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I’ve always wanted a Golden Age Superman where Clark is a noir crime drama protagonist, black and white, trench coat and hat, who’s got the limited Golden Age Superman powers, tough but not indestructible.

Superman Noir pretty much.
 
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I’ve always wanted a Golden Age Superman where Clark is a noir crime drama protagonist, black and white, trench coat and hat, who’s got the limited Golden Age Superman powers, tough but not indestructible.

Superman Noir pretty much.
I've thought about that before, it's a missed opportunity they've never rolled out an elseworlds ongoing like that. it would kick ass. there's plenty of variety and cool stuff you could do with golden age superman but the only stuff they've done the last 20 years were the novel It's Superman! which is very good but he's hardly in it for long stretches it's mainly about some deadbeat, War of the Worlds which is a cool little one and done where HG Wells' WotW unfolds in a golden age superman universe, and the Superman smashes the KKK book, which is fine for what it is, an update to the radio show episodes it's based on as a comic for small children but it really reads like one.

A hard boiled noir story with Clark as an investigative reporter going undercover and running across some kind of criminal conspiracy would be a really good arc. him going around beating the shit out of some hoods on the way and the people in charge trying to figure out why the fuck they can't get the guy busting up their operations killed or figure out who the hell he is.
 
So Gunn wants to be U.S. version of Mamoru Oshii who had stuck his dog into everything he had done?
At least Oshii made legitimate greatness with Beautiful Dreamer, Patlabor, Ghost in the Shell, Angels Egg among others, even if I think his live action work has been mediocre.

what has Gunn given the world? Tromeo & Juliet, Slither and Scooby fuckin' Doo?

in one hand, the red pill. it's patlabor 2. the other, the blue pill. guardians of the galaxy 2.
 
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At least Oshii made legitimate greatness with Beautiful Dreamer, Patlabor, Ghost in the Shell, Angels Egg among others, even if I think his life action work has been mediocre.
I would swipe out Angel Egg for Dallos as is it comprehensible to understand as a not!knock-off of Moon is a Harsh Mistress. And it get the LoGH fanboys seething as it is the first OVA created not LoGH. Also swipe out GitS for his Kerberos Saga as it is all Oshii's work.
 
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CW Superman and Dragon Ball Daima are kicking James Gunn creature commandos woke slop. It’s the official first of the DCU reboot at that.
 
the nolan movies are serious but there is a lot of levity at least in the first two. none of it is gut busting hilarious but some of it is legitimately kinda funny and it keeps them from being miserable to sit through
Batman growling to wannabe vigilantes: "I don't need help."
Dr. Crane, sitting in the corner: "Not my diagnosis."

Batman staring at Joker menacingly: "Let her go!"
Joker: "Very poor choice of words!"
Rachel Dawes: "WAAAaaaaa
aaaaaa!"


Yes - they had their humour. But you know the reason why you can't get an unironic comic book movie these days full well. It's because they're embarrassed by them.
 
I would swipe out Angel Egg for Dallos as is it comprehensible to understand as a not!knock-off of Moon is a Harsh Mistress. And it get the LoGH fanboys seething as it is the first OVA created not LoGH. Also swipe out GitS for his Kerberos Saga as it is all Oshii's work.
I almost put Dallos but couldn't remember what the fuck it was called. Kerberos is really hit or miss for me I haven't read it but I like Jin-Roh and Red Spectacles but the rest I could take or leave. but that's neither here nor there, my point is Oshii rules and Gunn I legitimately think his best movie is Scooby Doo and that isn't saying much. lol

Yes - they had their humour. But you know the reason why you can't get an unironic comic book movie these days full well. It's because they're embarrassed by them.
what works about the BB & TDK humor is it all comes from character stuff without being ironic or self parodic. like when Batman crashes that Lamborghini in the second one and Gordon is like that's a brave thing you did Mr. Wayne and he's just pretending like he was just being a drunk rich irresponsible dude and Gordon's like wtf are the odds this dumbass happened to do this at the right time. or when that guy is like you can't swim in our fountains and he's like fuck it it's my fountain here's half a billion dollars this hotel is mine now. Gordon blowing shit up and being like damn I gotta get me one of these talking about the batmobile, joker's "pencil trick". it's all natural stuff that is funny. it's also why in the early mcu stuff RDJ's Iron Man works is because that guy would be saying shit like he does, it's just later the cadence of the humor stopped being natural character stuff to become let's pause the movie for a second and point and laugh at something.
 
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I’ve always wanted a Golden Age Superman where Clark is a noir crime drama protagonist, black and white, trench coat and hat, who’s got the limited Golden Age Superman powers, tough but not indestructible.

Superman Noir pretty much.
I've thought about that before, it's a missed opportunity they've never rolled out an elseworlds ongoing like that. it would kick ass. there's plenty of variety and cool stuff you could do with golden age superman but the only stuff they've done the last 20 years were the novel It's Superman! which is very good but he's hardly in it for long stretches it's mainly about some deadbeat, War of the Worlds which is a cool little one and done where HG Wells' WotW unfolds in a golden age superman universe, and the Superman smashes the KKK book, which is fine for what it is, an update to the radio show episodes it's based on as a comic for small children but it really reads like one.

A hard boiled noir story with Clark as an investigative reporter going undercover and running across some kind of criminal conspiracy would be a really good arc. him going around beating the shit out of some hoods on the way and the people in charge trying to figure out why the fuck they can't get the guy busting up their operations killed or figure out who the hell he is.
I would be interested in a story where Superman lands in a Sword and Sorcery style Earth. Same powers and weaknesses. His vulnerability to magic would force him to find ways to counter it and perhaps learn some spells too. It would be an interesting spin. Could definitely work, better than any story where he is evil or something anyway.
 
I would be interested in a story where Superman lands in a Sword and Sorcery style Earth. Same powers and weaknesses. His vulnerability to magic would force him to find ways to counter it and perhaps learn some spells too. It would be an interesting spin. Could definitely work, better than any story where he is evil or something anyway.
closest thing to that off the top of my head is Superman: Kal. I liked it a lot the one time I read it but it was 15 years ago. really all of these kind of ideas lend themselves better to elseworlds ongoings than one shots though. it would be super (pun intended I guess) cool to see a 2/3 year long run of these kinds of things with a growing world, developments and different kinds of stories taking place in whatever alternate setting. I think a lot of people would probably really get into some in their own continuity and settings ongoings. they always just do them as one shots/ogns, or a couple of miniseries where I think you could really get some mileage out of a lot of this shit.


I remember when first wave came out, I thought it was a missed opportunity to not do a follow up series with gun toting 1930s batman blasting gangsters. first wave wasn't very good and the only spin off was a spirit book, and i think maybe that was around the time the frank miller movie came out so maybe that's why that series actually got made but regardless, i'd have read the hell out of it if they had made it.
 

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closest thing to that off the top of my head is Superman: Kal. I liked it a lot the one time I read it but it was 15 years ago. really all of these kind of ideas lend themselves better to elseworlds ongoings than one shots though. it would be super (pun intended I guess) cool to see a 2/3 year long run of these kinds of things with a growing world, developments and different kinds of stories taking place in whatever alternate setting. I think a lot of people would probably really get into some in their own continuity and settings ongoings. they always just do them as one shots/ogns, or a couple of miniseries where I think you could really get some mileage out of a lot of this shit.


I remember when first wave came out, I thought it was a missed opportunity to not do a follow up series with gun toting 1930s batman blasting gangsters. first wave wasn't very good and the only spin off was a spirit book, and i think maybe that was around the time the frank miller movie came out so maybe that's why that series actually got made but regardless, i'd have read the hell out of it if they had made it.
Another good one would have been a Sword and Sorcery Batman as an alchemist/enchanter/magic blacksmith that wants to bring down evil mages.
 
I keep seeing clips of Creature Commandos linked in various places, and the humor might be the least funny thing I've ever heard. Like the jokes are painful to listen to, and they keep going, and going.

New DCU off to a great start. Can we just pack it all in, declare cape shit dead and let it go back to being niche?
 
The Batman, which I didn't love but liked well enough suffered from this problem where the movie is about Batman's role and place in the world by the end, just make a movie where Batman is Batman and does, Batman shit.
Batman live-action films have been screwed since the one-two punch of Batman & Robin's failure and Nolan's success. Barring Synder (and the Bat-adjacent films) as that Batman didn't really do anything, Batman is stuck as a realistic crime drama which is getting extremely stale. It is the Long Halloween 20 times over, but missing the point in how the crazier elements of Batman overtake the more grounded mob stories.

Maybe an unpopular opinion, but I have never cared that much for the mob stories with Batman. Pretty much all the most interesting material comes after, which is why being stuck in the perpetual loop of the grounded elements really hurts the IP for me. My personal take with Batman is that the best elements are when you either dive into the psychological horror aspect or go into Bat-Dad, preferably both in one outing.

While not the greatest, I do also miss Burton and how much he really defined Gotham. Every Batman adaptation these days makes Gotham so generic, a basic city with a black filter. Gotham should be a wonderland from hell, yet only Burton, BTAS, The Batman (2004), LEGO Batman [2008] and the Arkham series ever really make me feel that. I wish Batman would take more from the Arkham side and delve into the Alice in Wonderland comparisons, really just take from Burton or American McGee Alice for a general feel.

I don't understand what is so fucking hard about just doing a superman story or whatever.
Superman got the reputation for being boring, so they keep trying to reinvent the wheel to make him cool or relatable.

Like Batman, he suffers from the realism stick and the perpetual reuse of 1-2 stories to define him, or not really define him.

Like Gotham, Metropolis suffers from the generic-fication of superhero cities. It should be the Golden City, a perfect meet up of 50s idealism of what the city of tomorrow would be. Nowadays it is a city with the Daily Planet in the middle.

For story potential, I fear the more conservative and genuine nature of Superman is exactly why Hollyweird cannot comprehend him. The man has tons of relatability one can dive into if they care. You can tackle the immigrant angle, the small town vs big business angle, hell you can focus on Clark and Lois and make a pretty decent Hallmark film. All of this is available without even getting into the more cosmic elements.
 
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Superman got the reputation for being boring, so they keep trying to reinvent the wheel to make him cool or relatable.

Like Batman, he suffers from the realism stick and the perpetual reuse of 1-2 stories to define him, or not really define him

I’ve always been baffled by how people at WB hold that opinion. Sure, it’s fine for random, casual fans to think Superman is boring or that Batman should only be "realistic" and "gritty". It’s expected that casual fans won’t know beyond a surface level. The issue is that the people making these movies, and the ones calling the shots, are dumb enough to think the same. I facepalmed hard when Snyder said so, and he was the lead of the DCEU.

If you’re making DC superhero movies, your job is to change the opinion of the masses with good product, not follow the Twitter consensus. Point is, the people who truly love these characters and want to do something beyond redoing origin stories ad nauseum aren’t the ones calling the shots. DC superheroes can, and have been, in countless crazy adventures. But all WB does is repeat the same bland formulas over and over again. It’s like we’re stuck in a time loop.

Like others have said, I would take demon joker, and superman in sorcery world, over yet another "back to basics" story over, and over again.
 

‘Clayface’ Movie Officially Underway at DC Studios With Mike Flanagan Writing​


Fresh off the success of the HBO series “The Penguin,” DC Studios has officially greenlit a feature film centered around Clayface, the shapeshifting Batman villain, from a script written by “Doctor Sleep” filmmaker Mike Flanagan, according to a source with direct knowledge of the production. Plot details are scarce, but filming is expected to begin early next year.

Matt Reeves and Lynn Harris will produce through their company 6th & Idaho Productions.

Flanagan, who first pitched DC Studios on a Clayface project in 2023, tweeted in 2021 that he was “really keen to do a standalone Clayface movie as a horror/thriller/tragedy.” But he is already committed to write and direct a new take on “The Exorcist” for Universal, through Blumhouse and Morgan Creek, and he’s also developing a series adaptation of Stephen King’s novel “Carrie” for Amazon MGM Studios. So DC has been on the hunt for a director to take the reins, and an announcement is imminent.

A representative for DC Studios had no comment.



Clayface, one of the earliest Batman antagonists, has passed through several iterations since he was introduced in 1940, as a washed-up actor who turns to crime wearing the claylike mask of a character he once played. The character’s shapeshifting abilities were first introduced in 1961, and he’s been portrayed in many live-action and animated “Batman” adaptations, including by Ron Perlman on “Batman: The Animated Series” in the 1990s, by Brian McManamon on the 2010s Fox series “Gotham,” and most recently by Alan Tudyk on the Max animated comedy “Harley Quinn.”

The decision to greenlight the project is the strongest signal yet that DC Studios co-chiefs James Gunn and Peter Safran intend the studio to incorporate a wide assortment of storytelling tones. “One of the main things I want to establish is that you can do anything at DC Studios,” Gunn recently told Variety while discussing his animated series “Creature Commandos,” the first official title in the new DC Universe. “We can make complete family fare. We can make something that’s for general audiences, like ‘Superman.’ We can make something that’s violent and sexual, like this. … It’s about creating a world in which we can tell the story about, you know, one type of character in different genres.”

Mixed feeling on this, it's nice this is a project that is creatively lead, rather than studio saying we want a Clayface movie, but other hand do people really want this movie even if it turns out good?
 
DC's plans are getting so convoluted that the Teen Titans Go movie has aged perfectly; Superman's father is gonna get a Max show at this point. Also it says a lot about the success of Creature Commandos when this site isn't even interested in Alogging it 😬
 
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