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fukefacedog said:

New Jersey Mayor Michael Melham shares video of mystery drones maneuvering around each other​

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Mystery drone filmed from airplane in New York​

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Two mystery drones fly right by each other​

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NJ Drone Hunters (RJN Productions) is live!​

Livestream. Youtube requires 1000 subs before you can view without being subbed to their channel. This guy is pretty close to getting there.


Nothing's going on on the stream he's just sitting around on the road right now.

"Clearly they want to be seen"

As I seek around earlier parts of the stream he is recording some kind of aircraft. Looks like a normal craft.
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  • Lense flare, shaped exactly as the plane.

  • Airplane on approach to land at LaGuardia.

  • Two planes flying opposite direction, different altitudes.
 
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fukefacedog said:

"ABC News crew captures clear footage of UFO"​

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Jesus fucking Christ.

TL;DR: You are seeing a very well known diffraction effect due to the object being out of focus.

As anyone who is familiar with optics, or has practical experience as an amateur astronomer will tell you - that is a Fresnel diffraction pattern from an out of focus object (sometimes somewhat incorrectly called Airy - the Airy disc and rings are formed in-focus, not out of focus).
You can see many examples of them here. Amateur astronomers are familiar with these, as the patterns can be used to test the quality of the optical system.

The shimmering is due to atmospheric turbulence. Diffraction and refraction both depend on wavelength. How much turbulence refracts lights affects how out of focus the object is. This leads to the scintillating colors. Get virtually any telescope and use 50x or above and look at a star or distant point source out of focus and it will look like this. The color effect is more pronounced in all but the most high-end refractive optics, less so in genuine apochromatic systems or reflector telescopes, as refractive optics have some amount of longitudinal chromatic aberration - meaning the light of different colors comes to focus at different points along the optical axis.

The odd shapes of some of these are most likely due to the fact they are not point sources, but large enough to be resolved. Imperfections and the lens design can also cause the pattern and shapes to vary.

Claiming this is some NHI drone or real ayylmao or whatever is fucking embarrassing. I'm not sure if it's more or less embarrassing than all the really obvious examples of everyday aircraft being misidentified as "drones" during this period of hyped up paranoia.
 
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I posted this in an A&N thread earlier today. This is in reference to the 2023 Chinese spy balloon:
Administration officials at first hoped to conceal the balloon’s existence from the public, and from Congress, according to multiple former and current administration and congressional officials.

“Before it was spotted publicly, there was the intention to study it and let it pass over and not ever tell anyone about it,” said a former senior U.S. official briefed on the balloon incident.
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I assume the same thing is taking place with this whole drone fiasco.
 
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GradeAGobbleDeeGook said:
Mick West releases a video with his thoughts on the drones
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Mick West is NOT beating the paid government shill allegations. Once again, he tows the White House Establishment Line, and disregards any logic or thought process that inhibits that. Anyone who follows this guy is braindead and lacks any ability to think critically.

If it was just hysteria and nonsense, then the DOD and local authorities wouldn't be so concerned. He has no explanation for any of that, just the usual "nothing to see here!" that he's been hammering on increasingly more desperate for years now.
 
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John Badman said:
I’m wondering why we haven’t seen satellite images yet if they have the capability to pick out individual people. A car sized object should be visible with government equipment.
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Can't use intelligence satellites to collect on US territory for domestic law enforcement. It would be better to send up a plane with forensic backtracking capability and have it orbit the place for a few hours. I think that would be allowable under military support for civil authorities, assuming the military didn't scrap them all after the GWOT. But it would just show there are no drones (other than what civilians and police are operating) and so everyone would call it a cover up.
 
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Standardized Profile said:
Can't use intelligence satellites to collect on US territory for domestic law enforcement. It would be better to send up a plane with forensic backtracking capability and have it orbit the place for a few hours. I think that would be allowable under military support for civil authorities, assuming the military didn't scrap them all after the GWOT. But it would just show there are no drones (other than what civilians and police are operating) and so everyone would call it a cover up.
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The next best solution is ground radar frameworks like GREMLIN. If you can’t look down, look up.

Also if it’s law based I don’t think unmanned aerial systems are protected, especially if nobody knows what it is. The necessity of national security outweighs the ethical implication of special use case.
 
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I still think it's all related to this. Hochul mentions it yesterday, Mayorkas today.
He called for Congress to act quickly to extend and expand the current drone-countering authorities — authorized in the Federal Aviation Administration Reauthorization Act of 2018 — which are set to expire on Dec. 20. The law enables the Homeland Security and Justice Departments to use advanced detection technologies to identify, track and mitigate drones.

"It is critical, as we all have said for a number of years, that we need from Congress additional authorities to address the drone situation," Mayorkas said in the ABC interview with George Stephanopoulos.

A joint congressional subcommittee hearing held last week centered on a bipartisan bill — called the Counter-UAS Authority Security, Safety, and Reauthorization Act — that would expand federal drone-countering measures, like bolstering the FAA's oversight powers of drones.
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Standardized Profile said:
assuming the military didn't scrap them all after the GWOT.
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We have these that would work well:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beechcraft_RC-12_Guardrail
It collects low-, mid- and high-band radio signals and ELINT signals, identifies and classifies them, determines source location, and provides near-real-time reporting.
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clipartfan92 said:
I still think it's all related to this. Hochul mentions it yesterday, Mayorkas today.

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We have these that would work well:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beechcraft_RC-12_Guardrail
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Guardrail's a SIGINT thing and useless if these drones are autonomous or have good transmission security. There are C-12s with EO/IR packages, but they wouldn't be useful here. (It's hard enough to find something on the ground, slewing a sensor wildly about the sky looking for a suspicious pixel is a fool's game.) Forensic backtracking, however, would allow an analyst to trace an arbitrary number of nefarious drones back to their points of origin even they're not emitting and are too stealthy for radar. We know they show up in the visible spectrum, they're illuminated for some reason, and they reportedly fly at an altitude of just a few hundred feet, so it would be fairly easy to identify their areas of interest and track them back to their mothership or whatever. If they actually existed, which they don't.
 
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