Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

I think mostly he's probably seething because he doesn't find Phoebe Waller-Bridge attractive
He should feel grateful to be compared to any woman at all. There are plenty of women less attractive than Phoebe Waller-Bridge who are far more attractive than Olly was even before he trooned out, let alone now, let alone in seven years' time when he'll be the same age as her.

The only person in the video is Choob. Who's the pro supposed to be?
Minor point - I can't be bothered to actually listen to Olly's bullshit here - but why is his mouth always on one side of his face or the other? It looks both extremely smug and extremely retarded at the time.

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Jesus Christ, Choob, why does everything you do have to be so insufferable?
 
The only person in the video is Choob. Who's the pro supposed to be?
Been waiting for this one for a while and I happen to have time tonight. Chubemas came early luvs.

Part 1: Creating a character (0:17)
  • First character analysed is Belladona and Chube gets us started with some animal studies, using a snake as the basis 'hips cocked and shoulders cocked another way' (the screencap from a teaser post before is what's on screen) on an S-pose. His take here is rather literal as Belladona actually hisses and uses her mouth to display dominance (bites and articulation for threats). Chube did mention having the wrists out in a feminine but childish way but it made me realize how little he used them in this performance.
  • Bella's voice is purposefully 'fake' sounding in how it resonates forward and gets higher than Chube's natural voice. Chube also talks about the 'bigger' expressions as part of the fakeness and how much of a challenge it is to act as a character who themself is acting.
  • Chube pretty much summarized half his portfolio in how both Sharako and his Hotspur are both putting on an act.
  • Pretty interesting bit of trivia: For Django, Chube was told that Jess (his character) had been almost drowned by his dad in a horse trough... so Chube tried to recreate it SAFELY so he would understand the feeling?
Part 2: Delivering lines (4:50)
  • Chube explains the LABAN technique visually. Tell me if its worth turning into a GIF.
  • Belladona exists mainly in flick and dab (light and quick) but turns to heavier efforts as the short goes on. Going into this I was expecting to be able to massively geek the fuck out but when looking for a point of reference to explain this summary I found this.
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  • Chube used the entire left column in a scene, almost in order.
  • Says he uses LABAN every time he gets stuck and even uses it on voice acting. Once again, I can't help but notice how stiff he is with his arms and I already made fun of his voice acting.
  • Constantin Stanislavski namedrop when trying to transition from the technical to the emotional aspect of acting. Says he broke down crying on DEX's set.
Part 3: What is good acting? (8:39)
  • We start good with how most acting criticism ends up being, as a philosopher may say, 'non-cognitive statements'. Most people don't know how to evaluate the craft so criticism comes from how a performance made you feel. Talks about gender and racial bias. When talking about non white dudes good performances two out of three examples were from shows he was in.
  • Talks about how the acting in The Boys is big whereas is restrained in I Saw The TV Glow, both are examples of good acting.
  • Doesn't explain why or how. Just jumps to the next section.
Part 4: The team (11:10)
  • The crew can make or break a performance, so this is Chube's chance to glaze Valentina Vee (DEX's director and photographer) who Chube credits for the crazy light change decisions and that the character's phones had messages pertinent to the plot.
  • Apparently the make-up department made the conscious decision to make Morgana look the way she looks (there's supposed to be colour in her cheeks).
  • On Belladona's wardrobe: The costume designer had the task of coming up with an outfit picked by a straight guy that doesn't really love his GF and takes no care for comfort or practicality who is also very creepy.
  • If you made the lesbian manicure joke, I want to let you know even Chube is on the joke and felt the need to share different fingers are used depending on which side of the Atlantic you are in.
  • Talks about the 'Didi' tattoo, doesn't make the very easy joke about P-Diddy. More trivia: Chube had to walk around L.A. with that on his neck.

Part 5: The writing (14:39)
  • Vampirism is an analogy to abuse, not AGP/GAMPism. Get it right chud.
  • The Prince being less accesible because of the language used is cited as a reason DEX is the way it is. Hamfisted.
  • 16:03 if you want to see a scene analysis of DEX. If you try to watch this, just jump to the timestamp. Chube, after saying DEX is way more direct about its themes, decides to explain his overly simple dialogue and bare-bones acting decisions as if there's anything not on plain sight while dressed like the substitute teacher version of Elton John.
  • The allusion to Belladona wearing a schoolgirl uniform was originally going to be a direct allusion to DD/LG that was changed because Vee believed not many people would get it (but I guess Catherine McKinnon is pretty mainstream) also kinkshaming.
  • On the prior point, Chube quotes Michel Focault as to why he wrote the Didi Daddy line.
  • Chube is stroking himself as a writer because of this scene (20:10) in a nutshell, Vee had the idea to have an old lady walk off the bathroom and Chube proceeds to BREAK NEW GROUND while telling us Belladona is supposed to be cis. Forget my previous timestamp, this one is pure gold acting man.
  • Belladona (turtle) moan.
  • 24:18 for abuse backstory. The abuser speaks several languages and is more intelligent than Chube. Who dunnit?
  • The abusive Vladimir messages were sent by Chube. Is pretty funny.
Part 6: Actually Making & Selling a Movie (27:10)
  • Apparently the first time they tried to film DEX someone messed the paperwork and halted production for several months. Dave Wiskus was there, stated how much money it had costed to finance the movie (Chube censors the amount), made a call that ended costing whoever messed the paperwork to lose their position and took Chube, Morgana and Valentina Vee to Disneyland.
  • Chube got experience as an executive producer. Chube talks about the merch and proceeds to show us he has a poster, stickers and mug of his own movie. The video started with Chube wearing the tee shirt. Chube came up with 'bit people bite people'.
  • Talks about going to interviews and red carpets. How big Sharako turned out to be. How scared he was during promotion of The Acolyte because of trans representation.
  • Chube stole a coaster from The Acolyte's wrap party.
  • Fears that Hollywood productions will become 'more conservative'. Was told by a London production house they didn't hire trans people, proceeds to say he can't prove it.
  • Basically is begging you to watch DEX to prove studios they should hire him.

Conclusions:
I walk away from this feeling reassured that Chube doesn't understand acting and is mostly enamoured with the idea of being recognized as an actor. Chube can quote techniques and authors but remains unable to contextualize them in his own work in any capacity beyond him knowing how to spell their names. Acting well isn't easy but Chube does nothing to bridge the gap, perhaps to keep the mystique that he does anything of worth.

His animal work is bland, his understanding of LMA rather one-dimensional, unable to conjure Stanislavski's method outside of holding the book and his performances makes me feel better that I couldn't nor actually wanted to pawn my future in an acting school in the big city. I feel already a better actor than Chube even though I'm a month removed from my last credit and haven't headlined shit in my life. I felt so insulted I plan to actually read theory this Christmas out of spite and I suggest any media kiwis outside London, LA and NYC do the same. The competition is actually pretty shite.

I'm holding out for a Robert Rodriguez, a Jim Cummings, a John Waters and yet I live in a world of Chubes.
 
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Great summary, @Blue Gem Muslim Queen , but I just to make it clear that watching the video doesn't mean you're qualified to backseat act. That is still forbidden.
I'm not resting until Chube names me specifically for that and then I'm willing to show up in porn just to prove my point.
 
I just watched the video it's such a self-glaze it should have been posted to pornhub under masturbation. Nothing even approaching 'I might have done this a bit differently', according to Toob every choice was correct and executed flawlessly. Most of the video doesn't even analyse the acting, it's just Toob stroking Toob over how amazing writing such as "I barely remember 9/11, he remembers the last 20 9/11's" is or making excuses as to why their career is stalling.

Toob starts by saying that Belladonna in Dracula's Ex-Girlfriend is 'lowkey the villain of the film' and therefore Toob chose to attempt to give the character a snake-like physicality. Toob then shows a bunch of clips of hideous overacting, which was apparently done on purpose to look like a snake.

A particularly funny example of this is Toob saying they had the character stand with a cocked hip, ostensibly in a Venus De Milo pose, only to cut to Toob extremely awkwardly standing, looking like a village oaf from a Monty Python sketch.

I wonder if when Toob looks at these clips do they know it doesn't look or sound like proper acting and this video is just cope? Or have they actually deluded themselves into thinking these are good performances?

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Also Belladonna is very explicitly the villain of the film, not 'lowkey'. Saying that makes no sense.
 
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Thank you for the summary @Blue Gem Muslim Queen - I tried to watch it but Ollie framing talking through his approach as "pro analysis" made me cringe too much.

It's interesting that we mostly guessed his reference points. This does explain why Matthias Schoenaerts hushed someone on the set of Django who was trying to move on production and said what Ollie was saying was important. We've clearly got an insight into what he's like on set, breathlessly communicating the choices he's making and throwing out references to theory, in a way that might make make more seasoned actors feel a twinge of sympathy.

I'll admit I'm somewhat impressed at the gall he has to claim that most of his recent performances were deliberately bad because the characters were supposed to be putting on an unconvincing front. Which kind of works for his weird pirate character. But for everything else, he's just so hammy and overacted. If you think of something like, say, Lauren Bacall in To Have and Have Not unsuccessfully attempt to play the innocent because she's rattled that Humphrey Bogart has spotted her steal a wallet; that's a convincing scene, you can believe the character is trying to be convincing but failing. Or a more accessible example, Helena Bonham Carter playing Hermione Granger playing Bellatrix Lestrange unconvincingly - it's a fantastic piece of acting because you forget you're not just watching Emma Watson since Helena nailed her mannerisms, and likewise this is how you'd imagine Hermione trying to be Bellatrix. I picked those examples because they're both a bit stylised, whether it's slightly more theatrical film noir acting or Harry Potter's less grounded in reality universe.

Meanwhile, Dracula's Ex-Girlfriend? People don't act like that even if they're being phoney. Its compounded by his completely inauthentic "mask slip" moments. Nothing about his performance is authentic. You as an audience member do not feel you're watching a damaged woman pretend to be a joyous lascivious slut, you're very aware you're watching an actor deliver a shitty performance.

As for his glossing over "non-cognitive responses"... a good performance gets the audience invested in the story and provokes authentic emotions. You're supposed to evoke an empathetic response in the audience. The cognitive response would be poring over acting choices in a scene and going "oh the way the character is moving through the space is a really interesting choice by the actor" but you're not generally watching something to focus on why the actors are making the acting choices they are, but instead having an affective response. Maybe a cognitive response on top of that ("Why is she acting so suspicious... oh maybe she knows who killed the butler!") but certainly not one about the actor. But it doesn't matter that he chose to flick his chin, stand contraposto and widen up to hiss because he was basing Bella's physicality off of a snake, because he overegged it and it was a shit performance. Recognising it as a shit performance does not mean the audience cannot understand why he made those choices and what his character's motivations were (which is what Ollie implies), he overacted and exaggerated them in a way that was tonally dissonant and came across as unconvincing.

Maybe Ollie's narc empathy is so blunted that he genuinely can't "get" that. Narcs struggle with affective empathy - they might logically understand what someone is feeling or might feel, but they don't "feel" it. They don't see a loved one is sad, feel sad and instinctively want to comfort them (although they might ask how they are, because they know that's a thing they're supposed to do - the trick is they'll only do it the once to "tick it off", or only do it when they've got an audience).

If Ollie doesn't really get emotional responses from movies, I guess he'd just be analysing the characters. "Ah yes, the actress is cowering and looking at the ground in this scene, she must be communicating that this character is scared". That actually goes a long way to explaining his acting choices. Stuff like his 24 hour Shakespeare stream or that recent "one take" YouTube video is a piece of hard work he achieved, and he's extrapolating that to acting. "Good" acting is when an actor has constructed an elaborative narrative about a character and then made a series of rehearsed movement decisions on how to embody it. Whether or not it is a successful performance is not something he can parse. He said his lines in the way he decided his character would say them, he moved around in the way he decided his character would move around, he's making his face look angry to communicate anger or look sad and is speaking softly to communicate he's sad. That means he did Good Acting. People who complain about his performance, citing some unknowable "non-cognitive response" about how he made them feel... they just don't "get it". They're just not understanding the character work he put in or they don't like his character decisions, and failing that, they're transphobic. No wonder he glossed over his explanation.
 
I walk away from this feeling reassured that Chube doesn't understand acting and is mostly enamoured with the idea of being recognized as an actor. Chube can quote techniques and authors but remains unable to contextualizing in his own work in any capacity beyond him knowing how to spell their names.
This is a dead accurate assessment of his limits in every discipline he's ever tried.

PWB *must* have semi recently parred him off in some personal way, either trully dramatically or just casually but inflated by Tubes own narcissistic injury, for him to be going this hard repeating that "she's like a decade older than me" (not quite, 7/8 years)
Let's look at the timeline...

January 2021 – Olly comes out as Abigail. The Phoebe Waller-Bridge comparisons begin immediately.

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January 2023 – PWB is reported to be developing a Tomb Raider series for Amazon Prime Video.
February 2023 – Olly expresses interest in playing Lara Croft.

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July 2023 – Olly comments on the PWB comparisons for the first time afaict — and it's not a negative remark.

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May 2024 – PWB's Tomb Raider lands a series order. Olly again expresses interest in playing Lara Croft, both on Twitter and Insta according to his fans, but later deletes the posts.

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October 19, 2024 – Olly comments on the PWB comparisons again, this time with fresh and mystifying bitterness.

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October 29, 2024 – Sophie Turner and Lucy Boynton are reported to be testing for the role of Lara Croft.
November 9, 2024 – @1:39:55 in this livestream, Olly says that he'd like to play Lara Croft but doesn't think he's "big enough to be considered for it yet."


November 14, 2024 – Sophie Turner is cast as Lara Croft.
December 8, 2024 – In another livestream, Olly repeats his new complaints about the PWB comparison. @32:58 "It upsets me because Phoebe Waller-Bridge is almost a decade older than me and also like several inches shorter. So I'm just like, I'm just a white woman with short brown hair. Like that's it. Um yeah, she's like nearly a decade older than me. Don't say that."


Makes you think.
 
His stated reasons make no sense. "She's a Southerner." "She's shorter." "She's a decade older." Like with his inability to understand why people think he's shit at acting, he can't understand that people are commenting on facial features and style that create an overall "look" that has nothing to do with whether those people are literally identical in every way.

Sophie Turner is slightly younger than him, so maybe we'll see how he criticizes her at some point.
 
Nothing even approaching 'I might have done this a bit differently', according to Toob every choice was correct and executed flawlessly.
It's funny because when you hear actors talk about their roles there's always something they wish they would've done differently - be it not hitting the right note, evoking the right reaction from the audience or in case of long-running shows, it ends up contradicting what's down the road (which they can't help) there's always something that could be better. Choob on the other hand thinks his acting is just perfection and it's the dumb stupid audience and their dumb emotions that can't understand the brilliance. It really makes you wonder about how he is on set and how hard it must be for people who he considers lower in rank to reign him in. You can take the privileged posh boy out of the private school...
He doesn’t know what he’s doing “acting-wise” next year yet.
Considering that House of Dragon season 3 must be shooting next year, I'm guessing he's not been asked back?
 
Yeah, both he and others used to mention PwB all the time and he's only recently gotten particularly poisonous about it. I really do think he'll have reached out in some way personally or professionally and taken a huff about it. Like remember the scale of how insane his reaction to nigella lawson not tripping over herself to appear on his two but youtube essay?
It doesn't take much to enraged the tube.
Thought interestingly he hasn't seemingly reacted this way to pointedly being ignored, despite repeated outreach, to Kim Petrast.
 
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Pretty interesting bit of trivia: For Django, Chube was told that Jess (his character) had been almost drowned by his dad in a horse trough... so Chube tried to recreate it SAFELY so he would understand the feeling?

How retarded lol:

“Something else I like to do is recreate a character’s core memories, from their backstory. So when I played Jess in Django for Sky and Netflix, one of the key things I was told about her was that when she was a child, her father tried to drown her in a horse trough. So I ran a bath in my apartment and I put my own hand on the back of my head and I pushed my head down into the water. Safely, obviously, I wasn’t in any real danger. But I was just trying to recreate that physical sensation of the water being in my nose and my ears and my eyes. To try and conjure up this imaginary traumatic memory for her.”
 
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Considering that House of Dragon season 3 must be shooting next year, I'm guessing he's not been asked back?
Nah he will be, his character had too big of an introduction on the tail end of season 2 and kills a main character to just be written out. The entire season was building to that battle, I cant imagine how fucked and angry people would be if that battle is off screened. So he'll be on another big tv show next year and then probably never again
 
So when I played Jess in Django for Sky and Netflix, one of the key things I was told about her was that when she was as a child, her father tried to drown her in a horse trough.
This feels like Olly was seriously bugging the producer / showrunner about his bit part character's motivation is and they basically told him this in order for him to shut up and bugger off. Of course, Olly can't read signals very well and took this very seriously. I really need a PoonChoob trying to drown himself in the bathtub right now.
 
Nah he will be, his character had too big of an introduction on the tail end of season 2 and kills a main character to just be written out. The entire season was building to that battle, I cant imagine how fucked and angry people would be if that battle is off screened. So he'll be on another big tv show next year and then probably never again
The character might return, but that doesn't mean it has to be Choob playing them. I will surrender all future Christmas wishes to see the character recast with Phoebe Waller Bridge in the role.
 
Chube came up with 'bit people bite people'.
I am so happy Olly came up with the lamest wordplay I've seen in years.
Toob starts by saying that Belladonna in Dracula's Ex-Girlfriend is 'lowkey the villain of the film' and therefore Toob chose to attempt to give the character a snake-like physicality. Toob then shows a bunch of clips of hideous overacting, which was apparently done on purpose to look like a snake.
It's amazing that he was trying to do something here, when all Olly projected in that film was 'big'. He gave big, solid and fridge. To me Olly is always a loud bull in a china shop. He just takes up space despite not being super big physically, and he is incapable of subtle movements. Meanwhile, in that photo you posted, Morgana is giving more 'snake' energy than Olly did in the entire film.
 
Toob seems to take these acting techniques very literally, Belladonna is a snake and so constantly has to move in very exaggerated awkward snake movements. It wouldn't surprise me if they started flicking their tongue in the air to smell the food, or rub their belly on the floor to listen to the other characters.
 
How retarded lol:

“Something else I like to do is recreate a character’s core memories, from their backstory. So when I played Jess in Django for Sky and Netflix, one of the key things I was told about her was that when she was a child, her father tried to drown her in a horse trough. So I ran a bath in my apartment and I put my own hand on the back of my head and I pushed my head down into the water. Safely, obviously, I wasn’t in any real danger. But I was just trying to recreate that physical sensation of the water being in my nose and my ears and my eyes. To try and conjure up this imaginary traumatic memory for her.”
God I hate method actors.
Next time, can somebody on set tell him his character's backstory includes having to quit an acting career after being forced to realise they cannot act for shit?
 
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