US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians

 

[Potatoherder]

This fight had to happen sooner or later and glad it making it clear to voters who their real enemy is: republicans. They always talk a big talk and when they get a chance to change anything they sabotage. You notice the debt talk didn't happen when they sent $200 billion to ukraine and trillions to trannies in the green new deal. Only when you get a trifecta and the white house do all the fags crawl all the woodwork to demand we cut all funding.

 

[Mr. Manchester]

Why not right now?

Up until now he's just been a shitty politician. I think Alex Stein bothered him in a hallway once but he didn't have a funny outburst or anything. He'd need to flip his shit a lot more for anyone to bother.

 

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Cry me a river, say ok or get the shutdown

And that's why they're butthurt. The right isn't supposed to offer alternatives, they sure as hell aren't supposed to reject the uniparty's governance by fiat and turn things around at them.

This was supposed to be "sign the pork or the country gets it" now it's "sign the lack of pork or your reputation gets it." And since they know Gingrich basically ended his career when the media manipulated things about the last time someone refused to sign a CR, they won't dare do anything other than bitch.

 

[Your Girlfriend's Dad]

So I've been going through the thread as I've been mostly afk for a few days. Can someone with some time on their hands give me a breakdown of the continuing resolution?

Basically: What was in it, did it get shot down, what does Johnson have to do with it, and what did they remove from it and what is left?

I've been playing catch up but it's making my head spin

 

[Candlelight Desolation]

So is there a deadline for something to get passed? Or will there be a shutdown at midnight?

 

[SneedleDee&SneedleDumb]

These are the fat fucks that drastically drive up the cost of healthcare.

A politically neutral take here, the sources of the cost of health care are (respectively):

1. medical supply companies
2. health insurance companies (in tandem with 1/3)
3. *edit cant spell->*pharmaceutical industry

There needs to be a profitability cap on all medical industry related companies from the top down. Everywhere else in the world a foot of surgical tubing will be $0.10 and in the States it will be $80.00. I was in a major wreck that required me to have facial reconstructive surgery along with a 5 month hospital stay; thankfully my father's insurance covered the whole thing, but seeing the invoice (all the way back in 2010) was staggering, to say the least, for the prices of every little thing. It is absurd that we have let the insurance and supply companies play (price)tag with each other for this long without any sort of federal mandates.

One of the very, very few positive things that my niggerfaggot loving state has EVER done legislatively was putting a profitability cap on dialysis clinics. Those clinics dumped millions into say no ad campaigns for months and months, instead of investing that money into the sanitation and procedures of their clinics.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

So is there a deadline for something to get passed? Or will there be a shutdown at midnight?

Midnight tomorrow apparently.

 

[close]

Hassan said it the best even though he's a faggot, "the hero is the guy that took his eye".

Anything Hassan says is faggotry of the highest degree, including this. Wanting to fuck twinks and get fucked by Israel is high tier cringe shit, but not grounds for bodily mutilation. Eyes don't grow back. That's horrific.

To be fair it gets hard to find shirts bigger then 2XL, unless you go for the really cheap George brand from Walmart or something. Those go up to 6XL, but they may not always be in stock.

Those guys are fat. Skill issue. I refuse to be fair.

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Burger suit.

 

[Candlelight Desolation]

Here is something from this year's legislative calendar for the House:



Today is the last day for the House to pass something. Whether they do or not remains to be seen.

 

[mandatorylurk]

This is why Trump went after Roy, the debt ceiling. He's always gotta talk about cutting back, which right now is helping democrats so he can be the reason things get hold up. Let it get raised under Joepedo, or make him veto, let it be on him and not Trump, because I guarantee they're going to be able to actually stop the bleeding in '26 in terms of spending. Because Roy is a follower of Meatball Conservatism, he never liked Trump, and will do what he can to make MAGA look bad so "real, darn tootin' tough conservatives can take over" and do nothing but get assblasted in elections. He'll also fund the military industrial complex all day long while bitching about others spending. Like always, the guy who wants 100% is worse than the guy who can get you 70%.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

So I've been going through the thread as I've been mostly afk for a few days. Can someone with some time on their hands give me a breakdown of the continuing resolution?

Basically: What was in it, did it get shot down, what does Johnson have to do with it, and what did they remove from it and what is left?

I've been playing catch up but it's making my head spin

The original CR had a fuckton of pork in it. Elon and Vivek said what everyone was thinking out loud and that helped push for revisions. The jury is still out on whether Johnson was playing upside-down, 4D Hungry Hungry Hippos or if he is a douche. My guess is a little of column A, a little of column B. It doesn't matter what is or isn't in the new bill right now because the House rejected it anyway. Now it's just a matter of who will blink first on a government shutdown. Democrats historically win this game of chicken, so I'm not holding my breath.

 

[GamerGateSurvivor]

This is why Trump went after Roy, the debt ceiling. He's always gotta talk about cutting back, which right now is helping democrats so he can be the reason things get hold up. Let it get raised under Joepedo, or make him veto, let it be on him and not Trump, because I guarantee they're going to be able to actually stop the bleeding in '26 in terms of spending. Because Roy is a follower of Meatball Conservatism, he never liked Trump, and will do what he can to make MAGA look bad so "real, darn tootin' tough conservatives can take over" and do nothing but get assblasted in elections. He'll also fund the military industrial complex all day long while bitching about others spending. Like always, the guy who wants 100% is worse than the guy who can get you 70%.

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This kinda highlights one of my big gripes with the GOP in general. They'll talk a lot of shit when their "opposition" is in charge and introduce bills they know will never get passed. But when they're in charge and they're threatened with the possibility of success, it's like they curl up into the fetal position and shit themselves while crying.

 

[AnitaSarsleezian]

Hope Crenshaw loses his other eye. I fucking hate that guy.

Name checks out.

 

[shekelshoah666]

This kinda highlights one of my big gripes with the GOP in general. They'll talk a lot of shit when their "opposition" is in charge and introduce bills they know will never get passed. But when they're in charge and they're threatened with the possibility of success, it's like they curl up into the fetal position and shit themselves while crying.

Yep if this was Biden or Obama or whoever trying to get same bill passed it's already done. There is strategy to raising the debt ceiling now vs later. If you do it now you only need 50 senators and you don't have to try and work with Schumer and co but if you wait you will need 60 senators and have to give all kinds of bullshit out to get that done.

Debt ceiling is going to be raised at some point no matter what but "Principled" people like Massie and Roy will happily give dems a win months from now. Not raising it doesn't mean you will default it means you just have less money for shit like immigration and if you want to deport millions you need money.

 

[FieldPiece]

A politically neutral take here, the sources of the cost of health care are (respectively):

1. medical supply companies
2. health insurance companies (in tandem with 1/3)
3. *edit cant spell->*pharmaceutical industry

There needs to be a profitability cap on all medical industry related companies from the top down. Everywhere else in the world a foot of surgical tubing will be $0.10 and in the States it will be $80.00. I was in a major wreck that required me to have facial reconstructive surgery along with a 5 month hospital stay; thankfully my father's insurance covered the whole thing, but seeing the invoice (all the way back in 2010) was staggering, to say the least, for the prices of every little thing. It is absurd that we have let the insurance and supply companies play (price)tag with each other for this long without any sort of federal mandates.

One of the very, very few positive things that my niggerfaggot loving state has EVER done legislatively was putting a profitability cap on dialysis clinics. Those clinics dumped millions into say no ad campaigns for months and months, instead of investing that money into the sanitation and procedures of their clinics.

This is one of the few cases where I'll agree with leftoids. Healthcare is not a normal market condition. And treating it like it is simply results in insane price increases for the customer. Unlike most industries healthcare is not a commodity in many cases it's life or death.

The problem in general is health insurance as a concept. I don't want privatized or governmental insurance. I want no fucking middle man or as miniscule a one as possible. There are multiple ways to solve this. A return of friendly societies where individual people pool their resources together and basically get a retainer for doctors to treat anyone who contributes. A membership program where you simply go to your local hospital and pay a subscription fee monthly to have full coverage.

The problem with for profit healthcare is it is the living embodiment of "money is the root of all evil". Medical people are like mechanics now, what are mechanics notorious for? Finding problems that don't exist, patchjobs that ensure the problem will rise up again, or straight up creating problems. If your money is made fixing problems you create a perverse incentive that a decent minority will seize upon to create more problems.

 

[tehpope]

The problem with for profit healthcare is it is the living embodiment of "money is the root of all evil". Medical people are like mechanics now, what are mechanics notorious for? Finding problems that don't exist, patchjobs that ensure the problem will rise up again, or straight up creating problems. If your money is made fixing problems you create a perverse incentive that a decent minority will seize upon to create more problems.

That sounds like Microsoft lol.

 

[The Ugly One]

Unlike most industries healthcare is not a commodity in many cases it's life or death.

No, modern health care is primarily a luxury good that does very little to actually save lives. The vast majority of health care spending consists of throwing piles of money at people the Reaper is coming for regardless of what you do.

The reason it keeps getting more expensive is we keep trying to make it infinitely available by adding more and more layers of managers. Obamacare just added a couple more layers of managers with the expected results.

Sincee we don't accept our own mortality or the finitude of the world's resources, every 10-20 years, we'll add some more layers of managers in the quest for cheap immortality.

 

[Dracula's Spirit Animal]

36 million and change in the 2021 census. IIrc, something like 90% of the population is now located inside the red circle and Vancouver.
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I think estimates are we gained approximately a million a year since then, so 39ish million. Then with visas and residence permits, I've read the physical population (citizens and non-citizens) is around 44 million. Trudeau damaged the Canadian demographic worse than the shit coming through the US southern border has done to the US.

 

[SneedleDee&SneedleDumb]

@FieldPiece I can't quote your last post, looks like the Jan-Jans are sweeping up preemptively for taking a left stance. But I do agree with you, to a degree, the lefties always have plans that don't hold water economically. My hypothesis on the shortcomings of the smaller community resources to be pooled for a doctor is it would be a by individual necessity basis, which would leave little option to have a medical team to be outsourced, travel to the township, have the supplies needed for the ailment, and complete procedures that need to be done on command at a reasonable timeframe. I feel like it would be a no services available for emergencies situation, and a not often visit from medical teams. Even if the supplies and medication were at a reasonable price, having a hospital paid for by the locals seems improbable to me. The lefties usually cry for our tax dollars to pay for universal health care, without taking into account the absurdly high cost that would be for each individual community who would be taxed for their hospitals to be staffed and operational. I am not wording this articulately at all; I hope you get my argument.

There could still be insurance companies, and the feds wouldn't have to control the operations or innerworkings of the industry, I'm just saying they should be the authority for imposing only the profitability cap, also shouldn't be allowed to impose taxes on it to begin with. If they charged as much as the rest of the world does for supplies and medicine, then it would be more than reasonably affordable for people near the poverty line.

If you look at your next medical invoice intently and compare it to a similar foreign one, you can parse where the cost becomes unreasonable.

Then again, I am about as dense and bright as a black hole, so I could be schizo babbling rn for all I know

 

[George Lucas]

I think estimates are we gained approximately a million a year since then, so 39ish million. Then with visas and residence permits, I've read the physical population (citizens and non-citizens) is around 44 million. Trudeau damaged the Canadian demographic worse than the shit coming through the US southern border has done to the US.

My experience of Canada is that it is basically a giant trailer park. Even the nice parts of Canada felt like white trash that made it.