyone too lazy to try, have lied about their identity or orientation for brownie points.
Don't get me wrong. I know there real discrimination against real trans people.

What I'm saying is any discrimination of Greta and Phil isn't because they are claiming to be trans, it's because they're assholes who abuse scenarios for asspats. No one has discriminated against Phil for being trans because no one outside Phils "circle of friends" knows he's trans. No one walking on the streeet would know. Same as Greta. No stranger is going to go out of their way to bother them because both appear to be straight white males... oddly dressed, but straight and white nonetheless.
 
Actual women Greta's age who go the loud, "assertive", dangerhair route get gawped at and mocked. It has nothing to do with being trans and everything to do with making a spectacle of yourself. Be as "unique" as you like, but don't complain about other people not taking you seriously if you present yourself as and behave like a rebellious teenager, trailer trash, or both.

It's the ICP fan paradox but with gender instead of bad rap music. You have a set of people who dress like, in this case, literally, clowns and behave in stupid ways and thus they get stereotyped as funny looking idiots who behave like fools. Of course, just like ICP fans, the indignation that somehow the rap on them became this outlandish stereotype pisses this set of people off, which just feeds the loop more with even dumber behavior and more outlandish appearance choices all in the name of pissing off those not in their chosen subculture and we're back at the start after collecting $200 worth of :lol:'s for another trip around the board.
 
So, with minimal powerlevel here, a friend of mine who has worked at suicide hotlines decided to call in and test them for personal reasons. This is all second-hand, so grains of salt should be taken, but I trust my friend.

He won't let me use any names or exact conversations, but wanted me to post the gist of what happened here because he was pretty livid.

First, he said that out of 15 calls, he got through ONCE, which he found really upsetting for a suicide hotline.

His story was a common one that they apparently train operators in other suicide hotlines on. The story was that he was a MtF that he decided to transition without a doctor. Friends online had helped him order hormones and he'd been taking them for almost 2 weeks but was hating their effects.

He felt physically ill, felt like he couldn't control his thoughts and feelings, and was contemplating suicide because he thought the situation was hopeless.

Normal procedure is to explain that everyone reacts differently to drugs and they're seldom perfect on the first try. And that it sounds like a serious drug reaction and they need to get to an ER ASAP. There's more to it than that, but thats the general way to handle it.

The TLL operator started off by basically saying "Yeah, HRT sucks for a while, but you gotta just tough it out." and explained that "The hospital isn't an option unless you want them to lock you up in a mental ward" and encouraged him to "Google up some free clinics in the area. They're usually pretty good"

My friend gave obviously fake agreement to do this and the operator said "See? You're gonna be fine", before suggesting he eat something and watch some TV to calm down, told him to have a good day, and basically waited for him to hang up.

My friend isn't going to do anything about it because he's worried that getting involved could affect his education and career, but he wanted me to pass this info on.

This is bad, guys. Really bad.
 
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