Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[teriyakiburns]

there aren't really any alternatives

Just repeating this lie over and over doesn't make it true, you absolute fucking moron.

 

[TaimuRadiu]

Just repeating this lie over and over doesn't make it true, you absolute fucking moron.

If there were, we wouldn't have what we have now. The only actual "alternatives" seem to be from religiously motivated people, and they usually end up making everything worse.

 

[Mandy Stroyer]

Maybe it's the schizo in me but psychiatry is not a beacon of solid logic. They are shills like most of the medical industry. Three intake forms and popping into someone's office for 15 minutes at most once a month does not give them the proper idea of how to treat you, especially as a mentally ill individual who is not going to be fully transparent or communicate well. Unless you are fully aware of your issue and specific in what you need, you are going to be a lifelong patient. I don't expect porn obsessed men or traumatized preteen girls to know how to properly convey that they need help to a psychiatrist. They are completely unaware of themselves and all the psych sees is a walking dollar sign.

I don't care how long x treatment has been available, if there's new (weak, biased, culture dependent) studies on how peepee affects poopoo. Psychiatry will never be 100% correct in anything. Some odd decades ago we thought sticking icepicks into people's eyeballs to scramble their brain would fix them. Then it was electrocution and magnets and medication and now ketamine and chopping your cock off but trust me guys we totally got it right this time!

 

[teriyakiburns]

If there were, we wouldn't have what we have now. The only actual "alternatives" seem to be from religiously motivated people, and they usually end up making everything worse.

The normal treatment right up to the mid 2000s was therapy, same as any other body dysmorphia. Sex change surgery was rightly seen as cosmetic body modification and was not used as a "treatment" for anything other than sexual gratification, until financially motivated lobbyists managed to spread the idea far enough through the institutions to begin its normalisation.

 

[TaimuRadiu]

The normal treatment right up to the mid 2000s was therapy, same as any other body dysmorphia. Sex change surgery was rightly seen as cosmetic body modification and was not used as a "treatment" for anything other than sexual gratification, until financially motivated lobbyists managed to spread the idea far enough through the institutions to begin its normalisation.

No, SRS dates from the 20s and there was an increase in that in the 1970s. SRS was considered the proper treatment starting in the 1970s.

 

[Miriam Margoyles]

I read an article today from a leftist feminist, and one of the things she was kvetching about (obviously) was men, but she specifically said cisgender men.

I've noticed this has started becoming more common. In previous years, feminists would have no problem calling out men as a group. But of course they meant cisgender men, and now with trans ideology as leftist dogma they need to specify that it's a certain kind of man that murders and rapes and sexually assaults women: cisgender men, of course!

I rolled my eyes but the more I thought about it, the more amusing it became. This Guardianista feminist handmaiden plainly implied "oh, I don't mean trans men do the murdering and raping and sexual assaulting of women, I meant real men, you know?"

tl;dr Leftist feminists now so played by their own handmaidening they now have their own notallmen hashtag.

This line of thinking was one of the first things that peaked me, back in the day.

If you state that this issue is with the behaviour of men, you always, always, always get some whiny penis-nigger (who is usually, but not always a male feminist) in your mentions, "Well, ackshually..."-ing you about how it's #notallmen and they're a good boy who dindu nuffin.

The trans and non-binary shit literally provides those little shitweasels with an escape hatch, conveniently enabling them to opt out of their male privilege on paper while still retaining it in practice. It is a magical 'good boy' shield, which allows them not only to no longer be culpable for male oppression against women, but also allows THEM to call out those behaviours in other men from an assumed place of untouchable authority, as if they themselves are not often actively and constantly doing the same thing. "Um, ackshually, sweaty, I don't - and have never - expressed toxic masculinity, because I am not ackshually a man. Checkmate, atheists."

So you get individuals like this, making TikToks like this, making a woman's joke about men like him.

No other form of oppression works this way.

 

[teriyakiburns]

SRS dates from the 20s

So does drinking radium to cure lethargy.

there was an increase in that in the 1970s

Because it was profitable.

SRS was considered the proper treatment starting in the 1970s.

And this is the lie. Sex change surgery was not considered a valid treatment for dysphoria. It was a cosmetic surgery, that people justified by claiming it was a cure for their problems, but it was not sanctioned as any sort of legitimate treatment. The only reason it was available at all was because of the presence of private healthcare in a lot of western countries, which allows people to get anything they want as long as they pay enough money. Whence the lobbying to have it accepted as a treatment, because that increases the market. The normal treatment until the mid 2000s for all body dysmorphias, which includes "gender dysphoria", was some variation of cognitive behavioural therapy or treatments for anxiety, which tends to be the root of most dysmorphias.

 

[TaimuRadiu]

So does drinking radium to cure lethargy.


Because it was profitable.


And this is the lie. Sex change surgery was not considered a valid treatment for dysphoria. It was a cosmetic surgery, that people justified by claiming it was a cure for their problems, but it was not sanctioned as any sort of legitimate treatment. The only reason it was available at all was because of the presence of private healthcare in a lot of western countries, which allows people to get anything they want as long as they pay enough money. Whence the lobbying to have it accepted as a treatment, because that increases the market. The normal treatment until the mid 2000s for all body dysmorphias, which includes "gender dysphoria", was some variation of cognitive behavioural therapy or treatments for anxiety, which tends to be the root of most dysmorphias.

It was considered a valid treatment, which is why there was an uptick in trannies in the 70s, after the Harry Benjamin standards of care dropped.

 

[teriyakiburns]

NPC it is. Moving on...

 

[2mm and 99 others]

After all those tens of thousands of pages full of materials, it feels like after reading the Quran and all hadiths in original and in the order that is assumed to be correct, studying which verses are valid and which were replaced by newer ones and learning everything about prophets life and islamic expansion, you were told by a retard lefty, that you are just hateful, close minded and apparently haven't studied islam enough, otherwise you'd inevitably love it.

 

[DavidS877]

Lobotomy was a treatment for mental illnesses until they realized it was doing more harm than good. Including in some cases as a 'cure' for homosexuality.

 

[Space Police]

So if these were just people who were crossdressing, doing all the trans stuff, yet going "I'm still a boy" you would be OK with that?

Why not? As long as they're paying for HRT and surgery out-of-pocket, who am I to infringe on their choices? You can't control what people wear either unless it violates obscenity laws.

idk anymore with you space opera fags

Marge? What is this supposed to mean?

It was considered a valid treatment, which is why there was an uptick in trannies in the 70s, after the Harry Benjamin standards of care dropped.

Are you poonscum (truscum pooner)? They're the only ones who praise Harry Benjamin.

 

[deermeat]

Another thing about troons and poons that is upsetting and I wish other (actual) minorities would point out is that.... These people do not care about you. They always post about "solidarity" and talk about being a collective, fighting for a cause, how their lives are at risk, how much they love one another and are in this together... But that's not true.
It is full of well off people who are truly the most hateful and spiteful, unforgiving, and downright mean.
You do something wrong to them, no matter what position you were in at the time, and they'll hold onto it for years later. You can't treat them the same way without being labeled /mocked for being so obsessive, no matter how bad what they did was. They expect you to be forgiving, to coddle them, to do anything for them, but not you- even when you have had every excuse in the world to behave the way you did, given the irl situation you were put through, given the lack of support, given the invisibility.

Now, I have no idea how in-group dymanics work for cults. I know how cults work but I have no idea how they treat each other in them. But I feel like calling troons a cult is wrong- as troon idealogy is worse than a cult, they don't care about each other. They aren't a collective. They are there for one another as long as the other people are 100% yesman and nothing less. They;ll leave you to die, leave you to literally rot mentally and physically, all because you were a bit of an ass- yaknow, back when life has been hell.

It's one thing to have that mentality, imo it is fair to have it, you don't owe anyone forgiveness.. But you DO owe forgiveness, you owe compassion and you are in debt for another person if you preach an ideology that says their behavior is excusable because of their poor mental state. You owe solidarity, you owe other people your attention. They don't do that though. They just want things their way, they want everyone to be forgiving toward them no matter how well off they are, but they don't want to ever forgive or help anyone who has suffered worse than them if that person was mean to them in the past.

According to them. a white biological male (who would later troon out) who lives with his middle class family (which would be considered upper middle class in this economy), who has friends both online and offline, with access to therapy and so on, is allowed to use people, is allowed to lie about others, and overall be manipulative, all because of his mental state.
So rightfully, someone (an actual minority) who has faced homelessness and don't hae a family, been through abuse, never had friends, is also excused in their poor behavoir. Right? I mean at least that person literally does not have access to mental health services nor a suppport system and had to figure out everything on their own. But no. Thats... Not the case. The well off troon is rxcusable, but the other person is bad. And if the other person points out the fucked up logic considering they have no one and are upset over the double standard, they are considered simply being manipuilative and somehow that means they never grown as a person. And not yaknow, that they just want support, especially from a group that keeps insisting they care and that we are in this "together".

I am not sure why more people are resentful over this, why more people aren't angry and cynical. Because for me it made me into the cynical person that I am today. Its one thing to go through things, it's another to be born in an era where progressive idealogy is popular and everyone is talking about how "much they care" and yet at every turn, you've been nonstop painted as some disgusting villian or whatever by those well off at the time, all the while their biggest "struggle" in life is being misgendered. I mean I have this one chick I dated back when I was FOURTEEN who still refuses to talk to me all these years later because I was toxic at the time while dealing with abuse, meanwhile she went to art school at an early age and all that. Im just an evil transphobe because at the time I was a transmed. Its like holy shit, are you serious? All these years later yet you still wanna be petty, and yet here you are reposting about how much you seemingly care about minorities. Gotcha.

This happened so many times, man. I hate to be dramatic or make things morbid but I always wonder if I ever kill myself, if these people would be there to repost it and act like an activist once I'm death. Funny how their friends keep 41%ing themselves and all they ever do is move on right away. Ive faced death of people I knew and I know grief hits differently, but Id never move on quickly the way they do- let alone make posts acting like the world killed them so publicly. They always seem completely unaffected the same way I see those in drug communities treat their jumkie friends who OD and die. Like feral animals, man. Causally walking around a corpse like it's nothing. You known that person, you were seemingly close, yet here you are posting selfies in outlandish makeup going to concerts and shit like nothing has ever happened.

 

[LimeRikki]

I don't give a fuck about "trans widows" anyway

Yeah, it's pretty hard to focus on how Women are negatively imapcted by all this when you're distracted by the tranny cock you slurped while writing this.

 

[Cemetery Support]

Has anyone ever written a thorough, systematic, categorical refutation of trans arguments, philosophy, and biological nonsense? I'm reading Trans by Helen Joyce right now. I like it, but it seems to be more of an ode to GC than what I'm looking for.

 

[Dilatortron3000]

Does estrogen really make troons shorter? Or is it just cope

 

[Tragi-Chan]

Does estrogen really make troons shorter?

No, but osteoporosis might.

 

[bad at usernames]

These people do not care about you. They always post about "solidarity" and talk about being a collective, fighting for a cause, how their lives are at risk, how much they love one another and are in this together... But that's not true.

Transgenderism is selfish on purpose, it’s supposed to be an isolating experience. It relies on people staking their identities on misdirected introspection and demanding that people sacrificing pre-existing values to conform to them. The ideology turns into your identity and that’s why there’s such a knee-jerk reaction when you expose flaws in the ideology. The ideology only takes and never gives, the ‘rights‘ they’re fighting for only serve to further their agenda; and because of that they believe love and compassion is protecting their ideology... because the ideology IS them.

That’s why you see a lot of trannies say something along the lines of ‘transgenderism doesn’t exist it’s not an ideology trans people are just people!’. Their ‘solidarity’ starts and ends in the bounds of transgenderism. It seeks to make people solipsistic and react adversely to outside input, thats why a lot of trannies think their hate and rancour is justified. They think because people want to dismantle transgenderism they also want every trans identified person lined up and shot like some LiveLeak video. It isolates them from friends and family, that’s why it’s sadly so common to see trans identified people withdraw socially and eventually end up committing suicide when they finally realise their mistake. It makes them become shells of their former self, because they’ve attached themselves to an ideology that’s been designed and socially engineered blow up in their face and make them miserable; and that’s also part of the reason why a lot of them can only comprehend things through the lens of transgenderism.

 

[Susanna]

Does estrogen really make troons shorter? Or is it just cope

No, but osteoporosis might.

The eunuch hunch is legitimately a thing. It’s called kyphosis and is caused by both weakening of the bones and reduction in supporting musculature. The effect is more pronounced the earlier the troon is castrated. Once you know to look for it, you’ll easily spot it in almost every single tranny.

They could correct their posture with exercises, but choose not to because it would make them slightly taller and broader around the shoulders. Being hunched over like a caveman is so much more feminine.

 

[Trapper]

@TaimuRadiu are you trans or a chaser, out of interest? If you are trans, can you elaborate on why you think you are a woman? Without relying on stereotypes or sexual fetish, can you explain why trans women feel this way? I’ve yet to encounter anyone with a decent answer to this question, and I want to be open minded. I’ve heard about people feeling they have a female essence, which even if true, why can it not be expressed in a natural way without medical help? Do you see male genes as a cancer that needs treatment?

What’s the betting kiwi farmers could come up with a more plausible and sympathetic explanation, even if they don’t believe it? I’ll take my puzzle pieces.