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I really enjoyed Jeff. Here are a bunch of screengrabs of LawTubers from Twitter. thus far. Most were responding to Megan's tweet.

Megan
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Dani

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Ian
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Larry
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Rob
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Nate
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Kurt
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Alyte
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TUG (LawTube adjacent)
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Edit: Added Kurt's tweet.
Edit 2: And Alyte & TUG
 
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According to Megan Fox's twitter Legal Vices has died from heart failure.
Unsurprising, though, given that he appeared to be overweight and drank obscene amounts of alcohol periodically.

It's still a little surprising to hear that Jeff suddenly died of heart failure.

Heart failure in general is a chronic fatal condition with a gradual decline much like emphysema. In general, it isn't a thunderclap death out of the blue like a heart attack or a stroke or an aneurysm.

The concept of "heart failure" is more abstract than it's more well-known emergency cousins.

Heart failure is essentially a chronic condition where the heart as a pump struggles to meet ongoing demand.

There are different types, but in general it's a problem with the actual musculature walls of the chambers of the heart and chronic changes to its chambers' architecture to respond to chronic inability to meet demands of filling chambers and pumping blood out.

There are types of cardiomyopathy directly related to alcohol use. It can also be caused by genetics, valvular heart disease, arrhythmias, etc.

Long story short, this was probably a Norm MacDonald situation. Jeff was probably experiencing symptoms for a long time and not telling anyone.

Symptoms include exteme fatigue, out of proportion exercise intolerance, swelling of the legs, shortness of breath, inability to sleep lying flat due to breathlessness, waking up in the middle of the night to sit up & catch your breath, preferring to sleep erect in a La-Z-Boy, etc.

Fluid retention becomes a major problem with congestive heart failure sufferers since their pump is broken. Even a single fastfood meal has enough sodium to put them in crisis and sent them to ER.

The fact that Jeff was still drinking whiskey & smoking cigars socially is not necessarily the cause of his early death. But it certainly implies he wasn't an ideal, compliant patient.
 
Man, that's disappointing. I saw that there wasn't a stream today and wondered what was up because he was very consistent with his schedule. I still watched him pretty regularly, especially for trials. He became my go-to channel for trial streams during the Brooks trial.

He started coming onto Nick's streams during Depp and I didn't find him too compelling at first. Then during the Darrell Brooks trial, Nick had started to visibly become a fuck-up compared to before. He would more often than not be late to start the trial streams by several hours and Legal Vices picked up the slack, hosting the trial on his channel until Nick could stumble into the studio and take over. It was clear Jeff was burning the candle at both ends for that, cutting his sleep dramatically. (Later on he found a way to stream trials around his work / time zone conflicts - he'd do the second half of the previous day slightly faster and able to skip lulls and then do the first half of the current day.) After starting to watch him on his own streams, I quickly came to quite like his commentary and the general atmosphere of his channel.

I'm glad he got to visit his family in Utah earlier this year.
 
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He started coming onto Nick's streams during Depp and I didn't find him too compelling at first. Then during the Darrell Brooks trial, Nick had started to visibly become a fuck-up compared to before. He would more often than not be late to start the trial streams by several hours and Legal Vices picked up the slack, hosting the trial on his channel until Nick could stumble into the studio and take over.

Jeff on Nick's tiny Depp panel and filling in for the Waukesha parade trial when Nick embarrassingly kept no-showing is how I remember Vices as well.

I unsubscribed to Jeff along with much of Lawtube when I felt he was still noseguarding too hard when Nick was spiraling but hadn't been arrested yet.

Jeff and Aussie Overlaw'd really did pick up a lot of the slack for that Darrell Brooks trial back when Nick started getting really unreliable.

That's probably the last trialstream I watched & enjoyed personally.
 
Long story short, this was probably a Norm MacDonald situation. Jeff was probably experiencing symptoms for a long time and not telling anyone.
What the fuck are you talking about? Norm had leukemia. He was treating it, even though he wasn't telling anyone about it. He didn't want his comedy to suffer from people viewing him as chemo boy.
 
It's still a little surprising to hear that Jeff suddenly died of heart failure.

Heart failure in general is a chronic fatal condition with a gradual decline much like emphysema. In general, it isn't a thunderclap death out of the blue like a heart attack or a stroke or an aneurysm.
Maybe it's the reporting that's wrong and he had a stroke/attack rather than failure? I can see someone mixing it up. It's megan fox.

this fucking sucks, I really liked Jeff's maritime stories and trial coverage.
I find him getting too sentimentally verbose way too often but that's just me. I just find someone getting emotional and weepy about a boat that sank 300 years ago weird.
 
What the fuck are you talking about? Norm had leukemia. He was treating it, even though he wasn't telling anyone about it.

I'm saying that Norm MacDonald is the seminal case of suffering in silence in modern times. His leukemia battle wasn't known by even those close to him.

If the Megan Fox tweet is accurate, Jeff may have been approaching his chronic, degenerative and fatal disease the same way by not telling the rest of Lawtube if he knew and was getting treated/suffering for years.

The Norm MacDonald analogy isn't about treatment or not, it's keeping a fatal disease secret until the very end.
 
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Maybe it's the reporting that's wrong and he had a stroke/attack rather than failure? I can see someone mixing it up. It's megan fox.


I find him getting too sentimentally verbose way too often but that's just me. I just find someone getting emotional and weepy about a boat that sank 300 years ago weird.
True that bitch do be retarded but as for Jeff and boats.....the guy just liked boats. But gonna miss him hope Dani and Mindset are okay as they were both close to Vices.
 
Out of the LawTubers, Vices seemed like a genuine cat. The fact that his expertise was in something that‘s practically arcane to Joe Q. Public, and somehow made it accessible, was a gift. I was not a regular watcher, but when I did see him, I knew I was in for some solid insight. Interesting dude with an interesting story.

May he rest in peace.
 
Vices may have talked about a lot of his life, but he had enough OpSec that his family, including his son, didn't know about his channel. Blessings be upon the Maritime Hat'd Old Man. Dude's maritime coverage was fantastic, and he had a very comfy 90s-radio vibe.
 
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