UK British News Megathread - aka CWCissey's news thread

FedPostalService · Dec 13, 2024

Hellbound Hellhound said:
Gee, it's starting to look to me like this "Plan for Change" is little more than a smokescreen for corporate-approved managerialism. I'm sure that's what everyone voted for, right guys?

Weirdly that’s what the civil service has needed for the past 100 years. I don’t trust a gang of Davis puppets and communists to bring about that change though.

Whoopsie Daisy · Dec 13, 2024

EddyRooney said:
look at the case for creating "intermediate courts" between the magistrates and judges in Crown Courts.

Sounds like Sharia courts

EddyRooney said:
One idea is that a jury could be replaced in many middle-ranking cases by a single district judge and two community magistrates.

Sounds like Sharia Law

EddyRooney said:
Justice Secretary Shabana Mahmood said:

So it's just Sharia law then.

EddyRooney said:
The appointment of the Lord Chief Justice is made by His Majesty The King on the advice of the Prime Minister and the Lord Chancellor following the recommendation of an "independent" selection panel chaired by Helen Pitcher OBE, Chair of the Judicial Appointments Commission. So the person appointed by the Prime Minister appoints the magistrates

Lord Waheed Alli to head the sharia courts then.

Hellbound Hellhound · Dec 13, 2024

FedPostalService said:
Weirdly that’s what the civil service has needed for the past 100 years. I don’t trust a gang of Davis puppets and communists to bring about that change though.

Treating government departments like they're a Silicon Valley tech startup is a potential recipe for disaster. People want reliable quality from public services, not volatility and harebrained experimentation; tax payers aren't angel investors looking to gamble on the next growth stock, and the consequences for failure are quite a bit more serious than an offhand "oh well, maybe next time". There won't be a "next time" when it's the NHS or benefit system that's in shambles.

All this represents is the latest phase of Blue Labour's mask continuing to slip. They're not principled architects of change; they're establishment turncoats, willing to facilitate the ongoing corporate capture of our institutions.

Plastic Bag · Dec 13, 2024

Took my 95 year old grandfather 3 weeks to get antibiotics while he was beginning to suffer from the symptoms of heart failure because he had bad injuries to his legs from scraping them while trying to get to hospital by driving himself because they refused to send an ambulance. The nurses were too lazy to check up on him and he's going through winter with his half blind wife trying to look after him, we're doing our best but we live very far away, all the nurses have done so far is call him a few times begging him to come back to hospital so they can get him in that system where he and I both know he will never get out of there alive. They finally sent someone to give him antibiotics but it felt like they were torturing him for not doing exactly what they told him to do.
This is the same hospital that has thousands of inbred children to look after because of the usual suspects marrying their first cousins.
I don't know man after this experience and the lack of jobs, first opportunity I get I'm going somewhere sane.

Chunky Salsa · Dec 13, 2024

FedPostalService said:
Did Bike Chad make excuses like that?

Chunky Salsa said:
That's 2).

Hard to have power when you're dead.

I'm saying that killing them would be attacking their power, that's the second option you can go with.

Chaos Theorist · Dec 13, 2024

Plastic Bag said:
Took my 95 year old grandfather 3 weeks to get antibiotics while he was beginning to suffer from the symptoms of heart failure because he had bad injuries to his legs from scraping them while trying to get to hospital by driving himself because they refused to send an ambulance. The nurses were too lazy to check up on him and he's going through winter with his half blind wife trying to look after him, we're doing our best but we live very far away, all the nurses have done so far is call him a few times begging him to come back to hospital so they can get him in that system where he and I both know he will never get out of there alive. They finally sent someone to give him antibiotics but it felt like they were torturing him for not doing exactly what they told him to do.
This is the same hospital that has thousands of inbred children to look after because of the usual suspects marrying their first cousins.
I don't know man after this experience and the lack of jobs, first opportunity I get I'm going somewhere sane.

If my grandfather was that ill I'd at least give him some taxi fare or try and go and help him idk

Plastic Bag · Dec 13, 2024

Chaos Theorist said:
If my grandfather was that ill I'd at least give him some taxi fare or try and go and help him idk

He either drove himself or got a taxi I don't know, we gave him enough money for either option but you know they want to be independent. He still damaged his legs getting out of the car.

Whoopsie Daisy · Dec 13, 2024

2nd month in a row that the economy has shrank. Labour get to reset the recession clock by virtue of Christmas. Maybe @teriyakiburns is correct in his estimation of total labour death by spring 2025.

Otterly · Dec 13, 2024

EddyRooney said:
In some cases, victims reporting serious crimes such as rape won't see suspects tried for four years.

And the people saying Rwandan stabber was bad hot locked up in a week or so

Plastic Bag said:
They finally sent someone

Your power word is PALS. they put the fear of God into middle management still. https://www.nhs.uk/nhs-services/hospitals/what-is-pals-patient-advice-and-liaison-service/

Morethanabitfoolish · Dec 13, 2024

Otterly said:
And the people saying Rwandan stabber was bad hot locked up in a week or so

And four months after the Manchester Airport stuff there's still no charging decisions.

isalaide · Dec 13, 2024

Otterly said:
Your power word is PALS. they put the fear of God into middle management still. https://www.nhs.uk/nhs-services/hospitals/what-is-pals-patient-advice-and-liaison-service/

Nah, not this time for once, though I know you always mean well. In this thread there are often discussions about how the NHS has collapsed, how the elderly are cared for in current year UK, the cost of social care, and all those issues. Let us not glaze the example in front of us. This story right here is the exact reason the NHS has finally collapsed, the hospitals have literally no beds, the social care need is completely beyond the capacity of the state to staff and pay for. This is the very shit we pontificate about about once a week.

@Plastic Bag, you sound like a young dude, and your grandfather has, I assume, living children whose job it is to organise and decide on his care and living situation. You're only a grandchild; none of this is on you. This is not a situation of your making. It is also not a situation of your grandfather's making. I am heart sorry to hear what has happened to him, and I hope he is very much on the mend.

The people who are responsible for what has happened here are your grandfather's children, who have effectively abandoned him in the community in his frail old age. They have chosen to live far away; they didn't wake up one day at the other end of the country and notice he was gone. He's not a cat, he didn't just fuck off of under his own power one afternoon. There was a conscious choice there to leave him alone and unsupported in the community. The idea that an elderly half blind old woman can support all of his needs in the way an entire extended family could is both incorrect, and monstrously unfair to this old lady, who frankly clearly needs support herself.

Old people get old. They get frailer. Sicker. A little bit slower and more easily confused. They start to need a little help with some things, and then surprisingly quickly they need quite a bit of help with quite a few things. The usual path from 'healthy independent' old age to 'dying in acute receiving' is a very simple and terrifyingly short one. The old person has an accident doing something they normally would be able to do, and then the very little help they need from family to recover and then to manage long term isn't there. So they can't be in the community. So they end up in hospital, where you are absolutely fucking right: they die. Hospitalisation at the age of 95 in the middle of the winter virus season will kill your grandad. Being off legs in a bed for even a week to ten days: he will never recover his strength and mobility.

But the very reason he is going to end up in hospital is the very reason he's ended up injured in the first place: there's no one there to help him and he needs help. He didn't need 24/7 care, and you're dead right: his quality of life and health were much better in the community with his wife. But to sustain that living arrangement, they needed a family who dropped in for half an hour, an hour every day. To check on them, to do some more complicated or tiring errands. To drive them to the hospital.

He had an accident because an ambulance would not take him, a man fit enough to drive and fit enough to live in the community, to the hospital in a non-emergency situation. The ambulance is not a fucking taxi service. The reason people are dying of heart attacks and strokes before the ambulances can get this is exactly this fucking reason: they are continually being called and the service being pressured to provide what is effectively an escorted taxi service in the community. An ambulance and its crew are an emergency service. Your family members' decision to leave your grandad without any practical support at the other end of the country is not an emergency. Their refusal or inability to bring him to a medical facility does not mean he is medically incapacitated to get there. Ambulances are for people who are already so fucking sick they might die and need emergency support to survive the trip. They are not for families who find themselves inconveniently far away. Failing to meet your caring responsibilities is not the fault of the state. It is not the fault of the NHS that no one brought your grandad to the hospital, any more that it is the responsibility of the education department to take my kids home and give them snacks and do homework if I just don't bother my arse to turn up at the end of school one day.

The entire social fabric of the UK is in tatters because family after family after family has walked away from its traditional caring responsibilities towards its older members because it didn't suit them. It was too much effort. People 'had' to go to work. People wanted to move house. People had kids. People were busy. That's all well and good, but there's a straight trade-off: it is simply not possible, or even fair, that the taxpayer and the government should somehow step in to uphold your personal familial obligations. The squealing in the media about the length of care visits to the elderly housebound comes from the very adult children who are passing 40 hours a week in a workplace and the rest of the week somewhere, anywhere, but at their parents' side giving them the care they require.

It was kind of your family to offer him the money for a taxi. What your family members actually needed to do was take him there and sit with him in A&E. You will rightly point out everyone lives very far away and works. Yes. Everyone has something they have chosen to prioritise above caring for your old grandad. And that's why he might die. Not because an ambulance isn't a taxi, or Blue Labour, or muh immigrants - absolutely not them for once, there are barely any non-white elderly people in residential care in the UK, because they don't fucking do this to their old folks. Because the people who he cared for when they were weaker and needed help are not doing that for him in his old age. The adult social care budget has not been exploded by twentysomething brown foreigners; it's been completely killed at birth by the totally understandable and predictable needs of eighty something old folk who are a bit unsteady, a bit slow, have multiple health conditions that aren't much on their own but add up to eight pills a day and not being all that sharp any more. People who need a wee hand, and have absolutely no one coming round to do that. There is no way for any state, any government, to give those people the small dose but high frequency and long term support they require. It's not possible and the refusal to accept this is literally killing elderly people by the shovel load every fucking day. The reason you can't get an NHS bed is euphemistically called "bed blocking" because "old people who clearly need to be discharged to supportive adults have been literally abandoned here by their adult children who are too busy to look after them" is an electoral poison pill. That doesn't make it any less true. This, right here, is the fucking blackpill of health and social care in the UK. Our elderly are dying of neglect, and the people neglecting them are their middle aged children. It is a slow sort of neglect, so it kills them slowly and painfully and mostly alone.

There is absolutely no fucking substitute for a trusted network of family members who will answer the phone when something goes wrong and say "I'll be round in five minutes". Of course old people want to be independent. Who wouldn't? But the truth is, your grandad knew he had no choice but to say he would be fine and he'd get himself to a doctor, because your grandad knew no one was coming. No one was going to be round in their nice warm car in ten minutes to give him a lift, and a hand in and out of the hospital, and someone to keep him company until he was seen. No one was coming to help his wife look after him and help her around the house when he needed more help after his injuries. No one was coming. No one has actually even been yet, have they? The district nurses are saying he needs (and three weeks after infected leg injuries, I wouldn't doubt them; they have actually seen the wounds and changed the dressings) a hospitalisation that will kill him. And.... who has said he and his wife can move in, at least for a while? Who is taking a leave of absence to move in with them for a while, even just a few weeks, to get them back on their feet?

No one, you say, because everyone needs to work or has kids here or other obligations. That's fine. That's a choice, though. Families have every right to make that choice, but you have to take accountability for it too. It's a choice that has left your grandad in this position.

I hope the district nurses are wrong, and he does rally and recover. But your family need to make the decisions that may result in the end of his life in days or weeks understanding that that is what they are doing. There is no magical home care nurse or full time care assistant coming. There is no one to look after him except his poor wife, and his family. The cavalry are not coming, and decisions about his care and living arrangements need to be made in the harsh light of that reality. That's not on you. You're a grandkid. You are also being let down here, because you shouldn't be inveigled into a conspiracy of "we can't do anything" that will metamorphose at the funeral into "how did this happen, fucking council". The people who can solve this problem are choosing not to do so.

teriyakiburns · Dec 13, 2024

Bog-standard Poster said:
2nd month in a row that the economy has shrank. Labour get to reset the recession clock by virtue of Christmas. Maybe @teriyakiburns is correct in his estimation of total labour death by spring 2025.

I don't know what they expected, after raising every tax they could find and then inventing some new ones for the fun of it. The economy was already shambolic, but just about surviving after the intensely stupid costs the tories saddled us with. Now Reeves is adding more, but thinks that it will somehow magically work in reverse.

If I do end up being right about labour collapsing, I'll shit myself laughing at the fact my fanfiction came true. Maybe I should hope for a few terrible experiences for Starmer and his goons. They deserve everything that could possibly happen to them.

Morethanabitfoolish · Dec 14, 2024

Always lovely to see Labour's efforts to destroy the country continue. Why should the peasants have jury trials, we'll just get a judge to declare them guilty.

https://archive.ph/azTO7

Court delays experienced by victims and defendants are unacceptable, the man leading the government's review into the backlog of criminal cases has said.
Sir Brian Leveson, a retired High Court judge, told BBC Radio 4's Today programme "radical" steps would need to be taken to tackle the "crisis" which has seen cases added to the criminal justice system "faster than they can be removed."
Figures released by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ) show 73,105 trials were unheard at the end of September, almost double the number in 2019.
Sir Brian's report, due next year, will consider the creation of intermediate courts, where cases could be heard by a judge flanked by magistrates, to reduce the backlog.

Speaking for the first time since the announcement of the review, Sir Brian said the number of prosecutions waiting to be dealt with was "unsustainable" - with listings now running into 2027.
"This isn't so much a challenge," he told the BBC, "it's a crisis in the criminal justice system which has to be addressed".
Adding: "It isn't acceptable for victims, it isn't acceptable for witnesses who have to - bear in mind - remember what had happened and be able to deal with it so many years later, it isn't acceptable for defendants who have allegations hanging over their heads for years and years."
Figures published by the MoJ on Thursday showed the backlog in Crown Courts at the end of September was up 10% in a year.
Asked whether the number of cases being dealt with in the courts needed to be considered, Sir Brian said: "I think that's a good question, and one of the issues that will have to be considered.
"The extent to which we can divert people from the criminal justice system is a live one and that's one of the areas I will be looking at," he said, adding intermediate courts currently do not exist, "so you're either in the magistrates' court or you're in a Crown Court."
One suggestion is that the jury could be replaced in many middle-ranking cases by a single district judge and two community magistrates.
Sir Brian would consider whether magistrates should have a broader remit to deal with more cases, potentially including increasing their sentencing powers.
On Thursday, Justice Secretary, Shabana Mahmood described the backlog as "unprecedented".
"We owe it to victims to find bold, innovative approaches that will speed up justice," she said, adding criminals should know "they will quickly face the consequence of their actions."
The review was also welcomed by the chair of the Magistrates' Association which said its members were willing to help with the backlog - with "highly trained" magistrates already dealing with 90 per cent of criminal cases.
However, the chair of the Criminal Bar Association - which represents barristers who are central to Crown Court cases - said the review had to also address how much cash was available for justice.
"Action and investment into the criminal courts system is needed now," said Mary Prior KC.
Former judge Sir Brian, also made reference to the widespread disorder over the summer which spread across the UK following the killing of three girls in Southport.
Fuelled by a surge of online misinformation, the riots saw buildings including mosques and hotels housing asylum seekers vandalised and dozens of police officers injured.
"The best deterrent to crime is speedy justice," said Sir Brian, "and that was revealed recently during the riots, where cases were put through the courts very quickly and those riots died down.
"People were being sentenced, convicted, tried, all within a speedy time," said Sir Brian, "and that's the way we deter crime best - by early detection, early prosecution and early resolution."
Sir Brian's report will land on ministers' desks around the same time as a parallel review of sentencing of offenders.
If both reviews recommend major changes, and ministers accept those ideas, they would represent the most significant changes to the criminal justice system in a generation.

That he's trying to claim speedy sentences caused the riots to stop is a particularly egregious lie.

FedPostalService · Dec 14, 2024

Morethanabitfoolish said:
Always lovely to see Labour's efforts to destroy the country continue. Why should the peasants have jury trials, we'll just get a judge to declare them guilty.

The tried to do this in Scotland during Covid and Gove had to tell them to BTFO

Morethanabitfoolish · Dec 14, 2024

FedPostalService said:
The tried to do this in Scotland during Covid and Gove had to tell them to BTFO

Unfortunately now it's the UK government suggesting it, so there's no brakes on this crazy train.

bort420 · Dec 14, 2024

UK-cels seething at the lack of the sixth amendment

Unyielding Stupidity · Dec 14, 2024

Mound Dweller said:
they eat weird food like toad in the hole

Actual vantablack gorilla wog post, genuinely one of the worst things I've ever seen on this website.
I hope for your sake that you're Somali, as being a bulbhead is the only way that you can justify typing such retarded, inane drivel. Or is it just hip to pretend to be a quadraspazzed invalid nowadays?

Mound Dweller · Dec 14, 2024

Unyielding Stupidity said:
Actual vantablack gorilla wog post, genuinely one of the worst things I've ever seen on this website.
I hope for your sake that you're Somali, as being a bulbhead is the only way that you can justify typing such retarded, inane drivel. Or is it just hip to pretend to be a quadraspazzed invalid nowadays?

It's called having taste buds.
Yorkshire puddings are shit and always have been, sausages are also overrated but at least they're generally edible between bread or with some chips.
Combining the two? That's the sort of silliness you'd expect from the blitz generation alright, much like the Chinese who had intergenerational famine and gave us virgin boy eggs and bat soup as a result.
Toad in the hole is in the same tier as water sandwiches and raw haggis, it is why the continentals laugh at us, now black pudding on the other hand that's real food.

Chaos Theorist · Dec 14, 2024

Mound Dweller said:
It's called having taste buds.
Yorkshire puddings are shit and always have been, sausages are also overrated but at least they're generally edible between bread or with some chips.
Combining the two? That's the sort of silliness you'd expect from the blitz generation alright, much like the Chinese who had intergenerational famine and gave us virgin boy eggs and bat soup as a result.
Toad in the hole is in the same tier as water sandwiches and raw haggis, it is why the continentals laugh at us, now black pudding on the other hand that's real food.

Yorkshire puddings are cheap tasty filler to go with Sunday Roasts
Toad in the Hole is just cheap filler food that tastes good because of sausages and gravy
Imagine waking up and being angry at Toad in the Hole

85CentSoda · Dec 14, 2024

Mound Dweller said:
Yorkshire puddings are shit and always have been, sausages are also overrated but at least they're generally edible between bread or with some chips.
Combining the two? That's the sort of silliness you'd expect from the blitz generation alright, much like the Chinese who had intergenerational famine and gave us virgin boy eggs and bat soup as a result.

Imagine comparing Toad in the Hole to Chinese "delicacies."

UK British News Megathread - aka CWCissey's news thread

FedPostalService

Delivering threats in Minecraft

Whoopsie Daisy

Ask me about how teen boys deserve to be molested

Hellbound Hellhound

Plastic Bag

Learn, don’t teach

Chunky Salsa

Chaos Theorist

It would be spiteful To put jellyfish in a trifle

Plastic Bag

Learn, don’t teach

Whoopsie Daisy

Ask me about how teen boys deserve to be molested

Otterly

Primark Primarch

Morethanabitfoolish

Bruh.

isalaide

has no gun and a bad lawyer

teriyakiburns

If a cow got the chance, he'd eat you!

Morethanabitfoolish

Bruh.

FedPostalService

Delivering threats in Minecraft

Morethanabitfoolish

Bruh.

bort420

Unyielding Stupidity

DUCANIEL IS A FUCK, 410,757,864,530 DEAD GOBLINS

Mound Dweller

Orcneas

Chaos Theorist

It would be spiteful To put jellyfish in a trifle

85CentSoda