2024 Syrian opposition offensives - The first Syrian rebel offensive against Government forces since March 2020

There any Arab cities that aren't shit? I know Israel is the only functioning state but outside of them....
Not that I ever plan on going to Dunecoonland, but apparently Jordan is the least shitty of the bunch. A quick look on Jewgle street view gives me the impression that Amman is pretty well put-together by Arab standards. Which means it's a shithole, but less so.
 
I don’t think so, there was a divide between the east and west there. It looks to me like the rebels have solidified under one body(barring the Kurds).

If they are able to gain the assent of the Sunni majority even tacitly, they quite likely will be stable.
There won't be any opposition except from Kurds and maybe the coast unless Jolani is somehow telling the truth about being a tolerant, loving person now. All the most radical Jihadist groups will be pissed off and start fighting against him for not meeting his beheading quota.
 
Actually? It was on my list for some random reason. There any Arab cities that aren't shit? I know Israel is the only functioning state but outside of them....
Rabat the capital of Morocco, or Marrakech which is the instathot capital of Morocco

The Gulf and Saudi are decent from what I've heard, also Jordan is supposedly a functional country
 
So the IDF clarified they are just ensuing no one crosses INTO Israeli territory and they have no intention to interfere with the Syrian civil war/whatever the fuck is going on right now ..


The IDF has announced that, following an assessment of recent developments in Syria, including the entry of armed individuals into the buffer zone, it has deployed forces within the buffer zone and other strategic locations. This move aims to ensure the safety of residents in the Golan Heights and across Israel.

"The IDF is not interfering with internal events in Syria," the statement clarified, emphasizing its focus on maintaining the buffer zone and safeguarding civilians.

The IDF reaffirmed its commitment to "operate as long as necessary" to uphold the security of the buffer zone and its residents.
 
Worst case scenario: repeated collapses via coups, terror organizations, and civil wars (most likely against the Kurds if the Turks have too much sway). Maybe Turkey would get kicked out of NATO for backing actual genocide, but that's :optimistic: thinking. In the turmoil, anybody not the right kind of Muslim will be purged, and that definition of "right kind of Muslim" will switch hands enough times that Europeans can expect another Refugee Crisis. Somebody will use chemical weapons on Israel causing the entire region to explode again and another 20 years of GWOT.

Best case scenario: unified government that then immediately stops listening to Turkey and leaves the Kurds alone. Will probably end up like current Iraq where they lower the age of consent to 9 years old. It's a Muslim run country, after all.
 
Rabat the capital of Morocco, or Marrakech which is the instathot capital of Morocco

The Gulf and Saudi are decent from what I've heard, also Jordan is supposedly a functional country
As a Jew Jordan worries me from a safety pov. I've heard Morocco doesn't care about killing Jews because they're so far from Palestine.
 
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Guys I've read this whole thread and you've all MISSED one very FUCKING important detail
The reason Putin supported Assad is not just because of the warm water port.
It was actually because The gulf states were supporting the rebels

Why were they supporting them you may ask?

Well as you know the gulf states (and Qatar especially) have the world's largest Gasfield and they were supporting the rebels to eventually build a bunch of pipelines through Syria into Europe (and especially Germany) in order sell the Gas there.

And as we know The EU was depending on Russian gas and it's probably the only thing keeping the economy going.


Now the rebels have captured all of Syria including it's gas fields and......



And oh my god...


Putin is so unbelievably FUCKED hahahahaha
 
It looks to me like the rebels have solidified under one body(barring the Kurds).
Lol lmao absolutely not. Even what we refer to as "the Kurds" are more complicated than that. After the collapse of the FSA and the whole thing with ISIS, Syrian Kurdistan absorbed a lot of not Kurdish groups that were politically aligned with them. "The Kurds" are now a mix of actual Kurds, Assyrians, Yazidis, and liberal Arabs. In the south, most of the fighting over the last week or so was done by groups which now refer to themselves as the "Southern Operations Room," which is primarily made up of Druze tribesmen. While they are technically allied with the HTS, the Druze are not Muslim, and aren't going to support an extremist agenda.
 
If there was any condition by Turkey for all this support it would have to be not giving kurds any autonomy.
The SDF, i.e the Kurds, are probably the next target for the SNA, the Turkish puppets. They clashed during the battles for Aleppo. The HTS also had some clashes with the SDF during those battles.
 
I take then turkey is probably the main beneficiary here.

In that case, what does the new government look like? Managed democracy? Elections at the local level while a “transitional” government centralizes power?
A new government forming immediately works in favor for Turkey, but Syria fracturing into several infighting factions works better for Israel.
 
As a Jew Jordan worries me from a safety pov. I've heard Morocco doesn't care about killing Jews because they're so from Palestine.
Jordan has been a rather moderate constitutional monarchy since like forever, they aren't going to do anything dangerous unless the situation radically changes, and if it does, it would be because of much larger threats.

Guys I've read this whole thread and you've all MISSED one very FUCKING important detail
The reason Putin supported Assad is not just because of the warm water port.
It was actually because The gulf states were supporting the rebels

Why were they supporting them you may ask?

Well as you know the gulf states (and Qatar especially) have the world's largest Gasfield and they were supporting the rebels to eventually build a bunch of pipelines through Syria into Europe (and especially Germany) in order sell the Gas there.

And as we know The EU was depending on Russian gas and it's probably the only thing keeping the economy going.


Now the rebels have captured all of Syria including it's gas fields and......



And oh my god...


Putin is so unbelievably FUCKED hahahahaha
Investing in Syria right now sounds like a thing so risky that not even an arab with oil money is likely to do it (also, isn't LNG more useful at such a large distance anyways? I know that the dutch have large facilities to process it and that they end up sending it to the germans as well)
 
Well as you know the gulf states (and Qatar especially) have the world's largest Gasfield and they were supporting the rebels to eventually build a bunch of pipelines through Syria into Europe (and especially Germany) in order sell the Gas there.

And as we know The EU was depending on Russian gas and it's probably the only thing keeping the economy going.


Now the rebels have captured all of Syria including it's gas fields and......



And oh my god...


Putin is so unbelievably FUCKED hahahahaha
So Putin is fucked 20-30 years from now when this massive megaconstruction project finishes. He must be quaking in his boots at this horrifically short deadline.
 
Gimme clocks or trashcans, but I just can't wrap my head around how the entire Syrian regime which had been resilient for 13 years, just suddenly collapsed in under 2 weeks after a literal who military force comes out of nowhere and starts fucking shit up. It seemed like things were mostly normal, least in big cities like Aleppo and Damascus. I know I saw pictures of people I'm acquainted with who were vacationing there (for whatever godforsaken reason) in the last year and it all seemed under control. can someone explain literally what happened???
Resilient is not the right word. They had failed to make any serious pushback against the rebels since 2015. They were held at a stalemate by disorganized ditch-shitting goatfuckers for 13 years- not the sign of a healthy regime.

The reason it collapsed is Syria had two major Allies: Russia and Iran. And both these Allies managed to punch themselves squarely in the dick at the exact same moment.

Russia's forces are tied up in Ukraine. Russia has been slowly degrading their Syria presence since 2022 to try to find more hardware for Ukraine, and Russian force projection has always been garbage, so they weren't in any position to try to stem the tide. Russian close air support is also utter garbage. They do better hitting large, static concentrations of men/equipment but the Rebels are too mobile for that.

Iran has been depleting their reserves selling them to Russia at a premium. Trump blew up their primary fixer in 2020 and Iran still hasn't found a successor. Iran's proxies, Hamas and Hezbollah who had rushed to Syria in 2014 to try to stem the collapse, were absolutely BTFO by the IDF. They are barely holding themselves together, forget being able to come to Assad's aid.

The question you might ask is "why exactly now?" and the answer is very likely that due to October 7, Turkey got the green light to turn their puppet loose.

Assad was relying heavily on Russia and Iran to stay in power. Russia is bogged down in Ukraine and was forced to disband their PMC group after they tried to pull a coup, and Isreal just finished crippling Hezbollah's leadership, giving Iran a really bloody nose in the process. With those two allies out of the way, Assad effectively had no one to protect him.
small point of order:
Wagner isn't disbanded. They still exist but they are deployed foreign-only. They removed the PR spokesman and the actual real hard special forces nigga who really ran the saw and had recruited the better talent. and then both these morons decided to get on plane together and got blown up.


I take then turkey is probably the main beneficiary here.
Yes. This is a massive win for Turkey and Erdog. They control the guy in power, so now anyone who wants to do business in Syria is going to have to go through Turkey.
Iran has lost their primary vector of being able to fuck with Turkey (and russia to a lesser degree). And they've lost it at the worst possible time, having had Hezbollah getting utterly turned inside out my Mossad; there is a non-zero chance Iran loses Lebanon.

the head scratching bit will be how they will handle the Kurds.
 

Syria before the Islamic revolution:​

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