Diseased Rowling Derangement Syndrome - "TERF/Woke Author Bad!!1"

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I can see your point, perhaps, but I am going to have to push back against it somewhat.

The original might well still exist, but that doesn't matter if the adaptation eclipses the original in the popular imagination.
It's an old issue. Even if the adaptation does not tarnish the reputation of the original work, it may still completely supplant the original message of the work.

Case in point: Dracula and Frankenstein. Both classic horror novels, everyone heard about them, but almost everyone bases all their knowledge about them on the very unfaithful early adaptations and later readaptations that copy the inventions of those early adaptations.
 
I also think it depends on the age and pedigree of the material being adapted, as well as the size of the fandom and the track record of financial success enjoyed by the IP.

I think Harry Potter is big enough and iconic enough that there are room for multiple adaptations with different casts, different visions and different focuses, even if I don't necessarily want there to be.

Something like The Boys, meanwhile? That cringey Amazon Prime show, twisting this fairly niche indie comic into something that it was never really supposed to be? That's probably the only adaptation of that we're ever going to get. I don't feel like people are going to try that again.
 
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I keep saying this about all the various IPs that are being sucked dry and picked clean at the moment: THE ORIGINAL STILL EXISTS. The Lord of the Rings books are still available if Rings of Power makes you salty. 2D animated Disney films are still out there if you hate the remakes. Most of the HP movies were garbage but my teen Potterfag ass did not care because the books were better anyway. If you hate Disney Star Wars*... ignore them. Disney has no power over you.

*Star Wars is a fraught example because George Lucas wanted to "improve" the originals, but... my point stands

I have to disagree with this quite a bit, new adaptions and sequels and the like can, have and will affect the original in a cultural sense.

Since you brought up Star Wars, just for a minute try to imagine a world where the first movie was all we ever got.

- Darth Vader would be remembered as a great henchman that got shit done and who was not in any way shape or form related to Luke or Lea.
- The Jedi were indeed a long abandoned and antiquated religion of sorts.
- Lots of people would be shipping Luke and Lea together.
- There would be a lot of speculation about what the Clone Wars would've been, probably just a bunch of cloned monsters invading shit or something.

But especially Ben's story about Vader being seduced by the dark side and killing Luke's father would have to be taken at face value.
Darth Vader would never have been Anakin Skywalker, Darth Vader would have been his actual name instead of a title.
What supposedly passed for a mother would've actually called him Darth.

And before you say anything, various people who worked on this first movie did say that there weren't really plans for a sequel before it became a smash hit.
So all that I have mentioned here would have been how the movie was viewed from a cultural standpoint, sequels and prequels and all the things have heavily altered how people perceive the first Star Wars movie.
This isn't necessarily a bad or good thing mind you, it's just what has objectively happened to the first Star Wars movie.


This new Harry Potter adaption could cause a similar thing to happen especially with all the changed races and such.

As a quick aside regarding the increased age of the adult characters like Snape, Sirius, Remus and co-

JK famously handpicked Alan Rickman as Snape, though as we all know he was about 10-20 years older than Snape would have been in the books.
But if you look at all the other characters that are in Snape's age group like Sirius, Lupin and Peter they were all played by actors in their forties at least.
Alan Rickman was 54 in the first movie, Gary Oldman was 44 in the third movie.

So while it's not quite perfect the 'timeline' still works out well enough since all relevant characters were aged up a bit.
 
He and Warren Ellis are such annoying tranny chasers who gave up on keeping it out of their work after they made it big.

Apparently not enough for the stinkditch sniffers.

Anyway, back on topic:


This bitch showed up in my recommended today, and intrigued by the video's title, I thought I'd give it a go. My hackles were already up when I heard the voices of Innuendo Studios, Sarah Z and Jessie Gender in the opening, reading reviews of a book called The Magicians by Levy Grossman, which I'll admit I haven't read, and based on all the blurb at the beginning, I think sounds shit and have no desire to.

I inevitably expected the usual Two Minutes Hate for J.K. Rowling, and my Nostradamus-like precognitive abilities were vindicated at the 8:54 mark. Absolutely deranged.

"Unless she repents and returns to the Lord, she can rot in Hell and her books can too. Trans rights are human rights."

Jesus, and they say they're not a cult. Are these people getting their talking points from the fucking evangelicals, thirty years ago? Wait 'til they find out about Pokemon - 'Pokemon' is Japanese for 'transphobia', don'tcha know!

Another highlight for me was her refusal to investigate a Harry Potter for Grown-Ups fan group, because Chrome flagged it as an unsafe link and it was based in the UK (which is where TERFs come from) and "I'm not playing any games with a group loudly and proudly associating itself with Harry Potter in the UK in 2024, thank you very much."

It's not because it's the dark web or something, you fucking stupid foid. It's because they haven't upgraded to https yet. Probably because it's an old ass fucking fan group from 1999.
 
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My own personal conspiracy theory is that the reason these Breadtube-adjacent video essayist types like to make their videos about four hours long is because it's a weird kind of defence mechanism - they assume (largely correctly) that people who disagree with them will not be prepared to waste their time sitting through such a long video, which enables them to put any ridiculous, ill-informed bullshit they want in their videos, knowing that their audience is probably just going to let it wash over them anyway.

It also makes them a massive pain in the arse to trim down to make fun of.
 
The Magicians by Levy Grossman, which I'll admit I haven't read, and based on all the blurb at the beginning, I think sounds shit and have no desire to.
I had the feeling it was trying too hard to be the anti-HP, Narnia etc, so you didn't get any sympathetic characters or a great plot, but the basic idea about magic and other magical worlds not caring about some humans showing up and messing around wasn't too bad. Though probably not super innovative either. The later books are better than the first. There also was a rather woke TV show, though they did change a lot from the source and later killed off the main character and unironically used the words "a lifetime of cis-het frat-bro bias" to sort of justify the whole thing.

Anyway, bitches just jealous that they could never be as popular as HP.
 
I dunno, maybe this is somewhat ironic, me saying this, after previously talking about my love of The Boys, and I do admittedly feel kinda guilty for suddenly shifting into MAXIMUM ANTI-SEMITISM, but "Yeah, I'm writing this book that's like Harry Potter, but for grown-ups. And it's cynical and the characters are unlikable and there's going to be drugs and sex in it."

Oh, are you really, (((Levy Grossman)))?
Wow. That's so cool and original of you to do something like that. Taking something wholesome for children, full of magic and wonder, and subverting it in such a way. How unexpected. I almost didn't have to check your 'Early life' section on Wikipedia.
 
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My own personal conspiracy theory is that the reason these Breadtube-adjacent video essayist types like to make their videos about four hours long is because it's a weird kind of defence mechanism - they assume (largely correctly) that people who disagree with them will not be prepared to waste their time sitting through such a long video, which enables them to put any ridiculous, ill-informed bullshit they want in their videos, knowing that their audience is probably just going to let it wash over them anyway.

It also makes them a massive pain in the arse to trim down to make fun of.
The thing about the house elves as slaves is ridiculous, they are not people, they are magical fairy creatures, it is a parody of traditional fairytales. It makes the point that even if you truly believe you are doing the right thing, you might not be - you need to ask the person you’re “helping” what they actually want. To see it so literally shows a complete lack of imagination. It’s the same people who say the goblins are Jews or Tolkien is racist because trolls = black people, without seeing the hypocrisy that if you see parallels between the two it is you who is the racist one.
 
It's not because it's the dark web or something, you fucking stupid foid. It's because they haven't upgraded to https yet. Probably because it's an old ass fucking fan group from 1999.
Back in the days of eGroups and YahooGroups, there was an email list called HPForGrownups. It was for adults who wanted to talk about Harry Potter away from kids. I recall a kind of Unified Field Theory of fantasy (linking Narnia's Deep Magic with Voldemorte's line about Lily calling on the oldest magic, for example)and trying to map the Wizarding World onto real-life events as big topics of discussion. not so much shipping -- there were separate lists for that.
 
I had the feeling it was trying too hard to be the anti-HP, Narnia etc, so you didn't get any sympathetic characters or a great plot, but the basic idea about magic and other magical worlds not caring about some humans showing up and messing around wasn't too bad. Though probably not super innovative either. The later books are better than the first. There also was a rather woke TV show, though they did change a lot from the source and later killed off the main character and unironically used the words "a lifetime of cis-het frat-bro bias" to sort of justify the whole thing.

Anyway, bitches just jealous that they could never be as popular as HP.
The Magicians show is SO WEIRD with the woke shit, though. I just have to bust in as someone who watched way too much of that shit because it's actually really bizarre. The show is actually intensely misogynistic and homophobic, like.. to an extreme degree, while also trying to pretend it's some woke shit because there's a couple of brown women in it.

They took a character who was a well-developed gay man in the books and turned him into a flamboyant homophobic stereotype... while making him nominally "bisexual" so no one will call them out on it; They even have a whole storyline where he's basically magically coerced into having sex with a woman against his will multiple times and it's played for laughs. They have one of the main female characters be violently raped and then have to go through hell to get a magical abortion that rips her soul out and leaves her an emotionless sociopathic husk of a woman in what I feel was a very clear anti-abortion message ("if you get an abortion you'll destroy your soul!"); She later commits a genocide. Eventually she gets her soul back but it's a very long plotline and very weird. Another female character is basically punished by the narrative every time she tries to actually commit to a relationship (literally, a dude she is into gets his head cut off and then the murderer tries to rape her) until she settles for a fat, ugly white nerd boy at which point her entire character collapses and she becomes a one-dimensional Love Interest (gosh, wonder what the male showrunner looks like?). And the main character they kill off - which the showrunners admitted they did because he was a "boring white straight boy" - had just been canonically confirmed in the show to actually be bisexual and the direction of the show was leading to him getting with the gay guy I mentioned first, but they killed him off before it could happen. There's a ton more but I don't want to be here all month reliving that horrendous fucking show.

So all this to say that the Magicians pretends to be a "woke" show by having snappy one-liners about girl power and how men suck, and having lots of black and brown characters, but it's actually basically the polar opposite of a "woke" show. It has anti-abortion messages, blatant homophobic material, murders a main character for the "crime" of potentially maybe getting with a dude in the future, it's misogynistic and it's just overall... gross. I'm still not sure how I watched as much of it as I did.

Shall we call it "woke in name only"? lol.
 
Petulant Guardian seething about how the Strike books are awful and only ready because of Harry Potter buried in a review of the new series of the show. Sounds like the online stuff gets ditched alas.

Is Robin Ellacott in love with Cormoran Strike? “I definitely don’t want to be,” says Robin (Holliday Grainger) of her friend and private-investigator business partner. “That’d screw everything up.” In the sixth season of Strike, a crime drama based on the sixth Strike novel by Robert Galbraith, AKA JK Rowling, it feels more than ever as though the show itself is afraid that this is true. Grainger and Tom Burke, who plays the titular Strike, do a lovely line in will-they-won’t-they romance, but the series might expire if that ever resolved itself, because the sleuthing part of it is moribund already.
As a work of crime fiction, the TV version of Strike is several removes from having a compelling reason to exist. It is based on a series of hit novels – fine, nearly all detective dramas are – but these books aren’t especially well regarded. They surely attract as many sales and comment pieces as they do only because their author created Harry Potter. That is no help for a TV show trying to succeed on its own terms.

The novel The Ink Black Heart presented the regular Strike screenwriter Tom Edge with his toughest challenge yet. Criticisms of the book coalesced around two observations: at more than 1,000 pages, it was far too long; and its exploration of online fandom and comment culture, often rendered as long transcripts of chat threads and social media conversations, was self-indulgent and impenetrable. Edge has done a decent job of planing that doorstopper into four hours of telly, although his quest to extract a strong narrative from the verbiage was an impossible one.
It’s not a sufficiently gripping tale for festive BBC One primetime, but it’s not a mess, either
The case begins when the writer of a cult YouTube cartoon, called The Ink Black Heart, is murdered. The dead author had, in a meeting with Robin, alleged that the anonymous creator of an unofficial spin-off game had been harassing and threatening her. As they line up the chief suspects for the online stalking and subsequent killing, in search of an agitator known only by their internet alias “Anomie”, Robin and Strike consider whether a jealous rival, a spurned associate or the members of a far-right activist group are to blame.

The screen version dispenses with most of the online discourse of the novel – it was almost unreadable, so it would definitely be unfilmable – although there are some lifeless scenes of Robin and Strike scrolling through online comments or trawling video content for clues. (Their gambit is to eliminate suspects by putting them under surveillance and witnessing them otherwise engaged when Anomie is active online.) The unavoidable plot strand where Robin logs in as a player of Anomie’s game descends into the unintentionally hilarious; when Robin’s avatar probes the killer’s cloaked alter ego for clues, their interactions are rendered via crude animation and amusing text-to-speech computer voices.
With the book’s excesses and provocative subtexts stripped away, we are left with a workaday whodunnit in which a small community of people is entirely populated by potentially vengeful oddballs, only one of whom is a murderer. Four episodes later, the revelation is shrug-worthy, even to those viewers who didn’t guess it fairly early on. But Edge hits all the right beats, albeit at the slow pace dictated by the brand commanding a luxurious amount of screen time. It’s not a sufficiently gripping tale for festive BBC One primetime, but it’s not a mess, either.
The real business happens between Burke and Grainger, colleagues who adore each other but cannot say it. This time around, in the opening scene, Strike more or less does say it, when their chemistry becomes undeniable during Robin’s birthday dinner, but Robin panics and pulls away, to her mentor’s embarrassment. They avoid the subject, and each other, dating other people on the incorrect assumption that their beloved has become indifferent. Then the investigation pushes them closer together again and the cycle restarts.
Edge was responsible for the gorgeous romcom Lovesick, so he knows what he is doing here, as do the leads: Grainger’s open-hearted energy, ranged against Burke’s blend of imperious cunning and self-lacerating vulnerability, is affecting. But in the absence of any interesting crime-solving to distract us, the actors’ excellence doesn’t transcend the frustration of their characters’ relationship not being allowed to progress. Like everything else in Strike, the detectives’ love is starting to go stale.
To save people guessing

Pro-Hamas (I mean Palestine), pro illegal-migration and of course pro-trans. Guessing the last one is what made him type seething reviews of Rowling's work.
 
So all this to say that the Magicians pretends to be a "woke" show by having snappy one-liners about girl power and how men suck, and having lots of black and brown characters, but it's actually basically the polar opposite of a "woke" show. It has anti-abortion messages, blatant homophobic material, murders a main character for the "crime" of potentially maybe getting with a dude in the future, it's misogynistic and it's just overall... gross. I'm still not sure how I watched as much of it as I did.

Shall we call it "woke in name only"? lol.
I agree with what you said, a lot of happenings are not what you would call woke. But I think they weren't really trying to add anti-abortion or homophobic messages, it was just to be edgy. But they certainly wanted to be woke with all the shitting on white people and grrrl power moments, they just maybe missed the true woke train by a few years and nowadays they probably would not do any of those questionable storylines. They were sometimes criticized here and there but the fans of the show were still the kind of people you'd expect. On my search for the "cis-het" quote I found a review of that episode where they kept going on about "cis heteronormativity" and "marginalized people".
Killing off Quentin with the explanation "we need to get rid of the white cis man" was the only time they really pissed off people because he checked enough other boxes (and people do not really want the main character to be killed for lame reasons).
 
My own personal conspiracy theory is that the reason these Breadtube-adjacent video essayist types like to make their videos about four hours long is because it's a weird kind of defence mechanism - they assume (largely correctly) that people who disagree with them will not be prepared to waste their time sitting through such a long video, which enables them to put any ridiculous, ill-informed bullshit they want in their videos, knowing that their audience is probably just going to let it wash over them anyway.

It also makes them a massive pain in the arse to trim down to make fun of.

That isn't a conspiracy theory, ideologues of all stripes do that.

It's called the Gish Gallop, named after a young earth creationist who loved to pull that shit when arguing with people.
 
I can see your point, perhaps, but I am going to have to push back against it somewhat.

The original might well still exist, but that doesn't matter if the adaptation eclipses the original in the popular imagination.

Admittedly, this is a personal example, so I may be a bit too invested in this particular instance, and I really hope that this doesn't just read like me being a sad fucking nerd angry that people are doing their autistic special interest wrong.

But I'm a fan of The Boys comic series by Garth Ennis, and you'd be hard pressed to find anyone else who's actually read that comic online nowadays, because all people know is the TV show. The comic still exists, but people don't read it.
A much more normie example is Game of Thrones and A Song of Ice and Fire. When it comes to Stannis burning Shireen show-watchers will actually argue to book-readers that it happened in the books. It absolutely didn't. At this point it couldn't. But because it happened in the show and the show-watchers don't want to admit that they're show-watchers and not book-readers they will just pretend that the things they remembered are from the books. Now, there is a simple solution, just don't engage in the whole community, but that's still just one more thing that got taken from you because of a later adaptation of a thing you liked.

So all this to say that the Magicians pretends to be a "woke" show by having snappy one-liners about girl power and how men suck, and having lots of black and brown characters, but it's actually basically the polar opposite of a "woke" show. It has anti-abortion messages, blatant homophobic material, murders a main character for the "crime" of potentially maybe getting with a dude in the future, it's misogynistic and it's just overall... gross. I'm still not sure how I watched as much of it as I did.

Shall we call it "woke in name only"? lol.
A lot of these woke things go out of their way to make their black/brown/trans/enby/gay/female versions of previously white/heterosexual/male characters completely unlikable. I think that they view the original characters as being just as selfish and hateful and ugly, but getting away with it because of their privilege, so when they make their own diversified versions they also make them loathsome and then get confused and upset when people don't like them.

The thing about the house elves as slaves is ridiculous, they are not people, they are magical fairy creatures, it is a parody of traditional fairytales. It makes the point that even if you truly believe you are doing the right thing, you might not be - you need to ask the person you’re “helping” what they actually want. To see it so literally shows a complete lack of imagination. It’s the same people who say the goblins are Jews or Tolkien is racist because trolls = black people, without seeing the hypocrisy that if you see parallels between the two it is you who is the racist one.
This one reddit post has stuck with me
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Hey, Clark, she did make a point about this. That was the entire point of the S.P.E.W. arc, Hermione goes out to liberate the elves without asking them if they wanted to be liberated. The fact that you missed this isn't her failing as an author, it's you failing as a reader. I understand death of the author, but it's made pretty explicitly clear in the books that the elves (as magical creatures who don't necessarily share the same values as a late 20th/early 20th century human) enjoy housework and view not working in a house as a horrible fate.
 
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