Off-Topic Tranny Biology - HRT Is Magic

[Not Dr. Evil]

The source of much of troon biology.

 

[TruffleSpark]

I guess this is the thread for this sort of thing, facebook is trying to define what a woman is:

Ok, so this is what started it, how will facebook respond:



I'm not really sure what "neurobiologically female" means, but maybe that's the point, it's vague enough that it could mean anything.

female is defined as not male, no definition is given for male though so this doesn't really seem to clarify anything.

 

[Dilatortron3000]

I guess this is the thread for this sort of thing, facebook is trying to define what a woman is:
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I'm not really sure what "neurobiologically female" means, but maybe that's the point, it's vague enough that it could mean anything.
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female is defined as not male, no definition is given for male though so this doesn't really seem to clarify anything.

A vegan is someone who identifies as a vegan

 

[TruffleSpark]

A vegan is someone who identifies as a vegan

The whole group is meant to mock that sort of joke, and yet they keep unironically doing it, I joined it before I peaked on trannied, but I stay because it is a goldmine of this sort of insanity. Most people there aren't trannies though, just well meaning but naive allies.

 

[SouthernBitchBob]

"Neurobiologically (opposite sex)" is woo-woo. It's the troon religion's attempt at inventing the soul. As that brain scan earlier upthread shows, troons at *most* lean on the feminine side of masculine (or the masculine side of feminine), not anywhere close to identical to the opposite sex.
If your brain is that of the opposite sex, then riddle me this: why did you go through an otherwise completely unremarkable puberty typical to your sex? Your girly feminine brain didn't forget to drop your balls. Your manly doodbrain put your breasts through all the tanner stages. How bizarre, it's so strange that your brain seems to be completely physically aligned with your sex. It's just the crazy person in the driver's seat that's the issue. Perhaps it's a...fetish?

 

[Jacques1194]

I guess this is the thread for this sort of thing, facebook is trying to define what a woman is:
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I'm not really sure what "neurobiologically female" means, but maybe that's the point, it's vague enough that it could mean anything.
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female is defined as not male, no definition is given for male though so this doesn't really seem to clarify anything.

So by these people's logic a schizophrenia person's hallucinations are real because they genuinely believe that they are real, or checkmate atheists because I genuinely believe God is real so that must mean he is real. I don't understand this dumb argument. A person strongly believes in something means that its real? Also, "neurobiologically female" goes back to the MRI thing. If TRAs are so confident in trans brain studies then they'd demand that MRI brain scans be a part of the gender affirming test. This would not only prove who's trans and who isn't but it would shut TERFs up. I hate how these people want to have it both ways. Brain scans are only good for studies on trans brains but not good enough for a psychologist to recommend a gender dysphoric patient to take one to confirm if their problems are really born with the wrong brain.
EDIT: Also another thing about trans brains is this. If its real then doesn't this contradict the concept of genderfluid? How can gender be both immutable and also fluid at the same time?

 

[SouthernBitchBob]

I have an idea for a study! How about we fire up those scanners and map brain activity for coomers cranking one out to the grossest porn they're accustomed to. Then we can also scan a tranny talking about "gender euphoria", or just after successfully creeping someone out in public. See if there's any correlation.

 

[Hassou Tobi]

"Neurobiologically (opposite sex)" is woo-woo. It's the troon religion's attempt at inventing the soul. As that brain scan earlier upthread shows, troons at *most* lean on the feminine side of masculine (or the masculine side of feminine), not anywhere close to identical to the opposite sex.
If your brain is that of the opposite sex, then riddle me this: why did you go through an otherwise completely unremarkable puberty typical to your sex? Your girly feminine brain didn't forget to drop your balls. Your manly doodbrain put your breasts through all the tanner stages. How bizarre, it's so strange that your brain seems to be completely physically aligned with your sex. It's just the crazy person in the driver's seat that's the issue. Perhaps it's a...fetish?

I’ve never understood the magic brain sex argument. Even if it were true (and that is big time ) umm we don’t separate men and women because of different brains. We can’t let people with male strength etc in women’s sports and prisons.

Just yes anding you, I guess.

 

[UncleTusky]

EDIT: Also another thing about trans brains is this. If its real then doesn't this contradict the concept of genderfluid? How can gender be both immutable and also fluid at the same time?

Your mistake was assuming troons follow any sort of logic: In their telling 'genderfluid' is both alternating between genders and its own distinct gender identity at the same time. It's ridiculous and gibberish but this is what they actually believe.

To pick a simple counterexample without leaving Rainbow Land: bisexuality is its own distinct sexual orientation and a bisexual person is bisexual regardless of who (if anyone) he or she is dating. If we applied troonacy to bisexuals they'd be rechristened as 'sexualityfluid' - straight when they are in opposite sex relationships or gay when they are in same sex relationships. Is this dumb? Absolutely and that just reinforces how 'genderfluid' is nonsense.

Back to your question about brains - the idea that there are innate, objectively measurable differences between men and TiMs or women and TiFs has been falling out of style or a while. The people pushing non-binary, genderfluid, etc. are the same ones pushing the argument that 'man' and 'woman' should be defined solely based entirely on self-ID. Don't ask how this squares with things like abortion/birth control/pregnancy care being women's issues, or HRT/SRS being a trans women's issue.

Now for some things I'd like answered:
1) What does 'gender affirming treatment' look like for someone claiming to be genderfluid? If his or her gender is prone to changing, then a treatment which is helpful today might be the last thing he or she wants next week. Does a doctor treating these loonies do nothing (and risk a discrimination suit) or provide treatment on the patient's gender of the week (and risk a malpractice suit when that changes)?
2) If a patient's gender, along with associated (self assessed) medical needs (or lack thereof), is prone to changing how can a doctor trust that the patient is telling the truth? Not a doctor here but a patient with unverifiable, constantly changing symptoms sure sounds like a munchie or drama queen.
3) Troonery is very often a comorbidity with one or more of autism, anorexia, depression, anxiety, and personality disorders. When Kate Strangio claims there is a 'strong biological basis' for troonery, how does she know the scientists didn't accidentally measure the genetic basis for autism or predisposition for anorexia/depression/anxiety?
4) The historical record for troons in the West is barely existent if not outright nonexistent pre-Lili Elbe, and scarce through the 1990s-early 2000s. Given that we have MIA troons here, how does that square with the 'strong biological basis'? One way to answer this question would be to point to medical phenomena, ideally prior to the 1930s, that make perfect sense in light of troonery being innate but are otherwise inexplicable or nearly inexplicable even with modern medicine.
5) Some of the diagnostic criteria for gender dysphoria in children include a preference for toys or hobbies normally associated with the opposite sex. Was medicine wrong twenty years ago when it said these were early warning signs for potential homosexuality/bisexuality, or is it wrong today when it says these are early warning signs for troonery?
6) Tying into question 5), if we can't tell the difference between early warning signs for troonery vs. early warning signs for LGB, why do we assume 'T' when 'LGB' is objectively lower risk? If Bobby thinks he's gay but later realizes he's straight, the only lasting damage is some embarrassing stories about ex-boyfriends. If Bobby thinks he's a woman but later realizes that's silly talk, the damage might take the form of moobs or even having his genitals removed.

ETA: Slight cleanup/added words in the last paragraph above, plus added last paragraph about genderfluid silliness.

 

[TruffleSpark]

Back to your question about brains - the idea that there are innate, objectively measurable differences between men and TiMs or women and TiFs has been falling out of style or a while. The people pushing non-binary, genderfluid, etc. are the same ones pushing the argument that 'man' and 'woman' should be defined solely based entirely on self-ID.

"Brain sex" was the mainstream view back when I first encountered trans ideology in the late 2000s, and for the life of me, I don't know how that didn't peak me then and there. I knew enough about biology and neuroplasticity even as a high schooler to see through that, but I guess I assumed that the self professed experts must know more than me. Anyway, it's falling out of fashion because it treats "trans" as something with actual falsifiable signifiers, I think only the transmedicalists still believe in that, and they're the minority these days. But the trenders still fall back to it when pushed into a corner in an argument, it's one of many beliefs in troon ideology that appears and disappears as needed.

 

[Procrastinhater]

So by these people's logic a schizophrenia person's hallucinations are real because they genuinely believe that they are real, or checkmate atheists because I genuinely believe God is real so that must mean he is real. I don't understand this dumb argument. A person strongly believes in something means that its real? Also, "neurobiologically female" goes back to the MRI thing. If TRAs are so confident in trans brain studies then they'd demand that MRI brain scans be a part of the gender affirming test. This would not only prove who's trans and who isn't but it would shut TERFs up. I hate how these people want to have it both ways. Brain scans are only good for studies on trans brains but not good enough for a psychologist to recommend a gender dysphoric patient to take one to confirm if their problems are really born with the wrong brain.
EDIT: Also another thing about trans brains is this. If its real then doesn't this contradict the concept of genderfluid? How can gender be both immutable and also fluid at the same time?
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They're just idiots. So indoctrinated they don't have the courage to actually voice what everyone, even they themselves, know is the fact.
They can performativly virtue signal as loud as they like, thats all it is, performative.
All they're doing is revealing they don't have the moral courage to state an objective fact for fear of being ostracised by their in group.
Theres a term for that sort of group.
A Cult.
As loud as they deny it, even they know what a woman is, they fucking hate it that they can't force everyone to play along with them.
Their attempt to do so has failed.
Now they're an already small and dwindling minority that is rapidly becoming nothing more than a walking punchline.

You can't identify yourself out of being fucking stupid I guess.

 

[Jacques1194]

Back to your question about brains - the idea that there are innate, objectively measurable differences between men and TiMs or women and TiFs has been falling out of style or a while. The people pushing non-binary, genderfluid, etc. are the same ones pushing the argument that 'man' and 'woman' should be defined solely based entirely on self-ID.

Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't non-binaries, genderfluids, etc the ones that pushed the whole "You don't need dysphoria to be trans." bullshit? I swear they started the tucute movement because they wanted trans to be something special and wanted no gate keeping just so they can not have people call out their bullshit.

Also, was unsure whether to put this in the pro trans memes or here since it is another insane trans biology claim they're making.

 

[Fire Flight]

I'm never really sure to what extent troons are describing actual side effects of HRT and to what extent they are just making shit up.

I've spoken with one about it and he described it as very uncomfortable and it giving him a headache, nothing about "periods" or anything like that.

 

[Hinttitroniikka]

I wonder how much peaking is going on in the liberal side of the peanut gallery as they watch people come out and say they believe in biological sex essentialism for trans people. I wonder what some of them would answer if asked something like, "What is a gender?" because I can't think of a circular way to answer it the way they do with "What is a woman?" specifically.

 

[SouthernBitchBob]

I have yet to hear a description of "gender" that didn't sound like a synonym for "personality". Every time I encounter it during my tumble down the troon rabbit hole it becomes more clear. It's the flailing of bored, rudderless modernity. You feel weird and special and like you don't fit in? Yeah, so does everyone else. It's a sign that you're a person, with personality traits that don't 100% fit a model gender studies weirdos have convinced you is a hard requirement for being your "gender". Getting a stupid haircut and calling yourself an alien doesn't make you one; it means you're on the hunt for attention. But no, this one specific delusion needs an entirely separate treatment pathway, one which validates it as an "identity". If I claim to be a lamppost, or a dog, or a black person, or the reincarnation of Dr. Seuss, we know that's nuts, and use a combination of drugs and therapy techniques to either convince me otherwise or at least help me manage the distress from being so wrong about reality. Fuck, we even know what plastic surgery addiction looks like! We have TLC shows about it! We know THAT is a problem. But the moment the plastic surgery is all about trooning out, wham, totally justified, poor thing, trying to bring out her True Inner Self.

I would love to know what the fuck dirt John Money had on the psych community that convinced them to play along with his quite plain misandrist autogynephilia and collectively decide to take him and his insane mad science experiment at his word that Akshewally he wasn't the crazy one, everyone -else- was.

 

[invisibult plus+]

I guess this is the thread for this sort of thing, facebook is trying to define what a woman is:
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They still didn’t identify what a woman actually is.

>”What is air?”
“It’s air bro.”
“It’s whatever the air identifies as.”
“It depends on the context. Sulfur dioxide and nitrogen are on two opposite sides of being air.”

Saying that someone who identifies as such is such is circular logic, and there’s no definition for “woman” itself to begin with. Trying to eruv it by saying TiMs are adult human females ignores that the state of being female exists regardless of “context.” If a TiM is “on the other side” of being female, then where does transition end? Doesn’t it imply that there are still traits that make TiMs inherently male, and thus not women? Doesn’t that mean that women are the standard for, well, actually being women? Then why call TiMs women at all? Trying to introduce quantum states to these things doesn’t work because parts of something doesn’t make a whole. Otherwise, Diogenes did, in fact, create a man.

It just goes to show that they see femaleness as a dumping ground for “not-men.” They obviously see men as the default, just like everyone else, and it’s insulting that they pretend they don’t.

 

[UncleTusky]

I'd love to hear them explaining the 'mind' one without raising ugly questions: If there are typical fe/male 'mind and emotions' that is a half-step removed from the old stereotypes that women are dramatic and emotionally fragile while men are inconsiderate pigs. Apart from being mostly wrong and contrary to decades of feminist activism, it also contradicts the current troon dogma that self-ID is all that defines a woman because now they are introducing new and semi-objective criteria.

The other explanation (and this one would go over even worse with troons) is that hormones interfere with thought and belief patterns beyond alleviating dysphoria. If this is true the it raises obvious questions about how much of their post transition personality is real vs. chemically induced.

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I have yet to hear a description of "gender" that didn't sound like a synonym for "personality". Every time I encounter it during my tumble down the troon rabbit hole it becomes more clear. It's the flailing of bored, rudderless modernity. You feel weird and special and like you don't fit in? Yeah, so does everyone else. It's a sign that you're a person, with personality traits that don't 100% fit a model gender studies weirdos have convinced you is a hard requirement for being your "gender".

One other thing to add here is that many troons run in hard left circles where more oppressed = more attention and more power. Slapping on a 'they/them' pronoun sticker is a zero-effort way to leap to the top of the progressive stack and begin bossing around everyone else. This goes double when the group most likely to take this route, middle class white women, would otherwise be towards the bottom.

Edit x2: Millennials and zoomers are less tolerant of disagreement and criticism than all prior generations. Combine that with 'it's my gender' being an absolute defense to any bad behavior, and it was inevitable the young 'uns would use it to relabel their personality flaws.

 

[SouthernBitchBob]

Some personal experience with troon biology: Years ago I was distantly acquainted with a college soyboy who went transbian. He spent years going around in "anxiety" circles, unable to hold most jobs. He overshared about it on socials, naturally. He was always on the therapist shopping circuit; most of them were evil heartless quacks, didn't last more than a month or two. The main criterion for dropping a "quack"? Suggesting (the NERVE!) that perhaps, possibly, tremendous doses of hormones in levels meant to ape a second puberty in a body that doesn't want to go that way, -might- be freaking his brain chemistry out and causing, or at least worsening, his anxiety. I'm only bitchily paraphrasing for effect, that was the thrust of his entire rant about one of those therapists. To the committed troon, HRT is a magic potion that will cause bones to change size and boobies to erupt fully-formed from their chests in supernatural displays of power, but affecting your brain? One of the things hormones actually do? Preposterous, you should lose your license.

 

[invisibult plus+]

Some personal experience with troon biology: Years ago I was distantly acquainted with a college soyboy who went transbian. He spent years going around in "anxiety" circles, unable to hold most jobs. He overshared about it on socials, naturally. He was always on the therapist shopping circuit; most of them were evil heartless quacks, didn't last more than a month or two. The main criterion for dropping a "quack"? Suggesting (the NERVE!) that perhaps, possibly, tremendous doses of hormones in levels meant to ape a second puberty in a body that doesn't want to go that way, -might- be freaking his brain chemistry out and causing, or at least worsening, his anxiety. I'm only bitchily paraphrasing for effect, that was the thrust of his entire rant about one of those therapists. To the committed troon, HRT is a magic potion that will cause bones to change size and boobies to erupt fully-formed from their chests in supernatural displays of power, but affecting your brain? One of the things hormones actually do? Preposterous, you should lose your license.

One day trannies will breast very boobily down the stairs, no prosthetics required. Just like their favorite hentai!

 

[teriyakiburns]

One day trannies will breast very boobily down the stairs, no prosthetics required. Just like their favorite hentai!

In the meantime, they will get bolt-ons and literally masturbate about how amazing they are.

Spoiler: I am not joking