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[888Flux]

another thing to add on the interesting list of claims so far regarding the drones / UAPs in New Jersey:

https://youtu.be/yOcl0en4ZFo?t=54

Timestamp 0:54

Supposedly they tried to fly their own drone up to get some pictures of whatever the unknown drones are and the battery immediately died.

I tracked down the email of the guy they were interviewing and sent him a follow up to see if he has any saved video from the DJI app. The "Find My Drone" thing built in to most DJI products usually records the last 15 seconds of flight time if there is an abrupt disconnection or the battery dies.

Hopefully I will hear something back.

Right now there are a lot of claims ranging from people's clocks shifting an hour forward, losing cell / GPS connection when they are overhead, and the lights going off on the drones when trying to observe through magnification devices. I haven't seen any direct proof of most of them though.

What really stands out with this is just how long this has been going on for. It reminds me of the "Jetpack Man" sightings around the LAX airport in Los Angeles that people reported from 2019 to 2022.

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Also, not sure if this was posted in this thread before, but a TFR flight restriction was issued from December 4th to December 20th in Bedminister, NJ, that covers Trump National Golf Club Bedminister.
https://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_4_1797.html [ https://archive.ph/vy0gv ]

Spoiler: Text

No UAS operations are authorized in the areas covered by this NOTAM (except as described).

EXC AS SPECIFIED BLW: A. UAS OPS MAY BE AUTH WI THE DEFINED SSI AIRSPACE IF IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE RQMNTS LISTED BLW: 1) UAS OPS IN DCT SUPPORT OF AN ACT NTL DEFENSE, HOMELAND SECURITY, LAW ENFORCEMENT, FIREFIGHTING, SAR, OR DISASTER RESPONSE MISSION; 2) UAS OPS IN SUPPORT OF EVENT OPS; 3) COMMERCIAL UAS OPS WITH A VALID STATEMENT OF WORK; 4) MUST BE IN POSSESSION OF AN APPROVED SPECIAL GOVERNMENTAL INTEREST(SGI) AIRSPACE WAIVER; 5) AND COMPLY WITH ALL OTHER APPLICABLE FEDERAL AVIATION REGULATIONS. B. UAS OPR IDENTIFIED IN A.1, A.2 OR A.3 ABV MUST APPLY FOR A SGI WAIVER VIA EMAIL AT 9-ATOR-HQ-SOSC@FAA.GOV. C. UAS OPR WHO DO NOT COMPLY WITH APPLICABLE AIRSPACE RESTRICTIONS ARE WARNED THAT PURSUANT TO 10 U.S.C.SECTION 130I AND 6 U.S.C.SECTION 124N, THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE(DOD), THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY(DHS) OR THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE(DOJ) MAY TAKE SECURITY ACTION THAT RESULTS IN THE INTERFERENCE, DISRUPTION, SEIZURE, DAMAGING, OR DESTRUCTION OF UNMANNED ACFT DEEMED TO POSE A CREDIBLE SAFETY OR SECURITY THREAT TO PROTECTED PERSONNEL, FAC, OR ASSETS. D. THE SYSTEM OPS SUPPORT CENTER (SOSC), IS THE CDN FAC FOR OPR ACCESS AND IS AVBL DLY FM 0600-2359 EASTERN, TEL 202-267-8276 FOR CDN. E. THE FAA RECOMMENDS THAT ALL ACFT OPR CK NOTAMS FREQUENTLY FOR POSSIBLE CHANGES TO THIS TFR PRIOR TO OPS WI THIS REGION.OPR MAY REVIEW THE TFR DETAILS ON THE INTERNET AT HTTPS://TFR.FAA.GOV/ OR HTTPS://WWW.1800WXBRIEF.COM. IF QUESTIONS REMAIN, CTC FSS, TEL 800-992-7433.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

NewsNation: House panel holds drone hearing (archive)

The Debrief: Mystery Drones Invading New Jersey Airspace Are Keeping Officials on Edge as Feds Probe for Answers (archive)

This is the "crash" video (brush fire?) that was circulating a couple days ago. r/UFOers are saying it gets scrubbed but retardation abounds (no "submission statement"? Get destroyed):

https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1hbl768/something_crashed_in_new_jersey_not_my_vid/

Spoiler

Spoiler: Are UFOs or drones flying over New Jersey? | Cuomo

Rep Nancy Mace: "I want an alien body on a gurney. I want the Non-Human Biologics on a gurney and hauled into an oversight hearing. That's what people want to see".

Spoiler

 

[GradeAGobbleDeeGook]

so is there anything new happening hearing wise or anything like that in an official setting?
last thing i remember was a SCIF that was meant to be illuminating but was called "a dud"

 

[fukefacedog]

another thing to add on the interesting list of claims so far regarding the drones / UAPs

Normally I wouldn't language police, and I'm not going to stop people from calling these Jersey Drones UAPs if they want to (and I can't stop them), but UAP as a Military Classification means something very specific (All-Domain), and because of the nature of this topic, I ask that people try to be very careful and not use these terms interchangeably when discussing them in this thread.

I have been following these Jersey events very closely, there is no evidence that these devices are exhibiting any qualities we attribute to UAPs (which btw are Classified, if they were UAPs DOD would not be at liberty to discuss them, they are not even allowed to describe the shape of UAPs and yet DOD has been talking about triangle shapes and even sizes and "mother ship" deployments throughout this week regarding these events, which they simply couldn't do if these Craft were UAPs).

It's likely in my mind that these Drones hitting Jersey right now are the same sorts of Drones that were buzzing Warships in the 2019 Swarm Event, not the exact same but highly similar and by the same kinds of operators (they searched vessels in 2019 but they didn't search THE ENTIRE VESSEL, so if Chinese operatives were executing the 2019 Swarm Event there was opportunity for them to evade discovery when their vessel was boarded by the Navy for inspection).

These Drones appear to be a step beyond even what was being encountered by the Navy in 2019 (those Drones performed much more like the Military and Commercial Drones we are used to. The one that appears to go into the water requires more Data before we can make a judgment call on its actual performance characteristics, what we have right now is insufficient).

Almost 100% these are China in my mind, if I had to guess. Not Russia, China specifically, when it comes to most (but not all) recent Military encounters with these Drone devices since around 2019 to the present.

These are not the Craft I'm looking for, and it's important, in my mind, that we keep the term "Drone" and "UAP" as discreet as humanly possible, because Drones are going to be the smoke screen in real UAP cases(if they are real) despite the allegations of UAP outperforming F18s whilst also being able to hover for days against hurricane gale winds and drop down from space to sea level in less than a second while breaking known physics, and enter the ocean and produce no cavitation, all in a single craft.

That said, I'm utterly shocked that America is not more upset about this.

If this is China they are literally commiting Acts of War on American soil right now over and over and over again AS WE FUCKING SPEAK, yet Americans don't seem to care that they are literally preparing the fucking battlefield on our soil right the fuck now.

What the fuck is wrong with everyone?

WE HAVE PEOPLE LITERALLY COMMITING ACTS OF GOD DAM WAR AS WE FUCKING SPEAK AND NOBODY GIVES A FUCK.

From at least 2004 to now its been like this.

America has been blindsided so many times in the past like this, from Pearl Harbor to fucking 9/11, and in every instance America fucking KNEW ABOUT THE IMPENDING ATTACKS AND DID NOT ACT.

This is exactly like Mellon was saying. We had early warning of Pearl Harbor but ignored it, we had warnings of 9/11 but ignored it. We had warnings of Spy Balloons but ignored it.

The US is setting itself up for a cataclysmic attack right now, and just like last time, everyone is asleep at the fucking wheel.

Wake the fuck up everyone.

A country is preparing the battle space right now on your fucking soil. Maybe pay attention for a second?

 

[The Gene Genie]

They’re saying the “drones” over New Jersey are Iranian. If anyone believes that they should be turned into McDonalds burgers because they’re nothing but niggercattle. I was on the fence about what they were before, but them openly saying it’s Iranian almost basically confirms that they’ve got no fucking clue what these things are.

 

[Narcotics]

The otherwordly drones made by aliens thousands of years more advanced than us are airplane shaped and have red-and-white blinking lights they turn on at night.
These ain't ayys, the most possible outcome is that they're some sort of government aircraft, the real question here is if they're from the US or not.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

They’re saying the “drones” over New Jersey are Iranian. If anyone believes that they should be turned into McDonalds burgers because they’re nothing but niggercattle. I was on the fence about what they were before, but them openly saying it’s Iranian almost basically confirms that they’ve got no fucking clue what these things are.

We have a fresh example of a chink getting arrested for drones, and it sounds a lot like one man with a single consumer-grade drone taking some photos:

Chinese national arrested after ‘drone flown over US air base’ (archive)

Federal police arrested Yinpiao Zhou on Monday after he was allegedly caught flying a drone over the Vandenberg Space Force Base, in California.

In a criminal complaint, the US Attorney’s Office said Mr Zhou flew a drone over the base and took photographs on Nov 30 – the same day it launched a rocket on behalf of the National Reconnaissance Office.

Whatever is happening over New Jersey (and New York and Pennsylvania) is a lot crazier. And it makes little sense for it to be part of the US government self-inflicting UFO/drone mania.

 

[GradeAGobbleDeeGook]

Chinese national arrested after ‘drone flown over US air base’ (archive)

always coming with the goods, good work as usual

know how they have military blitz? this has me wondering if maybe this is a surveillance blitz
one way to have more success in that regard would be to do it all at once for mass confusion, just a thought

 

[Narcotics]

The recent FBI briefing has left me thinking, how can they be so sure these are not from foreign countries, but also say they don't fucking know what they are or where they're coming from? Is no one, absolutely no one working for any of these agencies willing to snitch what these are? do they fear the government more than they fear these things? why do they apparently only come out at night and make themselves clearly visible, just so they dissapear as soon as the sun rises? why are the US and UK govs the only ones talking about these things openly? NORAD were the ones in charge of popping the chinese balloon, where are they now? where is everyone? where are the reports? the high-quality-not-smarthphone photos or videos? why is this being allowed to happen and why is "we dunno lol" the only response these retards are giving?

Alot of these so called sightings have been shown to just be planes or satellites. which is why i'm very skeptical about any civilian taken videos and reports, this event has made people that haven't paid much attention to the night sky look up and realize that sometimes things fly around. and so they wip out their phone and record. But i must admit there's something that's just not right about this situation.

If these things are just misidentified planes, why not come out and say it? if they're not misidentified planes, what are they and why you DON'T know what they are? would it be too embarrassing to admit that the US airspace is being invaded by something foreign and has been for the past month? (or who knows for how long really). Where are the trillions of USD given to these agencies going if they can't do their job?

The US gov seems weirdly not interested in this, looks like they're having more fun sending gibs to ukraine. Almost like they're letting it slide and hope that people will forget about it in a few weeks. If these things are a threat, why not shoot them out of the sky or install a no-fly zone? If these things are not a threat, why are they not coming out to clear all this shit for once?

Are you expecting me to believe that the most technologically advanced country on this earth can't tell what these things are? They clearly know what these are and won't tell.

I wonder how this will keep developing.

 

[-Jack-]

The same thing happened in the UK (kinda) a few weeks ago. A bunch of drones flying near Uk/US military bases. Suspected to be Russian but they still dont know/arent telling us yet

 

[888Flux]

), but UAP as a Military Classification means something very specific (All-Domain), and because of the nature of this topic, I ask that people try to be very careful and not use these terms interchangeably when discussing them in this thread.

Ah ok. Thanks for the clarification. I was just sort of reaching for a term that meant "nobody knows what they are".

I'm inclined to agree with your analysis here. The sheer level of incompetence of the US government to identify what is most likely drones really makes you go WTF. This has been going on since early November. To my knowledge there hasn't been a single photo of any downed drone or an optified photo of one. That's what the scary part is to me. New Jersey is a highly dense urban area. Not one individual or law enforcement agency has this capability?

They’re saying the “drones” over New Jersey are Iranian. If anyone believes that they should be turned into McDonalds burgers because they’re nothing but niggercattle

The Shahed family of drones are all gasoline, jet, or diesel powered. They are incredibly loud. On the list of possibilities this being some sophisticated Iranian stunt is the lowest.

 

[Oxyjen]

The Shahed family of drones are all gasoline, jet, or diesel powered. They are incredibly loud. On the list of possibilities this being some sophisticated Iranian stunt is the lowest.

I dunno dude.
Their military drones use gas engines and are noisy as fuck but clearly they can also make battery drones - the avionics are the key. They already have successful drone factories, why wouldn’t they branch out into making long range quadcopters for information gathering or planting “items” at inland locations.

IMO it’s probably those Saudi flying taxis being used to ferry Trump family and friends from Bedminster to an offshore megayacht for Epstein style partying.

Blancolirio weighs in:

 

[fukefacedog]

To my knowledge there hasn't been a single photo of any downed drone or an optified photo of one.

They are over or near Urban areas, we don't know what kind of fuel source they have, if they are carrying a payload, if there will be an explosion, how large that explosion will be, and if there will be fallout afterwards, nuclear or otherwise.

You can't just fire at these things.

What would be better is if we could prevent them from being deployed near our coasts by setting up a larger perimeter, monitor it with the newly calibrated Aegis Combat System which can now track Balloons and more, and take a few out from safer distances while cataloging it.

There is a reason these things have to be deployed from a large craft first: poor range.

These things can't get close to our coast unless we allow them to.

Through the Aegis Combat System the US can track a golf ball-sized target at a range in excess of 165 kilometers, since at least 2004. With the SPY-1 radars, the E-2 Hawkeye's radar, and the various Warships deployed throughout the coast, there is simply no reason our coast should be this porous.

How many Balloons have crossed our coast since they recalibrated the sensors, that we know of?

None.

And don't tell me we might not know about those Balloons now, it was Civilians who first drew the public's attention to these current Drones.

Time and time again our militaries are failing to secure our border, despite having the capability to secure it since at least 2004!

This is why people like me and Ryan Graves and Christopher Mellon are so fucking upset about all of this.

None of this has to be happening.

This is all negligence and at this point incompetence, and perhaps even deliberate sabotage from within our own military, potentially facilitated by American born Chinese citizens who are being swayed by the Communist Party despite supposedly pledging allegiance to the United States Military.

All of us have been screaming about border security for fucking ever now, and nobody is listening, and now we have FUCKING DRONES ON OUR GOD DAM SOIL AND PEOPLE ARE STILL BEING FUCKING RETARDED ABOUT THIS!!!!!

 

[Niggs Monaghan]

This reminds me of the last time UFOs were being talked about a lot when there were congressional hearings about it, and the public reaction was very much the same.
>Yes there ARE UAPs and no we don't know what they are or why they're there
>no higher ups seem to know what's going on
>No we don't want to know anything else or want to look into it any more because THEYRE NOT ALIENS YOU CRACKPOT. I am very intelligent.
It's the ultimate Reddit position to take and for some reason nearly everyone takes it.

 

[John Badman]

Rep Nancy Mace: "I want an alien body on a gurney. I want the Non-Human Biologics on a gurney and hauled into an oversight hearing. That's what people want to see".

Spoiler

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Based Mommy Mace calling for Total Alien Death

 

[Expenses2999]

Based Mommy Mace calling for Total Alien Death

I nominate her as the first President of the Terran Empire

 

[Stoneheart]

and the lights going off on the drones when trying to observe through magnification devices.

we dont have the tech for that... you need incredible good cameras and alot of AI power to observe such a large area for magnification devices and it still wouldnt work because you can hide and cover them so easy. you can maybe detect digital signatures and maybe can do it for phones, but everything older is impossible

 

[fukefacedog]

we dont have the tech for that... you need incredible good cameras and alot of AI power to observe such a large area for magnification devices and it still wouldnt work because you can hide and cover them so easy. you can maybe detect digital signatures and maybe can do it for phones, but everything older is impossible

I agree.

The lights are likely to make the Drones abide by Federal Aviation Regulations (anti-collision lights), which would only increase the confusion and hesitancy to engage the "offloader" as it approaches the shore to deploy the smaller drones.

It was the same thing with the 2019 Swarm Event. Many of those Drones had lighting that abided by Federal Aviation Regulations, from my understanding.

The thing about the Chinese is that they always use our civilian systems and laws against us. That doesn't mean we should get rid of them, but we have to be aware of that.

 

[fukefacedog]

Project Unity thinks it's the US:

"I'm hearing from multiple sources in the military that the reason why the drones are not being addressed appropriately to the public is because they are U.S Drones and they are being deployed due to a threat of a biological/nuclear attack."

Personally I don't think that's what it is, because DOD has been asking civilians to report drone sightings, and if there was a "biological" or "nuclear" attack imminent, shouldn't they be evacuating people?

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

"I'm hearing from multiple sources in the military that the reason why the drones are not being addressed appropriately to the public is because they are U.S Drones and they are being deployed due to a threat of a biological/nuclear attack."

Yeah, no. Who is Project Unity and why are they creating bad fanfiction? How do drones prevent/mitigate/address biological or nuclear attacks? Adding that angle in makes the story 100x bigger, and more likely to cause normie reporters to give a shit about it.

I prefer Ross Coulthart's idea of it being Russia/China, not acknowledged simply because the military/Biden administration don't want to force the issue, potentially cause a confrontation, or otherwise tip their hand. Although there could be different culprits for the multiple distinct (((drone))) waves: New Jersey, UK, and earlier ones such as Langley Air Force base in December 2023 (and other bases).