Grace Lavery / Joseph Lavery & Daniel M. Lavery / Mallory Ortberg - "Straight with extra steps" couple trooning out to avoid "dwindling into mere heterosexuality"

So, according to Joe, a nationalized healthcare system (the NHS) declining to provide free titty skittles to kids is "extending state control over the bodies of teenagers."

Declining to get involved = state control. Joe’s magic pickled potions are clearly destroying brain cells, because this is stupid, even for him.

I just had a horrible vision of an elderly demented Joe in a nursing home and wish it would go away.
 
By Joe's logic, is there any treatment that the NHS may decline to provide?
It's the death (to trannies) panels I once heard warned about...

But, yes, Joe, you cannot demand freedom from the state (prison abolition, anarchotyranny, and muh body, muh choice) while being entirely dependent on it to achieve your goals. They have complete authority over you. You cannot even travel to another country to get medical care that they deem unwarranted and unlikely to improve your condition (as they define it). These things have been pointed out and criticized over and over in ways that never touched Joe's consciousness until it interfered with his little tiddy skiddle art project. And he still has more than he deserves. The state creates the environment that allows useless twiffles like Joe to exist and even thrive with very little effort in a million other ways, at the expense of people who actually contribute things; this is just a more direct retelling of the old, old story that he can understand.

Get good, learn to surgery, good luck getting loicensed, bend the knee. It's over.
 
So, according to Joe, a nationalized healthcare system (the NHS) declining to provide free titty skittles to kids is "extending state control over the bodies of teenagers."
Declining to get involved = state control. Joe’s magic pickled potions are clearly destroying brain cells, because this is stupid, even for him.

I just had a horrible vision of an elderly demented Joe in a nursing home and wish it would go away.
I was going to say something kind of similar, but the NHS action is a ban on prescription, sale, or supply (with some specifics about which prescribers are covered, but not limited to NHS or British ones) to under-18s not already on it, not just declining to pay for it.

The banning order will continue restrictions on the dispensing of puberty blockers prescribed by private UK-registered prescribers for gender incongruence and/or gender dysphoria to under 18s not already taking them.

It also prevents the sale and supply of the medicines from prescribers registered in the European Economic Area or Switzerland for any reason to those under 18.

NHS patients who are already receiving these medicines for gender incongruence and/or gender dysphoria can continue to access them, as can patients receiving the medicines for other uses.
Of course I don't agree with Joe's purple histrionics, but it doesn't seem to be just an NHS coverage thing.
 
All of Mallory’s rage seems firmly focused, at least publicly, on the two men in her family. Joe must love plumbing the enormous depths of her Freudian penis envy. Her old writing hinted at resentments and difficulties with her mom, but damn if it isn’t all daddy issues to the moon.
Just imagine if one day it turns on him.
Three. Three hated males is the magic number. Maybe rocco will be the catalyst. Real Christian shit.

I'd also like to thank Joe from the "fOoD iNsEcUrItY" community (read, too retarded to spend money on nice things instead of opiates).
It really is something to photograph banquets worth of plates and not engender even the tiniest twinge of hunger or envy or anything other than genuine pity - for people I pointedly don't like - who have to sit and eat that shit. And offer praise even.
It's a skill. Et.
 
Right. In her telling, she says he said he's a pedophile, flat out, but then a sentence later she's talking about how she needs to be so careful and avoid rephrasing what he said because she doesn't remember it. She also imputes him with all these motivations for keeping it from her and identifies his expression as smug. That is all twisted; she can't get it straight in her brain, whether she wants to speak for him or leave the speculation aside. I personally don't think even an unashamed pedophile would use that term, so I can't believe that any of this is being reported accurately.
I don’t believe Mal. That piece came across as her being lonely & rationalizing her own feelings of guilt. She’s lying to herself & everyone else.

I noticed how she so easily invented some nasty motivations for her brother after admitting they hadn’t been speaking since she’d become a troon. She said they were disconnected in the same breath that she attributed some made up motivations about him.

It’s not known if her brother suffered from OCD & obsessive thoughts, or actual pedophilic urges. He hadn’t committed any acts that anyone knew, for all that is known, & Mal had other options on how to safeguard any children. Options that weren’t making a spectacle of this & the total life ruination tactics she chose.

Mal jumped the gun, in the course of one day, based on one out of touch conversation. All for her own vendettas against her family (mainly the actual men) for their reactions to her playing a man. It really seems like her witch hunt was an invention of hers to deal with things having nothing to do with that unfortunate conversation with her little brother. And because no one else played her game, she went nuclear, while being egged on by people like Joe who knew less than her.

It’s clear she feels some guilt, & she can’t even admit what happened in truth because it would go against her whole convoluted narrative. There may even be a kernel of truth in the narrative somewhere, but it’s certainly not what she’s describing. This came across as regret, guilt, & continuing an egregious lie.
 
I noticed how she so easily invented some nasty motivations for her brother after admitting they hadn’t been speaking since she’d become a troon. She said they were disconnected in the same breath that she attributed some made up motivations about him.
This pinged something for me. Basically the only other time Mallory has talked about her brother is in this blog post from June 2017. This was in the middle of her transition, but before it was public to the world. She spends the whole post lamenting the fact that Johnny isn't very communicative with her and then points out that he has never talked to her much.

Johnny doesn't talk a lot, but the rest of us [the Ortbergs] do. The rest of us like to talk over one another and abandon stories in the middle to finish someone else's sentence and ask questions four or five in a row without waiting for an answer. Johnny's not like that, and sometimes when we were little he would get so frustrated with our dinner-table conversation he would say, "Would you please stop interrupting me" and we'd all sit in silence for a second, like, I didn't know it was possible not to like being interrupted.
I miss Johnny all the time, which is weird, because he only lives about an hour away in Santa Cruz.

Mallory wraps up the post by stating she can be "close" to Johnny because she looks like him now and posts a photo of a hiking trip she took with Joe as proof. Before 2017, Johnny would invite her to go hiking every year or two, which Mallory had very fond memories of.
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We can take from this that Mallory was feeling shut out from Johnny and was trying to make sense of it.

But notably, in her first reported version of the family confrontation, she said a recurring theme she heard from them was that she never spoke to them after her transition.
"Why do you hide so often? Why are you so evasive? Why can’t you just look me in the eye and tell me what you’re thinking? I feel like I don’t know you. I feel like you’re unknowable. I feel like you only ever tell me what you think I want to hear."
"Well, I don’t really think you have the grounds to give advice to ______ since you don’t talk much since your transition."

🤔
 
This pinged something for me.
Troons and poons skinwalking a sibling is an emerging theme on the farms these days. Munchie pooner cow Victoria "Man"uel Markhoff is another one where this is a glaring theme- in her case, her younger brother ended up also trooning out and they essentially swapped places.
 
Maybe a connecting flight, but that photo (if it’s hers) has descended to land.

I’m surprised Iceland would be transatlantic hub. I’ve never, ever seen Reykjavík offered as a stopover from the USA to anywhere in Europe. I guess it might make sense if Northern Europe was your end goal. The people I’ve known that have been to Iceland it was always their final and only destination. Never heard of a layover in Reykjavík but maybe I don’t know enough regular transatlantic travelers.
Icelandair offers free stopovers to/from Europe and the US for all their airport hubs, though free is a relative term as it is VERY expensive in Reykjavik. It's gorgeous but pricey and people are utterly sick to death of tourists so locals in the 100 are much less friendly than they were 10-15 years ago.
 
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Tard Baby's mommy blogging is pretty much daily. Here's the Imginn if you'd like to read the drivel that goes with.
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Daniel M. Lavery @daniel_m_lavery - Dec 9

disgusted by the McDonald's employee who ratted Luigi out. whatever happened to "the customer is always right"
She's being ironic, I guess.
 
Tard Baby's mommy blogging is pretty much daily. Here's the Imginn if you'd like to read the drivel that goes with.
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Daniel M. Lavery @daniel_m_lavery - Dec 9

disgusted by the McDonald's employee who ratted Luigi out. whatever happened to "the customer is always right"
She's being ironic, I guess.
lol ninja'd, I just took the exact same screenshot you did to compare and contrast Tard Baby's and Joe's current top Insta posts.

Mal's: Baby, baby, baby, dogs, baby, baby

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Joe's: Joe, Joe, Joe, edgelord pro-Luigi shit, Joe's favorite songs, Joe's hot dyke girlfriend (random baby in there too w/e)

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Let's take a closer look at that last pic:
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Just what they need in their tiny house with three adults and an infant crammed into it: a teetering bookshelf full of Joe's designer shit that he hasn't even bothered to fold in spite of not having a job. That's probably $3k in Dries van Noten silk scarves stuffed into that box. :story:
 
Holy shit, the Laverys took my parenting advice on one thing: buying a big crate of those hospital baby blankets to use as the most inexpensive all-purpose "baby cloth" possible. Sometimes I'm almost impressed at how well Joe reads his thread.
 
Though im convinced Joe did not take HRT for very long (li’l rocco is evidence of that + he is just so much the archetype of the crossdressing older englishman that I almost feel lazy for making that joke) he sure looks like a dude straight out of rehab with 15 years of serious drug addiction behind him.

Those terrified little eyes buried inside a mass of chewed and cracking leather, his attempts at looking sexy just make him look abused.
That he still behaves like a wannabe rock star is likely what pulls those lost and desperate to him. What it doesn’t do is earn him any new admirers.

Also what’s going on with his fight against the uni administration? There were accusations of rape, promises of receipts, blatant transphobia, etc. What, are we just dropping that plot line?
 
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Ya know, they do take good care of Rocco, gotta give them that. It’s so refreshing to see a cow baby (not calling him a calf, because we don’t know if he’ll turn out lulzy) not only NOT being neglected, but thriving. His head is round, he occasionally wears clothes, they take him to baby appropriate outings, they seem to enjoy HIM, not the idea of themselves being mama bears or some such shit.

And I think of Mal as that live-in aunt who a child is very fond of despite her being retarded and who teaches him that speds are people, too. Very instructive for a child.

Let’s just hope Joe doesn’t accidentally give Rocco botulism, though. :(
 
Holiday travel, destination yet to be announced.
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Text: "festive vibes from those leaving Michigan"
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Maybe because I try not to really look at Joe, I'm just now noticing the weird notching at the end of his nose. This is common among humans?
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Anyway, he's got that selfie arm out there in the pic so Mal isn't hidden behind the camera, just hidden.
 
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I was perusing the AV Club, and what do I find on their list of Our Favorite Books of 2024?

Daniel Lavery tackles urban loneliness with his signature humor in his debut novel Women’s Hotel. The inhabitants of the Biedermeier, the book’s eponymous hotel, may not realize it, navel-gazing as they are, but they’re in the midst of a big cultural shift, one that would see such residences disappear from city life even as they gain greater personal freedom. These women would be just at home in the works of Rona Jaffe and Dawn Powell, which is something that’s clearly not lost on Lavery. The Something That May Shock And Discredit You author has always had a deft touch with allusions; here, he uses spot-on references to ground the story in the past with just a touch of anachronism. Women’s Hotel is less an elegy for this era than an album of vibrant snapshots that are just as likely to elicit nostalgia for bygone times as they are to make one question that feeling. [Danette Chavez]

I took a quick peek at Goodreads after I saw this and Women's Hotel is currently sitting at 3.04 with 883 ratings. Obviously that's not the sign of a great book, but it has at least leveled off in terms of how far the overall rating will fall. I'd guess that it was included on the AVC's Best Of list because A: books are going to get a lot less attention on a site that mostly covers movies, tv shows and news about them, and B: Danette Chavez is just a long-time of Mallory's writing. (The link to STMSADY is a glowing review by Chavez.)

The book itself might not be the literary triumph that Mal wanted it to be, but it's still landing with a much warmer reception than the in-depth review in this thread would suggest that it deserves.
 
Mal linked to a review on the Historical Novels Society's site (link | archive} that similarly hard for me to match what's known here:
You might think as you begin reading that you have in your hands a Wodehousian comedy of manners, but you soon realize you are being drawn into a series of quiet but devastatingly poignant lives – as if Tolstoy or Naipaul or Austen had put a specific slice of middle-class single womanhood in the mid-20th century under a microscope.

Katherine, Lucianne, Pauline, and dozens of other women are tenants in a mid-range residential hotel for women in 1967 New York – some stay for a year or two, some have been there for decades. What some might consider lives of “quiet desperation” – isolated, separated from families, short on cash – others might consider lives of complete freedom from the constrained social roles of the time. Our omniscient narrator, a wry and nonjudgmental voice, moves from woman to woman as they justify and then question the decisions that led them to this liminal state of being – not quite “at home,” but not rootless, either.

Manhattan rhythms only occasionally intrude on the stasis of the venerable Beidermeier Hotel (and when they do, the results are often hilarious), but the inner lives of the tenants are never boring. Katherine in particular, a recovering alcoholic who treasures the secure uneventfulness of her life but also finds herself drawn further and further into the eccentricities of her co-tenants, is an intricately drawn character, and a tolerant guide to this extremely brief moment in time. A few years earlier, and the Beidermeier’s inhabitants would have had no means to live independently; a handful of years later, women like Katherine would have careers, sexual independence, and the income to afford apartment life. Lavery, a bestselling essayist and former “Dear Prudence” advice columnist for Slate.com, offers in his debut novel a dreamlike, richly detailed glimpse into lives that are ordinary but no less fascinating for being so.
The review writer is Kristen McDermott, English lit prof at Central Michigan.k mcd.png
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Kristen McDermott is a Professor of English Literature at Central Michigan University, specializing in Early Modern Drama. Her most recent book, William Shakespeare: His Life & Times, published by Templar/Candlewick and co-authored with Ari Berk, won the School Library Association's 2011 Children's Choice Information Book Award. Her edition of Jacobean court entertainments, Masques of Difference: Power, Race and Gender in the Masques of Ben Jonson, (Manchester University Press, 2007) makes use of an interdisciplinary background in music, drama and literature. Her scholarly articles have appeared in Pedagogy, Renaissance Papers, Shakespeare Magazine, Early Theatre, and Language Arts Journal of Michigan, and she has been the co-editor of the "Folkroots" column for Realms of Fantasy Magazine, which has also published several of her articles on Shakespeare and folk traditions for a general readership. She is currently a regular book reviewer and features writer for Historical Novels Review.
I've often muttered "What the fuck is this" over books I bought after reading a persuasive review and pondered whether (a) reviewers are mostly oddballs with astigmatic comprehension or (b) I have said affliction. The latter seemed the most likely. Until now.
 
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It's women lifting up other women. It happens, especially when it's a low-risk avenue ie small historical society that's not really about book reviews or a short blurb on an annual best of list on a site that doesn't really do book reviews. I guess it's sort of sweet that women still cape for Mall (for whatever reason, but even in this thread we see it occasionally).
 
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