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Genwhunners are a plague. They exist on every fandom. "Their first album was their best", "the first season was the best", "the first movie was the best". And in many cases they are right but not with Pokemon. The best games were the Gens 4-6. l think you guys need a reminder of how much clankier the Gens 1 & 2 were. I played Crystal and it was rougher than I imagined it would be.
Who cares about strict mechanical polish? You can polish a turd all day and it won't be any better for it. Gens 1 & 2 had soul that gradually vanished until it became a woke pile of shit that's buggier than ever.

Gens 4-6 are fine, but they're more sterile and corporate, and you can tell. I genuinely can't even remember any of their stories or characters or even tie which Team Rocket clones go to which games in those, if I even remember their names.

And in case anyone says it, it's not because I wasn't a kid anymore either, by that logic I wouldn't like certain later games in other kid friendly franchises either. People don't criticize New Super Mario Bros because they're not 12 anymore, it's because they have legitimate gripes.
 
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Gens 4-6 are fine, but they're more sterile and corporate, and you can tell. I genuinely can't even remember any of their stories or characters or even tie which Team Rocket clones go to which games in those, if I even remember their names.
Gens 1 & 2 were charming but that is it. Amateurish charm can only carry you so far. And Team Rocket is mainly remembered for the anime. Apart from that, they were a standard evil organization. The other teams have other goals that differ from pure world domination. Let us not pretend that the writing Team Rocket had was Shakespearean. They were just crooks.

And your fence-sitting is annoying. Why are you going so hard on the defense?

I'm not a genwoner, and I never said these games were perfect. My point was that I prefer the older games to the newer ones.
Dismissing the quality improvement of the later Gens on every level is stupid. Point is, the first games felt incomplete and later we got a lot of quality of life improvements. It is fine to have a favourite gen (we all have em) but saying that the ones after should blanketly not exist makes you sound like a Genwunner. Prefer the first all you want, nothing wrong with that. Just do not dismiss the rest as worse. I like things more than other, more objectively better things too. That does not mean that my preferences are the better ones and I lose all objective reasoning. Gen 1 & 2 clicked better for you, understand that this does not go for everyone.
 
Who cares about strict mechanical polish? You can polish a turd all day and it won't be any better for it. Gens 1 & 2 had soul that gradually vanished until it became a woke pile of shit that's buggier than ever.

Gens 4-6 are fine, but they're more sterile and corporate, and you can tell. I genuinely can't even remember any of their stories or characters or even tie which Team Rocket clones go to which games in those, if I even remember their names.

And in case anyone says it, it's not because I wasn't a kid anymore either, by that logic I wouldn't like certain later games in other kid friendly franchises either. People don't criticize New Super Mario Bros because they're not 12 anymore, it's because they have legitimate gripes.
Gen 1 was good, but Gen 2 was honestly the worst Pokemon game pre woke.

The designs were boring and the world felt empty despite the increased scale of said world, not to mention the general lack of challenge up until red.
 
Is the Diamond/Pearl remake a good game for the Switch? Craving some nice old school Pokemon gameplay, but i can't go back to Scarlet. The more i look at it, and the more i see where the series is headed, i just can't follow it anymore. These fucking character designs are atrocious.

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Miss the old Sugimori style. Even the more "unique" characters still looked like actual human beings

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Did you expect them to stay forever? People die and/or retire. That was inevitable. It is not a failing of Nintendo that this happened. And that era was not as great as you might think it was. It had ups and downs.
>"It's okay that they're worse now because getting worse was inevitable"

I don't know if you realize you're doing this, but a lot of your arguments are strawmanning that people who prefer the thing that you don't prefer are blinded by nostalgia/anti-nostalgia. It's possible to see the problems that existed within creative-to-a-fault Nintendo 10/15/20 years ago and still prefer them to the, for lack of a better word, corporate way they operate today. It's possible to see the duct tape holding gen 1/2 Pokemon together and still prefer it over the soulless mess that is gen 8/9.
 
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So images of the Switch 2 form factor and button layout get leaked today and this is what the thread is talking about?
They leaked like 2 months ago, all that’s changed is that we know those leaks were true.
Glory to the CCP!

Also, pre Gen 3 Pokemon sucks ass. It’s very impressive for the hardware and that’s it. It’s viewed fondly because people grew up with it.
 
I'd love to hear your defence of Gen 2.
100 new cool pokemon, probably the highest number added that became interesting or iconic and not just filler.

2 new types that helped to balance vs the broken psychic heavy lineup of the previous games.

Best ever sprite work and cool animation in Crystal.

They served as a massive extension of the first games rather than being a general reset as every proceeding generation tried to do. This is best demonstrated by being able to directly trade back to red/blue/yellow, something no other new generation has done.

Added eggs/breeding, shiny pokemon, special attack / def split.

The games were in fucking color and not the shit Super Game Boy color but real full color. Maybe this is a "you had to be there" thing but I still jump from one to the next and am blown away by how much of a difference it makes.

Best of all it wasn't full of bugs, you couldn't ride along an island and cheat your way into 100x of any item you had to actually try to play the game properly, and a 100% hit chance means no it will always hit not a 1/255 chance of missing.

It's the biggest leap the series ever made while still being respectful and faithful to what it started with. What more could you really want? Everything after just became a super formulaic refresh until they threw out the baby with the bathwater.
 
I don't know if you realize you're doing this, but a lot of your arguments are strawmanning that people who prefer the thing that you don't prefer are blinded by nostalgia/anti-nostalgia. It's possible to see the problems that existed within creative-to-a-fault Nintendo 10/15/20 years ago and still prefer them to the, for lack of a better word, corporate way they operate today. It's possible to see the duct tape holding gen 1/2 Pokemon together and still prefer it over the soulless mess that is gen 8/9.
Not really, I do believe that Nintendo is not better or worse than it was a few years ago. Just a different version of the same level of quality. Not going to defend the gameplay of Gen 8 & 9 as superior though I liked the companion characters more. It is perfectly fine to like something more than the objectively better version of it if the older version clicks with you better as long as you realise you are doing it. Point is, later Gens improved things on average. And I would not call modern Game Freak corporate or soulless. Amateurish and ignorant would be the words I would use. Amateurish because they were not train in overall design better and ignorant of how much more manpower and effort it takes to create an open world, fully 3D RPG.
 
Gens 1 & 2 were charming but that is it. Amateurish charm can only carry you so far. And Team Rocket is mainly remembered for the anime. Apart from that, they were a standard evil organization. The other teams have other goals that differ from pure world domination. Let us not pretend that the writing Team Rocket had was Shakespearean. They were just crooks.
Someone said simplicity can be better, and I agree completely. I don't care about some wacky, long-winded Team Rocket ripoffs with some gimmicky goals and yapping cheerleader rivals. Pokemon feels like a chore at times post-gen 2.

It's possible to see the duct tape holding gen 1/2 Pokemon together and still prefer it over the soulless mess that is gen 8/9.
Yeah, that's basically it in a nutshell.

Gen 1 was good, but Gen 2 was honestly the worst Pokemon game pre woke.

The designs were boring and the world felt empty despite the increased scale of said world, not to mention the general lack of challenge up until red.
Designs were absolutely top tier. Fucking Ho-Oh, Feraligatr, Houndoom? Some of the best ever. As an adult no Pokemon games are very challenging unless you underlevel by avoiding fights, but the challenge was about right as a kid.

It's the biggest leap the series ever made while still being respectful and faithful to what it started with. What more could you really want?
Absolutely true. Gen 2 added more (and did it 100% organically) than any other gen, and it was all good stuff, not just gimmicks like Mega Evolution.

And I would not call modern Game Freak corporate or soulless.
You're right, that started 20 years ago with gen 3 a little bit, so it's not "modern" Game Freak that has that problem.
 
Someone said simplicity can be better, and I agree completely. I don't care about some wacky, long-winded Team Rocket ripoffs with some gimmicky goals and yapping cheerleader rivals. Pokemon feels like a chore at times post-gen 2.
It can be better but it can be worse too. The cheerleader rivals are a downgrade though.

Designs were absolutely top tier. Fucking Ho-Oh, Feraligatr, Houndoom? Some of the best ever. As an adult no Pokemon games are very challenging unless you underlevel by avoiding fights, but the challenge was about right as a kid.
It is true that there were some great designs but I hold little love for the starters personally. It is very subjective. Do not pretend that the designs were banger after banger.

Yeah, that's basically it in a nutshell.
You're right, that started 20 years ago with gen 3 a little bit, so it's not "modern" Game Freak that has that problem.
If it walks, talks and looks like a Genwunner... You can praise the hell out of a Ford model T for what it achieved but do not act like it is the best car ever.
 
The WiiU, the DLCs locked behind the Amiibos, paid online... what a way to end Nintendo.
You could buy a stack of amiibo cards off eBay for like $5. And it's not like core game elements were locked behind the amiibo dlc.
 
If it walks, talks and looks like a Genwunner...
What is it with people who use the “if it walks like a duck…” analogy having the faggiest takes imaginable? It’s way too common to be a coincidence.
You can praise the hell out of a Ford model T for what it achieved but do not act like it is the best car ever.
There it is again.
>”I like Thing A”
<“I prefer Thing B”
>”Well Thing B has its problems too don’t act like it’s perfect!!!”
 
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What is it with people who use the “if it walks like a duck…” analogy having the faggiest takes imaginable? It’s way too common to be a coincidence.
Genwunner is one that has some specific opinions. If you have those specific opinions, then you are one. This is not "Hitler ate sugar" fallacy. Stop acting like it is.

There it is again.
>”I like Thing A”
<“I prefer Thing B”
>”Well Thing B has its problems too don’t act like it’s perfect!!!”
Except that it is not how the conversation started.
Here is how it actually went:

< "Every game after Gen 2 sucked and they should not have been made"
> "The Gens after improved the gameplay and the overall experience quite a bit"
< "I do not care that the rest of the Gens were enjoyable and more polished, they sucked"

Read the entire conversation next time. I did not say people are not allowed to prefer the earlier stuff. I said that the later stuff were just as good and deserve to exist. Do not take my words out of context.
 
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