2024 Syrian opposition offensives - The first Syrian rebel offensive against Government forces since March 2020

[kobebyarlant]

Ba'athist Syria was the last vestigial remnant of mid 20th century Pan-Arab Nationalism. Like NK, they were a living fossil in the geopolitical scene, a Cold War relic 50+ years removed from any relevancy. They espoused ideals and concerns that the world moved on and all but forgot about, as relevant as a Jacobite club in 19th century London.

 

[Maori Kiwifruit Growers]

Ba'athist Syria was the last vestigial remnant of mid 20th century Pan-Arab Nationalism. Like NK, they were a living fossil in the geopolitical scene, a Cold War relic 50+ years removed from any relevancy. They espoused ideals and concerns that the world moved on and all but forgot about, as relevant as a Jacobite club in 19th century London.

The last one unironically is Palestine. It was made because the idea was that Egypt and Syria would destroy Israel and Palestine would replace it so they could have their glorious Arab Republic stretching from Egypt to Syria

 

[draggs]

Australian Girl throws a tantrum and ragequits a Xitter space over laughing emojis:
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Simps for all-or-nothing second and third world ideologies (which, if they gain power in the real world, are almost always built on a pile of bones) are always so damn sensitive

The last one unironically is Palestine. It was made because the idea was that Egypt and Syria would destroy Israel and Palestine would replace it so they could have their glorious Arab Republic.

The modern idea of "Palestine" was made up in the late 50s/early 60s as a result of Marxist-Leninist influence on Arab thought. Specifically, the idea that 'the national minorities of Russia' should get self-determination and this would lead to them all kumbayaing in internationalist solidarity, removing many obstacles to the greater goal of building socialism, being a shining example to other polyglot nations, that Lenin began developing in the post-1905 pre-1917 period and continued developing after 1917

The original idea of the Arabs was that from the river to the sea would be divided between Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, and Jordan. Changing that to hey the Palestinians should get their own independent state was the thought that if every particular group of Arabs had their own sovereignty, the ummah (or at least the Arab parts of it) would stop squabbling and proceed to cooperate in an amorphous and vague pan-Arabism that would uplift all without stepping on any

 

[BigPeanut]

What's a Zigger?

A Russia supporter, 90% of the time not even Russian but A brown third worlder.

 

[Maori Kiwifruit Growers]

A Russia supporter, 90% of the time not even Russian but A brown third worlder.

It's always the brown people with the Terrible ideas. Sometimes I think we should have hsd colonialism for longer.

 

[Hillary Clinton's Ass]

It's still kind of nuts that this long drawn out conflict has seemingly ended so anticlimactically (It will surprise me if this truly marks the end of the civil war), yeah very casually followed this before and knew Assad was always basically nothing without Iran and Russia, but you expect at least one moderately sized battle would be needed to break the back of the SAA, you'd expect to see a fair amount of reports of fanatical SAA and SAA aligned units refusing to rout or surrender, I can't think of a single instance in war were an army seemingly just ceased to exist this quickly.

The collapse of the SAA and the lack of any last stands (outside of made up last stands from coping Xitter and TG accounts, like the hilarious supposed paradrop by the SAA a few days ago) was due to Assad's regime never going through completely with any of the reforms planned for the SAA. I remember back in 2015-2017 a regular in the SAA was very badly paid, unless you were part of some elite unit you got fucked (in fact some private militias at the time like the then Desert Hawks and Tiger Force paid them, iirc, at least 3 times or more the same rate), this continued until a few days ago when the collapse started and then shit just hit the fan.

Add to that the extreme corruption in the army, the SAA suffered from the same issue as the ANA and they had a bunch of ghost units, you could also pay your officers and go on a "extended leave" (you bribed yourself out of any sort of military obligation), the SAA was suffering from this problem back at the start of the war, they never solved this issue.

Also, are there really any sort of fanatical Syrian Ba'athist? Outside of terminally online people that don't even live in Syria or close to it.

Most of the militias fighting for him were either foreign ones acting on orders from the home country/organization, when these countries/groups (Iran and Hezbollah) decide that they won't longer support Assad, these militias units were told to withdraw. Or where private militias that eventually became gangs involved in the Captagon trade (like the army too on top of regular smuggling) or were absorbed into the SAA and faced the same problems as the regular soldiers.

 

[Gerelatha]

>open 2024 rebel offensive Wikipedia page
>ctrl+f withdr
>40 results

 

[Camel joe]

Holy shit.

 

[Maori Kiwifruit Growers]

Many years ago I asked an old Arab professor if there were any Arab socialist/ Ba'athists left and he told me "no, unless you go to the back of the coffee shops in Tunis and listen to the old people reminisce".

 

[Ishtar]

Yeah the Syrian government had been involved in the drug trade for years, as I understand it, the corruption was endemic in the higher ranks.

When your average SAA conscript is underpaid and hungry while his officer is running speed across the border and taking extended vacations, well that’s just not a situation that inspires allegiance.

If there’s one lesson here, it’s that relying on foreign patrons to save your bacon is short sighted-in the long run, if you need more powerful states to save you, then you are going to be tossed aside one day.

“An alliance with the powerful is never to be trusted” was the saying in antiquity?

 

[Camel joe]

Many years ago I asked an old Arab professor if there were any Arab socialist/ Ba'athists left and he told me "no, unless you go to the back of the coffee shops in Tunis and listen to the old people reminisce".

Arab socialism still goes on tho but baathism is well and truly over.

 

[3-2-1836]

Many years ago I asked an old Arab professor if there were any Arab socialist/ Ba'athists left and he told me "no, unless you go to the back of the coffee shops in Tunis and listen to the old people reminisce".

I've been to Tunis, god that city is such a shithole.

 

[BigPeanut]

F to a real one. I wish the best for God, Syria and Bashar.

Fuck Syrians and the pagan moon demon allah, but Assad was based. RIP.

Yeah the Syrian government had been involved in the drug trade for years, as I understand it, the corruption was endemic in the higher ranks.

name one not corrupt brown country government lol

 

[Breadbassket]

Arab socialism still goes on tho but baathism is well and truly over.

Political themed tub puns will never recover from this.

 

[Enoch Emery]

Still no images of the supposed plane crash. Spoofed ADS-B?

 

[3-2-1836]

Oh one more thing, Ba'athist bringing back another great meme

The Elite Republican Guard

 

[Ishtar]

The last Baathist government has fallen. End of an era in itself for Middle East history.

Well I suppose turkey and Israel are the real winners.

The gulf states too.

 

[Camel joe]

Fuck Syrians and the pagan moon demon allah, but Assad was based. RIP.

Nigger

 

[Ishtar]

I’m curious how much influence Turkey has on the HTS, or the gulf states for that matter. It’s going to take some time for the new government to consolidate itself, I would expect peace with the kurds(they have a non aggression pact).

After that? Then what? Presumably some sort of transitional council, and at least local elections? How committed is HTS to “western democracy”(TM).

 

[Camel joe]

The gulf states too.

All except UAE the fuckers were supporting Assad and he's probably in abu Dhabi right now