UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot outside Hilton hotel in Midtown in targeted attack: cops - Just Part and Parcel of visiting a Big City

[MirnaMinkoff]

that's the case (which matches up to some of what you've said) I don't really see it as him "wanting to be a hero". There are some people that go and do shit to make the world a better place and he hasn't really left enough shit to get actual fame from it (so far, at least), But maybe that is also just "wanting to be a hero".

People motivated into actions for fame or public adulation are shallow douchebags, not heroes. Real heroes are motivated or driven purely by ideals, love or injustice. The fame, public adulation, public scorn,
punishment or infamy that might result from their actions is incidental.

The fame and attention that can result from heroic actions or leadership is also one of its pitfalls, because it can corrupt or be a terrible influence on all but the strongest and moral. Being surrounded by hero worshipping lackeys and “yes men” is also very dangerous. Even when you just look at famous killers and criminals, you find guys getting caught because they crave credit and accolades because they are ego driven.

Anonymity adds to the purity of ideals and actions. It wasn’t about fame, or ego, it was about striking a blow against an evil, corrupt system that increases human misery to increase profits. He has more power as an avenging avatar for every American who has been fucked over or bankrupted by our shitty for-profit healthcare system.

If he miraculously manages to disappear into the ether, is never caught and never reveals his identity, he’s reaches mythical status in a non-mythical age.

 

[unctuous mouthfeel]

Perhaps we should consider CEO compensation to be hazard pay and accept that the job carries the risk of a little guy with decent opsec splattering your brains on the sidewalk.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

People motivated into actions for fame or public adulation are shallow douchebags, not heroes. Real heroes are motivated or driven purely by ideals, love or injustice. The fame, public adulation, public scorn,
punishment or infamy that might result from their actions is incidental.

The fame and attention that can result from heroic actions or leadership is also one of its pitfalls, because it can corrupt or be a terrible influence on all but the strongest and moral. Being surrounded by hero worshipping lackeys and “yes men” is also very dangerous. Even when you just look at famous killers and criminals, you find guys getting caught because they crave credit and accolades because they are ego driven.

Anonymity adds to the purity of ideals and actions. It wasn’t about fame, or ego, it was about striking a blow against an evil, corrupt system that increases human misery to increase profits. He has more power as an avenging avatar for every American who has been fucked over or bankrupted by our shitty for-profit healthcare system.

If he miraculously manages to disappear into the ether, is never caught and never reveals his identity, he’s reaches mythical status in a non-mythical age.

"Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you." - Matthew 6:1-4

 

[neger psykolog]

Anonymity adds to the purity of ideals and actions. It wasn’t about fame, or ego, it was about striking a blow against an evil, corrupt system that increases human misery to increase profits. He has more power as an avenging avatar for every American who has been fucked over or bankrupted by our shitty for-profit healthcare system.

He's a more inspiring and relatable hero to me that anything I've seen come out of the media industry (video games + movies) or in reality in a long time - I'm not going to include people who donate to charity or volunteer their time to help others or people that run into a burning building and save 20 orphan babies or people who are good parents to their children because they are all awesome too, but this guy is on a very different level of being inspiring.

And to me he is inspiring not in that he had to resort to violence or that violence is the only way forward but that he could identify such a vulnerability and not harm anyone else. There may be ways to help improve the world without having to use violence if you try to adopt a similar mindset.

 

[Nameless One]

Lol, relax nigger. Nobody is getting “denied live saving care.”

When insurance companies deny claims it’s usually from fatsos who want surgery instead of eating properly, trannies who only got one letter from a psychiatrist instead of two or someone who wants the fanciest newest meds when the old ones work fine.

It’s wild how many people think that insurance companies are literally killing people or some shit like that.

Sure, and there is no war in Ba Sing Se. Mind posting your credentials? I can smell the corporate sponsorship, or maybe you're just retarded and lucked out. I love events like these because they straight up expose a lot of tards on KF who don't know what they're talking about. Oddly enough it happens to be oldfags.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

I really think the only/best thing that UnitedHealth can do is try to divest some parts of its business but I am not sure the CEO is actually even allowed to do that because of "fiduciary duty" -

They are not fully vertically integrated but vertical integration has been a multi-decade strategy that has waxed and waned - based on government/agency appetite to permit or deny. Until 10-12 years ago UHG had paused trying a hard push to full vertical integration as a corporate strategy, primarily due to government scrutiny and pushback. It was only when state and Fed agencies stopped preventing it (reduced refusing to approve M&A deals on antitrust or other grounds, or requiring significant divestitures in exchange for approval of a new deal) that UHG really accelerated. UHG grew - heavily due to acquisition activity, approved by government - from around 80,000 employees in 2009 to around 156,000 in 2013 to around 440,000 today across all of UHG, to give a sense of scale.

And divestiture of businesses or markets doesn't violate corporate fiduciary duty. Why would it?

there's an interesting explanation of the current profit level of UnitedHealth and other similar companies and how COVID impacted it (TLDR: no one went to doctors during COVID leading to record profits, now people are going to the doctor a lot more than before):

This is interesting. And post-covid, once virtual visits were normalized for certain (many) types of appointments, actually getting to a doc appt became much easier for many (or at least for me). But yeah, the MCR increased significantly after covid, even above the pre-covid rates, per the Forbes data, so they obvs made other changes to get that number up, coverage policies and claims analysis included. "Value-based care" is this decade's "evidence-based medicine" - something that can theoretically be a positive, but applied mechanistically can have terrible individual impacts.

Spoiler: Coverage controversy

Also interesting and mentioned in the article, in 2021 they announced changes to ER coverage language around retroactive reviews of ER claims, which would likely have had the effect of reducing (limiting covered amounts to non-emergency care amounts) paid claims for non-critical use of emergency rooms, urging individuals to utilize urgent care and primary care for non-emergency needs*.

*People using the ER for minor issues/ primary care is often discussed (incl. here) as a meaningful problem. The article cites a 2018 release that that is "only" 6% of all ER visits, the largest portion of which fall in the Medicaid/adjacent space (second largest, and close in %, is standard commercial E&I coverage-holders), but overall it has a cost of $32B industry-wide, with (as of 2019, per UHC) 18 million avoidable ER visits for 10 common reasons treatable at primary care: bronchitis, cough, dizziness, flu, headache, low back pain, nausea, sore throat, strep throat, and upper respiratory infection. The announced changes were to have applied to only to commercial customers, not insureds under government programs.

Whether that data reflects impact from covered individuals or all individuals (meaning uninsured as well), unpaid bills put pressure on providers to (try to) negotiate with insurers for higher billed costs/rates for covered individuals, to offset some of those unpaid and uncollectible amounts.

Also interesting is that coming off of COVID, overall emergency room visits were way down, meaning a potentially significant hit to provider revenue compared to 2020. So everyone has multiple agendas.

In any case, UHC, after blowback from industry medical groups, paused the change in terms. 6ish months later, UHC stated via letter that their intention had been to revise terms per Fed legal guidance, not radically change coverage, and re-revised their terms. Excerpt from the letter under BT's name announcing re-revision is in the article, but the link to the full letter is dead. Seems sus that their very skilled lawyers would have just blown interpretation of the guidance, but in any case, they rolled it back (whether fixing a fuck up or changing approach on that point) in Jan 2022.

Pause: https://www.healthcaredive.com/news...oversial-er-policy-following-backlash/601629/

Revision:

https://www.healthcaredive.com/news/unitedhealthcare-emergency-coverage-AHA-hospital-billing/616601/

 

[Fluffy Yaks]

People get shot all the time in the USA and the police do nothing; only the wealthy get such a publicized and days long man hunt.
Actually fucking retarded.

I hope at least one of the cops on the case is throwing.

 

[Fapcop]

It's downright disgusting the RINO wing of the party seem to want us to forget all of the events of 2020-2022 and go back to the good old days of fellating CEO's while they screw over the country just to hit some measly 3-5% profit target

Surprise, surprise: Private healthcare means companies trying to earn a buck?

So what’s the alternative? Total government control? You want a giant bureaucracy running hospitals and clinics instead?

If you don’t like dealing with an insurance company, good luck trying to convince some government bureaucrat that the state needs to pay for your ozempic instead of getting some exercise.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

It’s wild how many people think that insurance companies are literally killing people or some shit like that.

It’s more common that people die because they don’t want to bankrupt their families or leave a mountain of debt. Insurance companies won’t outright deny a life saving surgery or treatment, but they will tell you they will only cover 20 or 50% of its costs and you need to figure out how to pay for the remaining $200k or whatever. It puts people in the position of choosing life/ quality of life vs financial ruin.

Also the fact the govt mandates that Medicaid cover shit like trans-surgeries and weight loss for fatties enrages people. The guy who worked for 40 years and needs heart surgery needs to cough up $50k after insurance, but a troon or obese bum gets their self-inflicted bullshit paid for by tax dollars. The reason you see so many troon surgeries now is because Medicaid started covering it. 80% of the fatties on MSHPL move to Texas so they can get Texas Medicaid to pay for their care. (Sometimes they can get their own state Medicaid to pay him if nobody in their own state will touch them). Medicaid pays for Omzepic for poor fatties, but the diabetic nurse with private insurance has to pay $500 a month to get it because Rx coverage sucks as bad as medical

People who have to pay for costly private health insurance get shafted all the time, while poor people get 100% coverage via the govt. Average Americans think the govt should ensure they should get the same kind of full coverage the homeless junkie or bedbound obese fast food monster, that’s never paid a dime in taxes or worked a job, gets.

 

[Your Girlfriend's Dad]

Lol, relax nigger. Nobody is getting “denied live saving care.”

When insurance companies deny claims it’s usually from fatsos who want surgery instead of eating properly, trannies who only got one letter from a psychiatrist instead of two or someone who wants the fanciest newest meds when the old ones work fine.

It’s wild how many people think that insurance companies are literally killing people or some shit like that.

“Wahhh I went to the closest ER because I’m a lazy fuck, instead of going to the one my Insurance has a contract with! I got treatment and now I need to pay myself, this is literal GENOCIDE!”

As the mother fucker who is principally responsible for getting people to the ER: You have no fucking idea what you're on about. EMTALA is supposed to be some kind of shield for people to cover emergency care. It is the law that determines that hospitals that take any Medicare funding must provide definitive care prior to discharging or transferring to another facility, regardless of the patient's ability to pay. In a perfect world, with provisions laid out in the ACA, this would require insurers to pay out for definitive care regardless of their network agreements with a medical facility prior to demanding moving to another facility.

Here's the rub: In or out of network insurers are itemizing and attacking what is "medically necessary" almost entirely on whether or not they can walk out of the situation maintaining a profit margin. The level of their burden of medical knowledge is whether or not they can get some scumfuck MD to sign their names next to something an adjuster doesn't financially like as medically unnecessary. We should hang those MDs first.

Regardless of whether or not they said that they can cover a given facility in network, they retroactively are picking apart certain treatments as the medical staff is attempting to perform them live. This is so pants-on-head backwards that if you believe this is a feasible system you are either retarded, subhuman, facetious, or all of the above.

You should reconsider you position on Healthcare and insurance just prior to reconsidering and apprehensions you've ever had about suicide.

 

[cybertoaster]

The level of corpo dicksucking from some in this thread its concerning...

"A professional wouldn't have been on camera"

There are cameras everywhere now, its impossible, and jamming a camera is asking for attention, better to just wear a hat, mask and sunglasses.

There is no correct answer that makes everything better other than a drastic remodelling of the entire system.

Which hardly ever happens voluntarily...

You can't just have Japanese Public Transport without Japanese Politeness, Japanese High Trust and Japanese Face Saving Culture.

You can if you enforce the norms, see singapore.

Lolbergs are the flat-earthers of politics.

They are what the commies are to economics, they believe everything will magically work.

but I have a serious illness that requires constant treatment

Which one? unless its a super-rare 1 in 100 million case I doubt you'll be doxing yourself.

but I'm pretty sure the narrative would be quite different and you'd see a lot less praise for the shooter. The racism angle would definitely be played into, that's not even up for debate.

Nah, kamala fucking up the election and allowing trump to win basically killed the race card for rich black assholes, lefties are done looking the other way. The left has shown they will kick blacks and jews into a bottomless pit when convenient to them.

You are probably a rich kid whose mommy and daddy pays for everything, so you have never had to deal with health insurance companies trying to fuck you on coverage.

Or he's ghetto/trailer trash getting medicaid.

I don't weep for this guy, but I don't like the idea of the US turning into a 3rd world country where hits like this become commonplace.

Been there, didn't see that. The people in those countries are incredibly sheepish which is why they get fucked all the time. When you hear about some c-suite getting killed in those places it was almost always the government sending a message ("shoulda paid the bribe") the mafia/narcos ("shoulda paid the protection money") or kidnappers, most of the time retired cops who wont be prosecuted by their friends even if they put a bullet on the rich guy's head and dump the body in the middle of the street, tho sometimes its some terrorist group that needs the money or wants to make a statement.

The 54-year-old former AstraZeneca employee

pharmaceutical exec

“I’m being ripped off,” Dynlacht told the Times. “It’s not right.”

"What you fucking deserve moment"

Seriously, this guy was part of the system but thought he was high enough to get special treatment and is now malding that he's getting the same treatment as the rest of the plebs.

go read those med student fora where they just masturbate over the hourly rate for various specialties

Link me.

you can identify people who wear face masks

Not if you wear sunglasses, anyway, the chicom have been bragging about being able to identify people according to gait patterns. I would normally call BS but they are pretty advanced in that area.

What will Elon’s bullets have engraved on them?

Much scare

Such concern

Wow

little meme I made:
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Go post it on trannysky, see how long it takes them to ban you.

 

[niggyfaggot]

Unless you are a lefty you’re a complete idiot for appreciating this in any way. Left wing violence and assassinations are bad, always. Anyone who isn’t a lefty and doesn’t take notice of who supports this is also a retard. The people who support it are losers who you could be sharing a shallow grave with.

Last thing you should want is a bunch of little john browns or a bleeding kansas situation. Best case scenario is you’re ignorant of the history of left wing terrorism (it is something they genuinely don’t teach in schools) like the LA Times bombing, Sacco&Vanzetti, or simply the generic left wing playbook to amass the scum of the Earth and use their presence to bypass the normal levels of power.

Impulsive “I just wanna see things happen” or “here’s how this is still based” nonsense is extraordinarily low iq behavior but I know I’ll win few friends pointing this out.

>Le...Lefty!
Lol, lmao even. Take a hike kike.

 

[Rei is Shit.]

It looks like the bus the suspect took could have taken him to "New Jersey, north toward Boston or south toward Philadelphia and Washington, D.C."

Laughed out loud reading this. He could have gone west, north or south. I guess they were able to rule out going east as he got on a bus instead of a boat.

 

[Kalamazoo 2 Timbuktu]

Perhaps we should consider CEO compensation to be hazard pay and accept that the job carries the risk of a little guy with decent opsec splattering your brains on the sidewalk.

As long as no taxpayer funds are wasted using any social services to find the person whom helped them meet their end, or taking up space in our hospitals.

I’d like to say, just leave them where they lay and step over them, but leaving rotting corpses laying around is how disease spreads.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLyI-LGJc1k

 

[Google.com]

You want a giant bureaucracy running hospitals and clinics instead?

Thank god we don't have a giant over bloated bureaucracy in charge of healthcare.


I wouldn't want to be waiting weeks to see my doctor like in those evil socialist commie countries with public funded healthcare.

 

[ForTheHoard]

Shooting someone in the back is a faggot bitch move.

You know who else felt that way? The British sniper that didn't shoot George Washington in 1777. Now, look at Great Britain.

That's where your ideology gets you.

 

[Fapcop]

People who have to pay for costly private health insurance get shafted all the time, while poor people get 100% coverage via the govt. Average Americans think the govt should ensure they should get the same kind of full coverage the homeless junkie or bedbound obese fast food monster, that’s never paid a dime in taxes or worked a job, gets.

Great. And who’s going to pay for it? Healthcare spending was close to 5 trillion dollars last year.

Let’s pretend that a billion of that was pure profits by those mean insurers, so that’s 4 trillion dollar extra in the federal budget.

Do you want to pay 10.000$ more in taxes every year for a shitty system with waiting lists like Canada?

By all means then go ahead and vote for one of the Democrats who wants total government healthcare.

 

[Conan]

>Le...Lefty!
Lol, lmao even. Take a hike kike.

faggots thinking blasting usurers is a left wing ideal


"Reports are coming in from Jerusalem that an unknown man assaulted innocent money changers inside the Temple this morning.
Authorities need your help to identify this dangerous man."

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

Carving "delay" and "deny" on the shell casings is ... damn, making me smile.

 

[Homegrown Homophobia]

Surprise, surprise: Private healthcare means companies trying to earn a buck?

So what’s the alternative? Total government control? You want a giant bureaucracy running hospitals and clinics instead?

If you don’t like dealing with an insurance company, good luck trying to convince some government bureaucrat that the state needs to pay for your ozempic instead of getting some exercise.

Good thing I live an active lifestyle and exercise 5-6 days a week, never need to go to the doctor and aren't a drain on a healthcare system whether it be public or private which is probably way more than you can say for your weak sounding, geriatric ass.

Why do you immediately go to the extreme, single payer healthcare/NHS hellscape boomercon talking point and assume I, and others would want that too? There's such a thing as shades of grey and moderate healthcare reform you know. Also pretty fucking funny and 100% disingenuous you're acting as if American healthcare providers are acting in a complete free market and not a monopoly that the government also has it's hand in fucking up too.